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    Knowing Your Religion is Right


    "Faith is believin' what you know ain't so."
    Mark Twain

    Every so often I get asked how I know that my beliefs are true. My answer
    is: I don't know if they're true. Then of course they follow up with: Then why
    do you believe your beliefs are true when you have no way of knowing
    they're true?

    Most of the people who ask me those kinds of questions are genuine; they're
    not trying to trip me up and make a fool out of me. They really are curious
    about it. So I tell them that though I don't know if my beliefs are true, my
    instincts tell me they are; in other words: I cannot shake the gnawing
    conviction that they're true.

    "I have never seen what to me seemed an atom of truth that there is a
    future life... and yet-- I am strongly inclined to expect one."

    Mark Twain

    Twain logically concluded that there is no afterlife, but his instincts did not
    agree with his thinking; and I dare not criticize him for that because even
    my own religion requires that I believe in my heart rather then only in my
    head.

    Why does any believer believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
    Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
    Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
    answer? It appeals to them.

    It's a known fact that quite a few voters do their voting not with their head
    but with their gut. In other words, they settle on a candidate based upon
    how they feel about him, and then argue their decision.

    Take for instance President Barack Hussein Obama. A large block of
    Americans voted for him solely on the basis of the color of his skin rather
    than his executive ability. (Ironically Mr. Obama isn't even Black. He's what
    used to be called Mulatto prior to political correctness, but now called Mixed
    Race; viz: his father was Black, but his mother was White. Lucky for Mr.
    Obama that his skin turned out dark or he may never have been nominated
    for US President, let alone elected.)

    "It ain't what you know that gets you into trouble.
    It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

    Mark Twain

    Bigotry is rampant in the world of religions; and it's not uncommon for
    someone to shriek; "That's a lie!" and/or "You're wrong!" I like to tell bigots
    that they really ought to be a bit more circumspect with their choice of
    words lest the hapless day arrives when they are forced to eat them.

    It is of course impossible that all religions are right; that's pretty much a
    given. But on the other hand, it's very possible that none are right. So I
    would say that when settling upon a religion, don't worry so much about
    picking the one that's right; instead pick the one that's right for you; and if
    none are right for you, then in my estimation; you're just as well off because
    if your heart's not in it; then let's face it; your choice is no less arbitrary
    than randomly selecting cookies out of a jar of 100.

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    The Rich Man, Lazarus, And Abraham

    Fiction can be defined as stories about people, places, and events that,
    though untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.

    Fantasy can be defined as stories about people, places, and events that are
    not only untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.

    For example: a story about a wooden boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while
    a story about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio
    and the autistic boy is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while
    the other is far removed from normal reality.

    I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
    be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable-- banquets,
    stewards, weddings, farmers sowing seed, pearls, lost sheep, fish nets,
    women losing coins, sons leaving home, wineskins bursting, tares among the
    wheat, leavened bread, barren fig trees, the blind leading the blind, et al.

    Now; if Christ had told one that alleged the moon was made of green
    cheese; we would have good reason to believe that at least that one was
    fantasy; but none of them are like that. No; there's nothing out of the
    ordinary in his parables. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as fiction;
    but never fantasy because none of them are so far removed from the normal
    round of human experience that they have no basis in reality whatsoever.

    Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
    that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
    theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is not a fictional character: he's a real-life
    man; the father of the Hebrew people, held in very high esteem by at least
    three of the world's prominent religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
    And he's also the friend of God (Isa 41:8). I simply cannot believe that Jesus
    Christ-- a man famous among normal Christians for his honesty and
    integrity --would say something untrue about a famous real-life man;
    especially about one of his Father's buddies.

    And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
    story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
    things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
    commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.

    There is something else to consider.

    The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No,
    it originated with his Father. In other words: Jesus Christ was micro
    managed.

    John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words

    John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
    things which I have heard of Him.

    John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as
    the Father taught me.

    John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
    He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

    John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
    sent me.

    So, by alleging that Luke 16:19-31 is fiction/fantasy, the parable theory
    slanders God by insinuating that He's a person of marginal integrity who
    can't be trusted to tell the truth about people, not even about His own
    friends, which is ridiculous seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that
    God cannot lie.

