Question about the whore of babylon

[Andrew Kind]

Really? Explain that thought process. I am curious to see how you finding out the identity of the whore of Rev. 17 proves Christianity false (unless you implicate a specific protestantism)?

If the whore of babylon is ancient pagan rome it means the events of revelation were meant to have taken place in the days of the Roman Empire meaning revelation is wrong

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

If the whore of babylon is ancient pagan rome it means the events of revelation were meant to have taken place in the days of the Roman Empire meaning revelation is wrong

Revelation covers the entire history of redemption, from the fall of Lucifer from heaven unto the new Heaven and New Earth and destruction of satan and all wicked. Pagan Rome is included in Revelation, but so is Babylon, Medo-Pesia, Greece ... Rome ... Papal Rome ... Atheism ... Apostate Protestantism ...and the revived Papacy ...

 

[Taken]

I didn't have a choice they don't let non Christians like me on this forum

Why would you want to join a group you have to lie to join?

 

[Andrew Kind]

Revelation covers the entire history of redemption, from the fall of Lucifer from heaven unto the new Heaven and New Earth and destruction of satan and all wicked. Pagan Rome is included in Revelation, but so is Babylon, Medo-Pesia, Greece ... Rome ... Papal Rome ... Atheism ... Apostate Protestantism ...and the revived Papacy ...

I am not having this conversation the whore of babylon is one thing and one thing only

 

[Andrew Kind]

Why would you want to join a group you have to lie to join?

To find the answer I'm looking for

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

I am not having this conversation the whore of babylon is one thing and one thing only

Indeed.

Let's talk about the identifications:

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Where does the "whore" sit?

 

[Andrew Kind]

Indeed.

Let's talk about the identifications:

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Where does the "whore" sit?

On seven hills

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

On seven hills

In part, yes.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 

[Andrew Kind]

In part, yes.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

If you have a point get to it

 

[Enoch111]

To find the answer I'm looking for

Try the CIA. They love liars.

 

[Taken]

Fine the truth is its my goal to prove the bible is not the word of God

You have given a negative connotation.

So....now expound with your positive claims, eh?

Whose "word" do you claim the "text of the Bible is" ?

Do you believe in thee Lord God Almighty?

And IF SO, do you believe He has revealed any of HIS own words to mankind?

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Try the CIA. They love liars.

CNN might be hiring ...he could be friends with Andy Coopy.

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

If you have a point get to it

Why speak of "hills", before speaking of the "beast", since it comes before the "hills".

 

[Andrew Kind]

Why speak of "hills", before speaking of the "beast", since it comes before the "hills".

Congratulations you've officially lost me

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Congratulations you've officially lost me

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Which verse comes first?

 

[farouk]

Try the CIA. They love liars.

Great post!

 

[Andrew Kind]

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Which verse comes first?

Ok I'm not playing this game either get to the point or leave me alone

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Ok I'm not playing this game either get to the point or leave me alone

You were never interested in the first place.

 

[Andrew Kind]

You were never interested in the first place.

In playing guessing games? No I'm not if you have something relevant to say then say it

 

[Andrew Kind]

You were never interested in the first place.

If you're going to give me your interpretation of the scriptures you should know I won't accept it with out credible evidence to back it up