QUESTION 1 for YOU - IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS is GOD

[nothead]

Yes at times - but Nomad is an interesting specimen Nothead - he's been around the block a few times; here is what he will do. He starts out with a little "egeneto" then a bit of "ginomai" and all of a sudden you are in this little boat with him, amidst a stormy sea of Greek (which he loves!) and not once will you ever seen him actually deal with the context - he's a jot and tittle man!

The reality is what he will make of "ho logos sarx egeneto" is to infer ONE who left his heavenly splendour to descend into an infinitely lesser life though ask him to provide these psychological explanations or devotional reflections from the Word, and you will get Phil and Col references, which as we known have already been explained and expounded clearly for all to see.

His Christology will not be based on Pauls "Last Adam" and "New Creation" teaching,but yes you guessed it, CREEDS - though he's not keen to go down that path either - its a denial thing he has going on!

Otherwise if you like to play Greek its a good game.

Like de lime wit de coconut, drink it all up...hey gotta respect a man who can rationalize you around a corner...

just like the later Greek ECF'S who formulated the later Creeds. Took the WHOLE WORLD and made it upside down.

Rather TOOK THE WHOLE GOD OF US and made HIM THREE.

Actually Nothead Paul says it 4 times. Observe:

Col 1:18

1. And he is the head of the body, the church.

2. He is the beginning,

3. the firstborn from the dead,

4. that in everything he might be preeminent.

So you're right it's possible, possible, possible, possible.

Your numero uno must correlate with 1 Cor 11

[SIZE=.75em]3 [/SIZE]But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

I don't have a problem with pre-eminence, your eminence, until he governs up to God. Hint: he don't.

 

[Purity]

Actually Nothead Paul says it 4 times. Observe:

Col 1:18

1. And he is the head of the body, the church.

2. He is the beginning,

3. the firstborn from the dead,

4. that in everything he might be preeminent.

So you're right it's possible, possible, possible, possible.

So lets reflect on these 4 points:

1. So his life is the first of many lives.
2. He has a beginning which Yahweh does not.
3. His existence is from the dead
4. Yes preeminent not pre-existent.

Acts 13:33 "this day have I begotten (Fathered) thee"

The psalm presents this declaration as a prophecy to be expressed at the Lord's inauguration as "king upon the holy hill of Zion." This regal elevation is only possible of one who was "made strong" for Yahweh (Psa 80:17), and who perfectly manifested the divine character in flesh (John 1:14), and was thus saved out of death to be granted divine nature (Heb 5:7, where Psa 2:7 is also cited).

1. What day did God Father Jesus?
2. Who made him strong?
3. Whose character did he manifest?
4. Who saved him from death?

Paul cites Psa 2:7 to show that the divine sonship of the Lord is proved beyond doubt by his begettal and resurrection (Luk 1:35; Rom 1:4; Col 1:18). See Paul's other references to Psalm 2 (Heb 1:5; Heb 5:5).

Nomad, you are without excuse in not understanding Pauls "New Creation" in Christ Jesus; in fact I would say this is salvic knowledge and to deny it is at ones own peril.

P.

 

[StanJ]

Oddly you provided nothing at all which supports your Triad god.
Interest is waning...


God is! He doesn't become, made, newly created, begotten, born....God is Stan! He is beyond a beginning and an end!

Denial and failing to see the truth in scripture does not make one right.

Again your denial and failure to see the truth in John 1:14 is the ONLY thing in evidence.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Purity]

Cont...

Nomad, you are without excuse in not understanding Pauls "New Creation" in Christ Jesus; in fact I would say this is salvic knowledge and to deny it is at ones own peril.

You have been warned before many moons ago and still to this day with all your knowledge you do not know the One true God of Israel. The context of Acts 13:33 is found in the verse leading to it. The Apostles "proclaimed" to their brothers the Good News about the promise to there ancestors - which "promise" Yahweh had fulfilled!

Nowhere is Hypostasis the subject of promise - not one OT scripture!

"God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children" - The Greek ekpeplepoken indicates "completely fulfilled." Through the Jews who unwittingly fulfilled the prophecies concerning the Lord Jesus, God fulfilled His promise to the very letter (Acts 13:27, 29).

