QUESTION 1 for YOU - IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS is GOD
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Well I can promise you one thing. You won't be laughing too long. Your tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.findingmyfaith1 said:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.~Isaiah 9:6
KJV study notes*
The Gift-Child in this passage is the same divine Child as Immanuel. Again, using the prophetic perfect, the prophet sees Him as though He were already born. Wonderful, Counselor is actually one term in Hebrew. A wonder is indicative of a miracle. Counselor is often used in parallel with king(cf.Mic.4:9). Thus miraculous counsel is given by this God-like King. The mighty God(El Gibor)is the strongest if these titles. In Isaiah, El is always used of God and never refers to man. Gibor means "Hero". Together they describe One who is indeed God Himself. Everlasting Father literally means Father of Eternity. He alone is the source of eternal life. Prince of Peace indicates that the mighty God will be a benevolent ruler bringing eternal peace on earth through the establishment of His kingdom. Thus the obscure figure of Immanuel is now brought to clear light: He is Himself God incarnate!
Mighty warrior, Godlike king...Mr.Bride said:
...wow he must be God, wait the Father is God wait God is one, wait they are both God, no wait this don't make sense the Father is God only amen.
nothead said:
Isaiah does not say Jesus himself will be Mighty God--it says his name will be called Mighty God--a big difference--it was not calling Jesus--Mighty God--just his name.
There is a lot of proof Jesus is Michael.Angelina said:
DPMartin said:
John 1:1--- In the beginning, the word was and the word was with HO THEOS, and the word was Theos----
Reality--Ho Theos is the one true almighty God--THEOS--means a small g--not calling the word the almighty God---just godlike--has godlike qualities because Gods power goes through him( acts 2:22)
An a belongs at John 1:1--one of the many errors made to fit Catholicism council teachings---these are fact.
You and JoJo are just touting Elohim Theology...kjw47 said:
...elohim: angels, saints resurrected, ghosts, spirits kings cherubim and seraphim, kings false gods, em Jesus the resurrected man and God.
'Preciate ya JoJoRoss
"Isaiah does not say Jesus himself will be Mighty God--it says his name will be called Mighty God--a big difference--it was not calling Jesus--Mighty God--just his name."
Do whaa?? It says His name will be called Mighty God... His name is Mighty God? So His name is God?
"Isaiah does not say Jesus himself will be Mighty God--it says his name will be called Mighty God--a big difference--it was not calling Jesus--Mighty God--just his name."
Do whaa?? It says His name will be called Mighty God... His name is Mighty God? So His name is God?
I passed that stage long ago. I am already up to confessing, Jesus is the Lord of Lords.Mr.Bride said:
Isa.9:6, "And men will call his name: ....Mighty God,..." It should also be noted that the expression, "his name shall be called," in line with the meaning of the Hebrew "name," means: This is the type of character that will be his. Besides, it's implied that he is called by these names say his is. The immediate connection of the second, "Mighty-God," with the first is that the individual in question possess the capacity for carrying out to the full all that his brilliant plans call for: He has nothing less than the full omnipotence of God at his command. What he devised. he's also well able to achieve of course. HE IS HIMSELF GOD.
My 'name' is insignificant Bible thumper Jack
My 'name' is insignificant Bible thumper Jack
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God,~John 10:33
So the Jews knew what He was saying. They understood that He claimed to be God.
So the Jews knew what He was saying. They understood that He claimed to be God.
Mr.Bride said:
YHWH(Jehovah) was the only single being mono God in the ot--so is it now. stop rejecting Jesus' truths if you love him--he said only the Father is God so did Paul--John 17:1-6, 1 cor 8:6--so there are two choices--either the trinity is a lie or Jesus and Paul lied--the choice is simple.
Mr.Bride said:
The jewish leaders were 100% wrong about Jesus and everything about him. Jesus is the one they were expecting, except they were expecting a mighty king to fight the romans and beat them right then, not a lowly carpenters son who taught love and Gods kingdom.
Jesus tried to tell them of many wrong teachings--they turned their hearts to hatred to him. Not once did Jesus teach he was God.
To the unbelievers: Who was God manifested in the flesh?
Check this out....
Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.Jesus saith unto him, have I been so long time with you, and yet thou hast not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, show us the Father?~John 14:8-9
Did you catch that? Hast thou not known *me*....
Amazing!!
Check this out....
Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.Jesus saith unto him, have I been so long time with you, and yet thou hast not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, show us the Father?~John 14:8-9
Did you catch that? Hast thou not known *me*....
Amazing!!
Mr.Bride said:
Jesus was the image of God--the image is not the original--Jesus taught he did 0 of his own inititive, He lived to do Gods will 24/7--all he did, God did through him-acts 2:22)-- that is how one could see the father.
At the end of the Lords prayer--Jesus teaches--the kingdom, power and glory all belong to the Father.---- Everything Jesus did and taught pointed his followers to the Father. So do his teachers.
You're not making sense... Address my post on Philips question and Jesus' response.. Reread it if you don't mind... What you said has nothin to do withe what He said. ****I been with you all this long time and you ain't know ***me***... Get around that.. The only way is with a lie... Surrounded by superstars...kjw47 said:
It was said before by one of the JW's here, that God is love. Of course that is quite correct, God is indeed love, and has been such for all eternity. This being the case it is essential therefore that He had someone to direct that love to, else the love ceases to be love. Love must have an object. Thus there must have been someone, as eternal as the Father, in whom love was equally shared. This someone is/was Jesus. If there was no-one to whom God's love was shared, then at some stage in eternity, God couldn't have been love. Therefore Jesus was eternal, and not a created being.
Rocky Wiley
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We are trying to make this subject too complicated. Jesus was man and he was God.
The flesh came from his mother and that was human.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Jesus was tempted as all humans, yet without sin. If he was tempted, then he could have sinned, yet he did not. This is speaking of Jesus the man.
Jesus, spiritually, was God.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mar 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
God is the only one who can forgive us of our sins.
Mar 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
Mar 2:11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
Adam was given eternal life as long as he did not eat of the tree of knowledge. By doing so, he brought death to all. Jesus came as a man that he might be the sacrifice that would give eternal life back to us.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
We are trying to make this subject too complicated. Jesus was man and he was God.
The flesh came from his mother and that was human.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Jesus was tempted as all humans, yet without sin. If he was tempted, then he could have sinned, yet he did not. This is speaking of Jesus the man.
Jesus, spiritually, was God.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mar 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
God is the only one who can forgive us of our sins.
Mar 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
Mar 2:11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
Adam was given eternal life as long as he did not eat of the tree of knowledge. By doing so, he brought death to all. Jesus came as a man that he might be the sacrifice that would give eternal life back to us.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
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