    God's impeccable character is what makes that narrative all the more
    disturbing. Unless somebody can prove, beyond a shadow of sensible doubt,
    that Christ's Father is a tale-spinner; I pretty much have to assume the
    narrative was drawn from real-life; and if not drawn from real life, then at
    least based upon real life.

    In other words: there really is an afterlife place of conscious suffering where
    people endure unbearable anxiety worrying their loved ones are on a road to
    where they are and there is no way to warn them; which brings to mind the
    survivors of the Titanic watching their loved ones go to Davy Jones while
    utterly helpless to do anything about it.

    People for whom I feel the most pity are parents that brought up their
    children to walk in mom and dad's ideological footsteps and the ideology
    turned out to be evil. How do people in hell bear up under something like
    that on their conscience?

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    The God Begotten Of God

    Q: One translation of John 1:18 speaks of the only begotten god; while
    another translation of John 1:18 speaks of the only begotten son. Which
    translation is correct?

    A: Either one will do because, biologically speaking, they're both saying the
    very same thing.

    God has lots of sons; but only one is His son by means of procreation.

    The Greek word for "only begotten" in John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16,
    John 3:18, is monogenes (mon-og-en-ace') which is a combination of two
    words.

    The first is mono, which music buffs recognize as a single channel rather
    than two or four in surround-sound stereo. Mono is very common; e.g.
    monogamy, monofilament, monotonous, mononucleotide, monochrome,
    monogram, monolith, monologue, monomial, et al.

    The other word is genes; from whence we get the English word gene; which
    Webster's defines as a biological term indicating a part of a cell that controls
    or influences the appearance, growth, etc., of a living thing.

    In other words: monogenes refers to one biological gene set rather than
    many.

    Monogenes always, and without exception, refers to a parent's sole
    biological child. If a parent has two or three biological children, none of them
    qualify as monogenes because in order to qualify as a monogenes child, the
    child has to be an only child. Obviously then, an adopted child can never be
    monogenes in the home because it wouldn't be the home's biological child.
    Examples of monogenes children are located at Luke 7:12, Luke 8:42, and
    Luke 9:38.

    Now if God's monogenes son is really and truly His biological offspring, so to
    speak, then we are going to have to admit that His son is a chip off the old
    block; which in fact the Bible declares.

    Col 2:9 . . In him all the fullness of divinity dwells in bodily form.

    Webster's defines "divinity" as the quality, or the state, of being a god.

    According to the Greek version, "divinity" is modified by a definite article; so
    that what we're looking at here isn't nondescript divinity; rather, the
    divinity; viz: the quality, or the state, of being Almighty God.

    People have difficulty with the literal meaning of "only begotten" because it's
    unthinkable to them that God is somehow able to reproduce. Well; I don't
    know how God goes about it; but if single cell organisms like amoeba can
    reproduce by means of a process called binary fission; then we shouldn't be
    all that aghast at the prospect of God multiplying Himself in a similar way.
    And if God actually did reproduce; then His offspring is more of Himself; viz:
    God would produce God just as humans produce humans.

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    Christ's Demise

    The Koran's Christ didn't pass away on the cross.

    "And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the
    apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it
    appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are
    only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only
    follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure." (The Women 4.157)

    The Bible's Christ fully expired.

    "And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said: Father, into Thy hands I
    commit my spirit. And having said this, he breathed his last." (Luke 23:46)

    "When they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not
    break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear,
    bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. The man who saw it has given
    testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and
    he testifies so that you also may believe." (John 19:31-35)

    Since Jesus was somewhat elevated, (it's not stated exactly how high) the
    spear point would have entered his body at an upward angle. The text
    doesn't say which side was penetrated, but from John's description, and
    judging from the intent of the soldier to leave no doubt about Jesus' death,
    the heart side was very likely the side they cut into and the spear point
    would've entered just under his rib cage.