"in that He (Yahweh) hath raised up Jesus again" - The word "raised" is anastesas (from anistemi, "again to stand up; raise up again"), and refers to the unique begettal through the power of the Spirit (Heb 1:5). The lit. Greek is "He raised up again Jesus." This relates to the promise given to the fathers (Act 13:32), of a Seed who would "confirm the promises" given them (Rom 15:4).

Paul develops the principle of God's work through His Son (Act 13:23), leading to his resurrection in Acts 13:34.

Where he became the firstborn from the dead.

P.

 

[RANDOR]

Ok....ok...ok..........we got it...Jesus isn't God................I quess that's what makes your society believe in all this.
Got Cult written all over it.
Now there is some things in here that Christians shouldn't do also........but cha get the point

141 Things Jehovah Witnesses Can’t Do

141 Rules. Things Jehovah’s Witnesses Can’t Do.
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers. Disagree
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses. Disagree
3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary. Disagree
4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required Disagree
5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings Disagree
6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct. Disagree
7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines. Disagree
8.Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return Disagree
9.Join the armed forces and defend their country Disagree
10.Say the Pledge of Allegiance Disagree
11.Salute the flag Disagree
12.Vote Disagree
13.Run for leadership in their organization. (JW’s are ‘appointed’ and invited to be leaders.) Disagree
14.Run for leadership in any organization 15.Take a stand for any political issue inside their organization Disagree
16.Take a stand on any political or ‘worldly’ issue outside of their organization Disagree
17.Campaign for a political candidate Disagree
18.Hold political office Disagree
19.Discuss politics Disagree
20.Be a union steward or shop steward Disagree
21.Actively be involved in a union strike Disagree
22.Use a gun for protection against humans Disagree
23.Become a police officer if a gun is required Disagree
24.Wear military uniforms or clothing associated with war Disagree
25.Take yoga classes and practice the discipline of yoga. Agree
26.Smoke tobacco and cigars 27.Work full time selling tobacco and cigars Your Choice
28.Attend Alcoholics Anonymous Agree
29.Donate blood Disagree
30.Have blood transfusions Disagree
31.Read books, magazines, publications, and literature from other religions. Disagree
32.Buy anything from a church store Disagree
33.Buy something at a church garage sale Disagree
34.Donate items to a church run store Disagree
35.Shop at the Salvation Army Disagree
36.Work for the Salvation Army Disagree
37.Work for another church Disagree
38.Play competitive sports on a school team Disagree
39.Play competitive sports professionally Disagree
40.Run for class president Disagree
41.Become a cheerleader Disagree
42.Go to the school prom or school dance. Disagree
43.Attend class reunions Disagree
44.Be hypnotized Agree
45.Accept Jesus as their mediator Disagree
46.Join the Boy Scouts Disagree
47.Join the Girl Guides Disagree
48.Join the YMCA Disagree
49.Serve on jury duty Disagree
50.Study psychology, philosophy, sociology, and viewpoints that might shake their faith Disagree
51.Attend other Christian churches Disagree
52.Attend nondenominational churches Disagree
53.Attend non Christian churches Agree
54.Get married in another church Disagree
55.Dating non believers is discouraged.....some what Agree
56.Casual dating is discouraged Disagree
57.Dating someone without the intent of getting married Disagree
58.Having sex before marriage Agree
59.Breaking an engagement, separation, and ‘unscriptural’ divorce may result in disciplinary action HUH?????
60.Marriage to non believers is not recommended Agree
61.Be gay or lesbian. Homosexuality is not acceptable. Agree
62.Throw rice at a wedding Disagree
63.Get divorced unless the reason is adultery Agree
64.Can’t remarry unless their ex commits fornication first HUH??
65.Toast drinks Disagree
66.Buy a raffle ticket Disagree
67.Play bingo Disagree
68.Gamble Agree
69.Sing any holiday songs Disagree
70.Sing the National Anthem. Disagree
71.Celebrate Christmas – Why? Disagree
72.Celebrate New Years Eve – Why?
73.Celebrate Easter – Why? Disagree
74.Celebrate Mother’s Day – Why? Good Freakin Grief are you kiddin me! Disagree, Disagree, Disagree
75.Celebrate Father’s Day Disagree
76.Celebrate birthdays – Why? Disagree
77.Celebrate Thanksgiving Disagree
