deprofundis
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I am wondering why you use the word bow when the word could be and has been translated both as "bow" and "worship," and further, why you presume the "bow" to be literal. If you're saying that the sin is the physical act of bowing, it opens up huge problems.De Profundis, God says do not "bow." I guess you question God why He uses that word? Or you just don't like me taking God's Word seriously? You make excuses why you go against the Word of God....you bring up theatre, and the actors bowing to the audience.... The Bible tells us not to bow to the works of your hands. What don't you get about that? How hard is that to grasp? And have you really ever wondered why someone would go ahead and bow to a statue anyway?
I felt as though your tone became quite aggressive and somewhat rude before his became defensive and possibly rude, but I suppose that's all up to interpretation and I hope neither of you meant to sound that way. I was just trying to remind people that it can come across as such and we should try and keep debates polite and simple. I didn't mean any harm or to unjustly point fingers anywhere. I just felt the tone of your posts was more attacking than the tone of his, but if you didn't interpret it that way, you have my apologies, we all understand words differently.Of course aspen denies the Catholic religion is doing anything wrong when they bow to statues, but I will come back and correct people when they speak untruth about me and what I say. You don't think I have the right too? Aspen said false things about me, and I straight out told him he was lying. That's what happens when someone falsely accuses you of something----they get called up on lying. And he said some rude things to me, so why don't you make a little post telling him how wrong that was? Seriously, why don't you? You didn't think to, and that shows something about you and your post here to me. As for you saying aspen knows more about the Catholic religion than I do, you have no business saying that. As for when someone denies the Word of God here and there.....doesn't that show some of what is in their heart too?
I also didn't mean to say he knows more about any religious beliefs than you do, except his own. Aspen knows what he believes and who or what he worships. Finally, I don't think he's denying the word of God, I think he's taking a passage which could be not only interpreted, but even translated, in more than one way, and choosing a different one than you are. The Bible wasn't originally written in English, and words in any language can have not only several meanings, but a lot of different connotations. I don't think either of you is "lying" or ignoring His word, I think you're looking at it in different ways.
I'm not Catholic, so I'm not sure I can really say exactly what goes on. All I'm saying is that I think interpreting the word "bow" so literally (especially, again, given that the same word can be and often is also translated as worship) is a problematic interpretation. To infer so literal a meaning of bow is to presume that it is sinful merely to make the wrong movements -- for any reason -- around a statue, but also (by implication) means that one could worship those false idols, so long as one stood upright while doing it. Somehow, I doubt the Lord finds a little kid posing for a silly picture by bowing to a suit of armour more sinful than a guy openly worshiping a statue, so long as the latter is standing. It's an extreme example, yes, but my point is that I don't think it's literally bowing that the Lord has a problem with, but the actual worship (regardless of how one stands) of a false idol.I my opinion your trying to distract from what goes on in your sanctuaries with this statement.
No, I'm saying that I don't think it's sinful to take a bow, alone, in any circumstance, I'm saying I think it's sinful to worship false idols. I also think it's pretty easy to bow without worshiping something, merely as a sign of honour and respect. This interpretation would also explain the difference between Abraham and John bowing to angels; both did the same action, so why were the results different, if it is the act of bowing, not the intention of the bow, that is sinful?Reading between the lines here I would say you feel it's alright as long as it's Mary or Jesus or perhaps some other "saint "