    The heart is surrounded by a membrane called the pericardium; which
    serves to contain a serous material resembling water to prevent the surface
    of the heart from becoming dry and/or chafed by its continual motion. It was
    very likely this which was pierced and from which the water flowed. The
    point of the spear also seems to have reached one of the ventricles of the
    heart, and the blood, yet warm, rushed forth, either mingled with, or
    followed by, the liquor of the pericardium, so as to appear to John to be
    blood and water flowing together. Though not medically accurate in our day,
    John's calling the serous fluid "water" was accurate enough in his own day.

    Had Christ managed to survive the spear he most certainly would have died
    of suffocation. According to the records, his friends covered his face with a
    towel, wrapped him with strips of cloth like a mummy, and coated him with
    a paste consisting of 75 pounds of myrrh and aloes: all of which served to
    not only put him in a straight jacket, but also sealed him in an air-tight
    cocoon of sorts.

    1• The Towel

    "And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes,
    but wrapped together in a place by itself." (John 20:7)

    The koiné Greek word translated "napkin" is soudarion (soo-dar'-ee-on)
    which defines a sweat-cloth; viz: a towel for wiping the perspiration from the
    face, or binding the face of a corpse.

    2• The Mummy

    "Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes" (John
    19:40)

    "And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes,
    but wrapped together in a place by itself." (John 20:7)

    The Greek word translated "wound" is deo (deh'-o) which means to bind

    The Greek word translated "linen cloths" is othonion (oth-on'-ee-on) which
    defines bandages.

    3• The Cocoon

    "And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night,
    and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.
    Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the
    spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury." (John 19:39-40)

    Myrrh is a gum resin. The aloe of that day was a thick liquid taken from an
    aromatic tree and used in medicines and cosmetics, etc. Blending those two
    ingredients together produced a nice sticky goo that could be slathered and
    plastered all over the deceased to seal the body and retard putrefaction
    and/or seal in odors and thwart vermin. This was likely the final step just
    prior to wrapping the whole affair in a shroud (Matt 27:59).

    So all told-- the crucifixion, the spear, the face towel, the wrappings, and
    the gooey paste --I think it's pretty safe to conclude that Christ, as he is
    depicted in the Bible, was quite deceased.

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    Christ's Recovery

    There lacks a universal consensus regarding the nature of Christ's
    resurrection. Some say his crucified body came back to life. Some say that
    his crucified body was exchanged for a glorified body. Still others say that
    Christ's crucified body not only didn't recover, but he came back with a spirit
    body; and his post resurrection physical appearances were done as an angel
    disguised in a fully-functioning human avatar.

    It's evident that Christ has a glorified body at present (Php 3:20-21). But I
    really don't think such was the case out at the cemetery.

    John 2:19-22 . . Jesus answered them: Destroy this temple, and I will
    raise it again in three days. The Jews replied: It has taken forty-six years to
    build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days? But the temple
    he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his
    disciples recalled what he had said.

    Had not Christ's crucified body revived, then his prediction would be easily
    proven false because the temple he spoke of was "this temple" viz: the body
    he was standing in as he spoke with the Jews.

    Q: If Christ didn't come back from death with the glorified body spoken of in
    Php 3:20-21, then how and when did he obtain it?

    A: Some day the bodies of all Christ's believing followers will be raised from
    the dead and taken up to meet the Lord in the air (1Thes 3:14-17). On the
    way up, the bodies will undergo a sudden and miraculous transformation.
    (1Cor 15:51-53). I think it's pretty safe to assume that Christ's body
    underwent a similar transformation while on the way up to heaven as per
    Acts 1:9 so that today his body is no longer a normal human body; but
    instead a superhuman body to which all his believing followers' bodies will
    one day conform.

    Q: What about the fact that he was able to pass through a locked door?
    (John 20:19). Surely a normal human body could never do such a thing.

    A: Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, walked on water, calmed storms,
    restored withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and
    leprosy, multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, raised the
    dead, withered a fig tree, levitated into the sky, etc. Come on now; what's
    one more miracle more or less for a man like that?

    Q: Why make a big deal out of the nature of Christ's resurrection?

    A1: Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove Jesus' bodily
    resurrection because his bodily crucifixion is only half enough to protect
    people from the wrath of God. Though his bodily crucifixion obtains
    forgiveness for people's sins, it does not gain people an acquittal; i.e. a
    verdict of innocence.

    Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised
    to life for our justification.

    The Greek word translated "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which
    means acquittal; i.e. a verdict of innocence; viz: exoneration.

    People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal
    record. Christ's bodily resurrection expunges their record so that on the
    books, it's as though they've never done anything bad.

    This clearing of one's record that I'm talking about is obtained via the
    kindness and generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's
    crucified body. If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus'
    crucified body is still dead or, even better yet, make them question whether
    the man even existed at all; then they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and
    consequently end up put to death in brimstone because records are to be
    reviewed when people stand to face justice at the Great White Throne event
    depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

    A2: Belief in Christ's bodily resurrection is one of the essential elements of
    the gospel that must be accepted if one is to have any hope at all of
    escaping the lake of brimstone.

    1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now I make known to you, brothers, the good news which
    I declared to you, which you also received, in which you also stand, through
    which you are also being saved, with the speech with which I declared the
    good news to you, if you are holding it fast, unless, in fact, you became
    believers to no purpose.

    . . . For I handed on to you, among the first things, that which I also
    received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that
    he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to
    the Scriptures.

    Paul goes on to say that if Christ's crucified body did not revive, then his
    followers haven't a prayer of escaping the sum of all fears.

    1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you
    are still in your sins.


    FYI: What and/or where are the scriptures about which Paul spoke? There's
    at least two. One is the story of Jonah; which Christ appropriated as a "sign"
    of his own resurrection. (Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40). Another is in the book of
    Psalms at 16:8-10 (cf. Acts 2:22-36)

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    2Tim 3:16 . . All Scripture is inspired by God

    The Greek word for "inspired" is theopneustos (theh-op'-nyoo-stos) which is
    a combination of theo which means God, and pneustos which means to
    inflate: as in blowing up a balloon or a soccer ball and/or filling a boat's sails
    with wind.

    Theopneustos is probably about as close as you'll get for a Greek word
    corresponding to Gen 2:7 where it's stated:

    "Then Yhvh God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his
    nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

    "breathed into" is pretty much what theopneustos says. But the breath of life
    isn't artificial respiration. Pumping air into a corpse doesn't work. It's been
    tried. The breath of life is a mysterious energy with enough power to even
    make solid rock sentient. (Luke 3:8)

    What all this means is: scripture is more than just text-- God has willed
    scripture to have a peculiar kind of life all its own.

    Heb 4:12-13 . . For the word of God is living and active and sharper than
    any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of
    both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the
    heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open
    and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

    Scripture, then, is a divine agent: it speaks about God, it speaks for God,
    and it speaks as God. In a manner of speaking then: scripture can be
    thought of as a close encounter.

    "In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance
    for every one of us. Through the spiritual dynamism and prophetic force of
    the Bible, the Holy Spirit spreads His light and His warmth over all men, in
    whatever historical or sociological situation they find themselves." (Paulus PP
    VI, from the Vatican, September 18, 1970)

    Paulus PP VI said it well. So then: when people listen to the Bible, they listen
    to God; and when they mock and ridicule the Bible, they mock and ridicule
    God.

    The voice of God is set to be called as a witness in the prosecution's case
    against certain individuals.

    John 12:48-49 . . He who rejects me, and does not receive my sayings,
    has one who judges him: the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last
    day. For I did not speak on my own initiative, but the Father himself who
    sent me has given me commandment, what to say, and what to speak.

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    Interpretation

    "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private
    interpretation."

    The KJV's obsolete language is misleading. Here's that same passage in
    updated language.

    2Pet 1:20-21 . . Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of
    Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy
    never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were
    carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    That passage isn't talking about one's own personal understanding of
    prophecy, rather, the origin of prophecy. In other words: the sayings of the
    prophets didn't arise from human reasoning and a fertile imagination. No,
    they got their sayings directly from God.

    Now, the sayings they got from God are not quite the same as the sayings
    that you see in print. No, the sayings you see in print are the prophets'
    interpretations of the sayings they got from God; viz: they translated God's
    language and grammar into common language and grammar that you and I
    can understand. That's pretty amazing when you think about it.