78.Celebrate Flag Day Disagree
79.Celebrate Veteran’s Day Disagree
80.Celebrate Independence Day. Why? Disagree
81.Celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day Disagree
82.Celebrate Valentine’s Day Disagree
83.Celebrate Halloween – Why? Since I've been born again I do agree with this..
84.Celebrate Hanukkah
85.Accept holiday gifts – Why? Disagree
86.Celebrate any holiday except the death of Jesus – Why? Disagree
87.Partake in the bread and wine that represents Christ unless they are part of the 144,000 Disagree
88.Make holiday artwork for school Disagree
89.Engage in holiday parties at school Disagree
90.Take on a leadership role in school Disagree
91.Porneia What?
92.Do suggestive and immodest dancing in a public place Agree
93.Attend a class, workshop, or seminar, sponsored by another church 94.Attend social events or fund raisers sponsored by another church Disagree
95.Use of bad language (curse words) is discouraged Agree
96.Wear blue jeans, shorts, and overly casual clothing at the Kingdom Hall. See Dress Code Disagree
97.Wear pants at a Kingdom Hall if you’re a woman Disagree
98.Wear revealing clothes or skirts that are too short (looked down upon) Agree
99.Wear long hair or facial hair if you’re a man (depends on the local customs of the country you live in) Disagree
100.Body piercing are discouraged Agree
101.Tattoos are discouraged Agree....but I don't condem them
102.State or imply that the Watchtower is not run by Jehovah God. Man made, man thought
103.Have discussions and express Bible based viewpoints that contradict the organization’s beliefs Disagree
104.Say anything negative about their organization. JW’s must ‘speak in agreement’ and be ‘like-minded’. Disagree
105.Consider other religious beliefs as valid and truthful. Disagree
106.Acknowledge any prayer spoken by a non believer as valid Disagree
107.Take another Jehovah’s Witness to court (with exceptions) Same goes for us Christians
108.Wear or own a cross Now this is just plain stupid Disagree
109.Own any religious picture Disagree
110.Own any religious statue Disagree
111.Engage in idolatry Agree
112.Believe in miracles (except those found in the Bible) Disagree
113.Believe in ghosts Agree
114.Witchcraft Agree
115.Black magic Agree
116.White magic Agree
117.Consult with a psychic or become one Agree
118.Study tarot cards, get a reading or give a reading Agree
119.Study numerology or get a reading Agree
120.Dabble in ESP (extrasensory perception), dowsing, or divination Agree
121.Use a tool such as a pendulum to access information from the spiritual realm Agree
122.Attempt to communicate with departed spirits. Agree
123.Attend a seance Agree
124.Believe in good luck or say things such as ‘Good luck to you’. Why?
125.Believe or say anything superstitious
126.Prophesy Disagree
127.Speaking in tongues Disagree
128.Laying on of hands Disagree
129.Energy healing such as Reiki Disagree
130.Read their horoscope Agree
131.Study astrology or zodiac signs Agree
132.Combat training, boxing, or martial arts
133.Go to heaven unless they are part of the 144,000 Disagree
134.Worship Jesus as God Disagree
135.Idolize any celebrity or love and admire them to excess Agree
136.Women can’t be elders Disagree
137.Women can’t be ministerial servants (assistants to the elders) Disagree
138.Divulge secret information to enemies and those not entitled to know. HUH?
139.Greet or talk with disfellowshipped persons (with some exceptions) Disagree
140.Associate with disfellowshipped persons except for immediate family living in the same house Disagree
141.Keep secrets from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules Disagree

Five More Things Jehovah’s Witnesses Can’t Do.
1.Women cannot assume the role of a male and instruct the congregation.Disagree
2.A woman should not pray in the presence of a baptized male JW. Disagree
3.Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t be part of this world. They must be separate from the world 4.They can’t believe anything former Jehovah’s Witnesses say, – even if it’s factual.
5.Unless they’re an Elder, Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t read this book, – ‘Shepherd the Flock of God’
(ref: The JehovahWitnesses.org)
If someone can provide me with a list of Things Jehovah Witnesses CAN DO, I’d be very grateful. Seems to me Jehovah Witnesses lives are controlled completely by The Watchtower Society/Governing Body – made up of all men by the way (as a side note). In fact all the churches were comparing on this blog have leaders who are made up of all men! Huh… something to ponder! I don’t have an ax to grind with men, just making a point.

So who cares if you think Jesus isn't God......
But since you do.............then all these other silly beliefs follow.

No Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE from such bondage...thank You Jesus

 

[Purity]

Randor that post was in incoherent meltdown.
Deal with the Scripture!

By the way Acts 28:22 to apply

"to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect" Gr. haireseos, a choosing; hence a division and forming of a party. It comes from a root signifying, "to take to oneself."

The word is rendered "heresy" in Act 24:14

Like you it was said of the Apostle Paul

 

[RANDOR]

Ha..........I've already delt with the scriptures........years ago..........I see the scriptures are dealing with you and are rearranging you from
the inside out.
Let me get this straight.........you want me to believe as you.........well then......I would be living in hell before my time.

Carry on.....
you speak i speak we all speak

God Bless † Does that cross bother you? If satan runs from it why do you join him?

Ask Jesus into your heart and end all this nonsense

 

[Purity]

Ha..........I've already delt with the scriptures........years ago..........I see the scriptures are dealing with you and are rearranging you from
the inside out.
Let me get this straight.........you want me to believe as you.........well then......I would be living in hell before my time.

Carry on.....
you speak i speak we all speak

God Bless † Does that cross bother you? If satan runs from it why do you join him?

Ask Jesus into your heart and end all this nonsense

You as I have much to learn from that which can make us wise unto salvation.
P.

 

[RANDOR]

Sir............I'm always willing to learn...I learn everyday...............But..I'm already saved....been saved........don't need to get saved again.

Ya see..........like I've been trying to tell ya.......in between your scriptures

All it took was asking Jesus into my life...on a cold winters night.

I didn't know any scriptures...and He showed up....as He has with thousands.

It's REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ya don't have to use scriptures to hope it's real.

I know all there is to know about salvation..............It's Free................when its asked for.

You are doing a good job for the jw's.....they would be very proud of you.

I'm sure as a heart attack..................I speak from knowing..........not as one who is still searching

 

[Floyd]

Randor that post was in incoherent meltdown.
Deal with the Scripture!

By the way Acts 28:22 to apply

"to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect" Gr. haireseos, a choosing; hence a division and forming of a party. It comes from a root signifying, "to take to oneself."

The word is rendered "heresy" in Act 24:14

Like you it was said of the Apostle Paul

Purity, on 24 May 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:
Purity, on 24 May 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:
Purity, on 24 May 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:

If only you had 39 books to support your notions but you haven't one.

I only need one; The Bible!

It states clearly that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; which is where your apostasy is!
Watching your weasel words is like reading Gen..and Satan's words to Eve; "surely thou shalt not die"!
Ahh. but of course; you don't believe in Satan do you?
That means he never tempted Eve!
That means in your "theology" God introduced temptation and evil!???
That of course would not hold water! So where now your theology?

You say you "praise God regularly"; that means (if you tell the truth), that you "worship in spirit and in truth ( Jhn.4:23-24), unless the "one" you worship, is one of those that Jesus warned would be evident (false Christ's).
You said in an earlier post that you treat the Holy Spirit in the same way as Christ Jesus; ie deny their Deity!
In that case; you cannot "worship in spirit and in truth"; as "God is Spirit"!???
Floyd.

Lets see if you will answer this simple question:

From Purity:
“Through death” he has triumphed over Sin and Death.

In other words he has “put away sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Heb. 9:26).

From Floyd.
You have quoted Scripture above; but not explained it, by not quoting all.
This was ever Satan's way.
You say Jesus is/was (you change from time to time), a man only; but raised to "Son" status by His obedience; yes?
Scripture says; Jesus was pre-existent, and of the Godhead; who's right, you or the Bible?
Oh. before I forget, would you please answer my other points; which are from your statements and teaching in the last few weeks.
I am sure all the people her would love to see them answered!
Floyd.

PS: only the gullible here would give you any credence after your recent refusals to answer!
My concern is for the damage you will do in your lifetime; especially as you say you are a teacher!

Right Mr hypocrite : lets see you deal with your own Scriptures: in answering your own teachings above!!!!!!!!!!
Floyd.

 

[Purity]

Sir............I'm always willing to learn...I learn everyday...............But..I'm already saved....been saved........don't need to get saved again.

Ah yes the already saved doctrine - dangerous and presumptuous Randor.

Personally I like how the Scripture frames this work:

Act 2:47 praising God and having the good will of all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number every day those who were being saved.

i.e. "Those who were being saved." The power of the Truth was operating in their lives, bringing them "towards" salvation.

Seems like you are still learning Randor.

 

[RANDOR]

Ah yes the already saved doctrine - dangerous and presumptuous Randor.

Personally I like how the Scripture frames this work:

Act 2:47 praising God and having the good will of all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number every day those who were being saved.

i.e. "Those who were being saved." The power of the Truth was operating in their lives, bringing them "towards" salvation.

Seems like you are still learning Randor.

My pleasure..............ya see.................the scriptures the watchtower has been shoving down its followers.....and turning their brains to mush....actually very intellegent brains....
The scriptures you are looking for is plural here Purity.........it's all the scriptures
You know them............you've memorized them...................but.......................you have removed the power...the power of those scriptures.
You've turned them into mere words..... writings on a piece of paper, something to look at....to ponder.....but with no action...far far away from being a new creation in Christ. Not even close.
It's ment for you to experience that power....not just read about it.

So i will answer your question once again..............and for as long as it takes....

If and only when....you lay down and deny yourself......and sincerely ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins......only then will the scriptures be seen how we (Born Again Christians) see them. Better yet..............HOW WE KNOW THEM

We experience the scriptures....and yes, Purity...........we love them as much as you.

We let the scriptures work in our lives..........not against us....as satan usually tries to achieve.

And yes Purity.........you are right............I'm always learning................but now with a decerning spirit...

THE ONE YA KNOW....................WHO TESTS THE WATERS SO TO SPEAK. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God will always have in me a word for you Purity
I will show you God..............but....if you want to keep on telling me about Him...that's ok to.

Because i love my savior so much I could talk to you about Him..........till I take my last breath.

I will alway share His love.....................for He changed/saved/rescued/took hold/ of my life.

He sure loves you...................let Him.

 

[Purity]

My pleasure..............ya see.................the scriptures the watchtower has been shoving down its followers.....and turning their brains to mush....actually very intellegent brains....
The scriptures you are looking for is plural here Purity.........it's all the scriptures
You know them............you've memorized them...................but.......................you have removed the power...the power of those scriptures.
You've turned them into mere words..... writings on a piece of paper, something to look at....to ponder.....but with no action...far far away from being a new creation in Christ. Not even close.
It's ment for you to experience that power....not just read about it.

So i will answer your question once again..............and for as long as it takes....

If and only when....you lay down and deny yourself......and sincerely ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins......only then will the scriptures be seen how we (Born Again Christians) see them. Better yet..............HOW WE KNOW THEM

We experience the scriptures....and yes, Purity...........we love them as much as you.

We let the scriptures work in our lives..........not against us....as satan usually tries to achieve.

And yes Purity.........you are right............I'm always learning................but now with a decerning spirit...

THE ONE YA KNOW....................WHO TESTS THE WATERS SO TO SPEAK. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God will always have in me a word for you Purity
I will show you God..............but....if you want to keep on telling me about Him...that's ok to.

Because i love my savior so much I could talk to you about Him..........till I take my last breath.

I will alway share His love.....................for He changed/saved/rescued/took hold/ of my life.

He sure loves you...................let Him.

I am growing fond of your exuberant posts
Love is a wonderful thing to behold isn't it Randor?
The fact that a God has chosen to take a people for his name to manifest Himself to others who also need Him and His Son.
Of course the love which you may infer may not be the love you require...if you get my drift?
In fact the love of Christ should constrain us ought it not? in how we speak, behave, and deal with our neighbour.

Take the Masters view of the eccklesia at Laodicea (latter day type of believers) Rev 3:19

"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten"

Is this the type of love you seek Randor?

Its the exhortation of Heb 12:5-12 isn't it?

Yahweh treats members of Ecclesias as wise parents who will discipline their sons. As they will rebuke and chasten their children when it is needful, so also does God.

But with Him it is done not only "in love" Randor, but in wisdom, and to the ultimate benefit of His chastened children. Do you accept this in faith Randor? that He knows what is best for your spiritual development right now, and do you respond accordingly, in a manner well pleasing to Him? I am not your judge! But there is one who is - The Word of God.

Jesus continues by saying, "Be zealous therefore, and repent" - Jesus wants us to heat up their ardour for the things of His Truth, and to repent, or change their thinking and attitude.

Attitude cannot be changed without suffering.

P.

 

[Floyd]

Purity to Randor;
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten"

From Floyd.

You have more than chastening coming to you for your corruption of God's word;
Your denial of Christ's Deity;
Your denial of the Deity of the Holy Spirit;
ETC.
Floyd.

[SIZE=26pt]Satan’s people: (Rev. 14;9-12).[/SIZE]


[SIZE=14pt]It is not an exaggeration to say this is probably the most profound warning in the whole of Scripture, which is delivered by the third angel. ([/SIZE]We must remember that these messengers are being heard by all mankind, verse 6[SIZE=14pt]!) The following warning given is so profoundly strong and uncompromising, that most readers shrink from accepting its clear message. However, we know that all Scripture is from the Holy Spirit (2 Tim. 3:16.) The severity of the warning does not at first glance seem to accord with The Almighty God of Love. However; when properly and prayerfully perceived, it becomes clear that even at this extreme stage of evil (adherence to Satan,) that has by then been reached, merciful Jehovah Zabeoth has given a [/SIZE]last warning to the people of earth[SIZE=14pt]. After that warning, there is no way of escape! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]At this present moment in time it is very easy for people to escape future judgment and damnation, by accepting in Truth in their hearts (innermost being,) that Jesus Christ died for their sin, on The Cross, at Calvary, outside the walls of Jerusalem, approx. 2000 years ago, but that acceptance of Jesus and His sacrifice must be sincere, and not just a verbal comment![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]That sacrifice, which is acceptable to Jehovah God, IS THE ULTIMATE, BECAUSE CHRIST ON THE CROSS WAS GOD INCARNATE! Once this offered gift of salvation (being made whole) is removed, the way to Salvation and God becomes much harder, as is being shown in Rev.14. Once the warning of V.9-12 are given there are only TWO OPTIONS open to mankind.
1) Be for Jehovah Zebaoth and Christ;
2) Serve Satan, receive his mark and worship him.
[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Once the second option is taken men and women will be seen as they truly are for the first time (tares,) with no subterfuge, disguise or other ways of covering their true identity. They are children of Satan, and TOTALLY unredeemable, and will receive the same punishment reserved for Satan and his angels eventually. As one third of Heaven’s angels fall under the guile, lies and deceit of Satan, so will countless human beings. The torment that they will have to endure for “an Age,” (v 11 translates correctly as an "Age time," not for "ever and ever" as per AV. Strongs number 165 has the statement "especially a Jewish Messianic period", which clearly points to the punishment being for the duration of the Millennial. That corresponds with Rev. 20:10 which shows that Satan and his are consigned to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone at the end of Millennial,) has turned many good men and women from studying these verses. They must be understood in the context of Satan's totally perverse rebellion against THE ONE TRUE LOVING GOD, whose purpose in the defeat of Satan is only to prove HIS GREAT LOVE for HIS created beings, (see notes in Revelationsmessage Chp 12:V.12 a) b) c,) and to deal with the "mystery of iniquity!" (2Thess. 2:7.)[/SIZE]

 

[Purity]

Floyd

You missed a thread http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/20119-god-manifested-in-the-flesh/page-5

P.

 

[RANDOR]

I am growing fond of your exuberant posts
Love is a wonderful thing to behold isn't it Randor?
The fact that a God has chosen to take a people for his name to manifest Himself to others who also need Him and His Son.
Of course the love which you may infer may not be the love you require...if you get my drift?
In fact the love of Christ should constrain us ought it not? in how we speak, behave, and deal with our neighbour.

Take the Masters view of the eccklesia at Laodicea (latter day type of believers) Rev 3:19

"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten"

Is this the type of love you seek Randor?

Its the exhortation of Heb 12:5-12 isn't it?

Yahweh treats members of Ecclesias as wise parents who will discipline their sons. As they will rebuke and chasten their children when it is needful, so also does God.

But with Him it is done not only "in love" Randor, but in wisdom, and to the ultimate benefit of His chastened children. Do you accept this in faith Randor? that He knows what is best for your spiritual development right now, and do you respond accordingly, in a manner well pleasing to Him? I am not your judge! But there is one who is - The Word of God.

Jesus continues by saying, "Be zealous therefore, and repent" - Jesus wants us to heat up their ardour for the things of His Truth, and to repent, or change their thinking and attitude.

Attitude cannot be changed without suffering.

P.

Sorry...but cha lost me on the chastening thing.
Hmmmmmmmm...maybe I'm not reading that right.....Duh...thats me for ya
But if ya think i'm angry....nooooooooooooo! I'm angry at the devil for taking such a smart man as yourself and making him living life with no power...the power Jesus has given us.

You say attitude cannot be changed without suffering......

We are all suffering without Christ.....actually been there done that........but don't suffer anymore....don't like suffering.

That went all away when I gave my life to Christ......and my attitude..........now is BOLD Bold for Christ.

No wavering, no doubting, sure footed, exact, placed on solid ground.

Can't be moved, swayed or talked into the lies from which I was delivered.

The life Jesus has had planned for you Purity..........when are you ever going to take hold of it?

I work in construction..........actuall all of my life.......in the past seven years ......have seen many construction workers that have given their lives to Christ....some you would of thought would of never done such a thing.

They can't shut up about Jesus........and what He has done in their lives. Actually many were satan worshippers.

Like I said....I'm timid compared to most born again Christians.

I'm doing my best....as so are you.

 

[nothead]

This exuberance is really the Circumcision of the Heart channeled. The JUMP and the LEAP to do Shema, love God with all.

When we channel it, and know for what purpose it is, we are no longer the calf leaping in front of her mother for no other reason than sheer love of new life...

...for at some point or other God requires sacrifice, as He did his most beloved son.

Purity to Randor;
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten"

From Floyd.

You have more than chastening coming to you for your corruption of God's word;
Your denial of Christ's Deity;
Your denial of the Deity of the Holy Spirit;
ETC.
Floyd.

mystery of iniquity!" (2Thess. 2:7.)

Purity to Randor;
"As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten"

From Floyd.

You have more than chastening coming to you for your corruption of God's word;
Your denial of Christ's Deity;
Your denial of the Deity of the Holy Spirit;
ETC.
Floyd.

mystery of iniquity!" (2Thess. 2:7.)

What is the Mark of the Beast put upon one's forehead, and hand?

Well, what did God originally SAY to put there? All Jews great and small know it is the Shema, to know first God is One.

Rev 14 has now TWO written there, so what can this mean, God is One, but there are two referents now on our foreheads??

Most would say the ONE is a "one" of unity. No, ECHAD is a "one" of number. One referent is GOD and one the glorified man, Selah.

So then what is the Mark of the Beast put on forehead and hand? I may not know EXACTLY what would be there, but I know what is SUPPOSED to be there.

 

[RANDOR]

God requires a sacrifice...in todays age?...............I certainly hope not.......Yikes!!!!!!!!
Obedience is better than sacrifice.......
Jesus sacrificed it all for me and you at the cross....................it is finished

 

[nothead]

God requires a sacrifice...in todays age?...............I certainly hope not.......Yikes!!!!!!!!
Obedience is better than sacrifice.......
Jesus sacrificed it all for me and you at the cross....................it is finished

Did I say TEMPLE sacrifice? Yeah, you got a fav dog?

It is finished for Jesus as far as what he had to do. Not for me and you, bud. Hear, bud? Brother?

Covenant is tow away, I mean two way. And God doesn't JUDGE you for what He did. OR his son.

 

[Nomad]

Isa 42:8 I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

Isa 48:11 For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.



God says here very clearly that he will not give his glory to another. This poses an insurmountable problem for the anti-trinitarian.



John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.



If Jesus was merely an exalted creature as some anti-trinitarians would have it, and not God incarnate, then his request is blasphemous. This Jesus would be a lunatic or a liar and certainly couldn't be anyone's savior. John 17:5, Isa. 42:8 & 48:11 leave us with only two options. Jesus is God or Jesus is a liar or lunatic. John tells us which it is.



John 1:1 ...and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us...