    For example: Jesus once said that his words are spirit (John 6:63). Well that
    right there is a bit of a problem because I don't have in my possession an
    Enigma machine designed to decode spirit words; so were I not blessed with
    the anointing as per 1John 2:26-27, I'd be sort of like a blind man in a dark
    room looking for a black cat that isn't there when it comes to spirit words.

    1Cor 2:12-13 . .We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit
    who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
    This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in
    words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

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    Deut 21:18-21 . . If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not
    obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline
    him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders
    at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is
    stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a
    drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must
    purge the evil from among you.

    The koinë Greek word for "profligate" is zalal (zaw-lal') which, among other
    things, means to be morally loose and/or worthless

    The koinë word for drunkard refers to heavy drinking; which could refer to
    wild parties and such.

    Those words don't describe minor children, rather, of-age children, i.e.
    legally adults still living at home and mooching off their parents instead of
    out on their own, working for a living to support themselves.

    There's a rule of thumb that says "When you live in our house, you'll live by
    our rules". Well; the bum described in Deut 21:18-21 not only mooches off
    his parents, but does whatever he pleases in their home, not caring how
    mom and dad might feel about anything.

    These days that's becoming more and more common when 26 is the new 21.
    Kids are staying home longer than they used to. Well; there's nothing
    intrinsically wrong with kids staying home longer, but when their lifestyle
    becomes intolerable for their parents, it's time for them to move out.

    Why is the punishment so severe for bums? Well for starters; it violates one
    of the Ten Commandments.

    Ex 20:12a . . Honor your father and your mother,

    Failure to comply with that command merits dying before one's time.

    Ex 20:12b . . that your days may be prolonged in the land which Yhvh
    your God gives you. (cf. Eph 6:1-3)

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    Jephthah's Daughter

    Judg 11:30-32 . . And Jephthah made a vow to Yhvh and said: If you will
    indeed give the sons of Ammon into my hand, then it shall be that whatever
    comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from
    the sons of Ammon, it shall be the Lord's, and I will offer it up as a burnt
    offering.

    Some of the "houses" back in that day were constructed as an enclosed
    compound; which included a courtyard. Around the periphery of the
    courtyard were the family's living quarters and sometimes accommodations
    for certain of the family's animals. The "door" of the house served not as an
    entry to the family's living quarters, rather, as a gate to the courtyard.

    Something very similar to that description is depicted in the Charlton Heston
    movie Ben Hur. I rather suspect that at least of few of the animals were
    allowed to freely roam the courtyard and were Jephthah's intended sacrifice
    rather than his kin. That would help explain the bitter disappointment he
    expressed when his daughter met him first.

    As for giving his daughter to the priests for a burnt offering; that just wasn't
    done. Human sacrifice isn't specified in the covenant that Yhvh's people
    agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
    Deuteronomy; so offering a human on the Altar would have been a violation.

    Deut 4:2 …You shall not add anything to what I command you or take
    anything away from it, but keep the commandments of the Lord your God
    that I enjoin upon you.

    Deut 5:29-30 …Be careful, then, to do as the Lord your God has
    commanded you. Do not turn aside to the right or to the left: follow only the
    path that the Lord your God has enjoined upon you

    In the end, Jephthah's daughter didn't bewail the loss of her life; rather, the
    loss of any hope of having a family of her own. I've a feeling she joined
    other women of Israel dedicated to assisting with things in and around the
    Temple vicinity (cf. 1Sam 2:22). According to 1Cor 7:34, that vocation is
    better suited to unencumbered single women than married.

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    1 Cor 15:44 . . It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If
    there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

    Watch as I revise that passage because the difference is significant.

    "It is sown a natural body, it is raised up a spirit body. If there is a natural
    body, there is also a spirit body."

    No; it doesn't say spirit body but nevertheless that's what some people have
    decided it ought to say.

    The Greek word translated "spiritual" is ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily
    refer to spirit. Below is a list of spiritual things that bear absolutely no
    resemblance whatsoever to the body chemistry of an angel or a demon.

    Spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
    Spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
    Spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
    Spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
    Spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
    Spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
    Spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
    Spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
    Spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
    Spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
    Spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
    Spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

    The spiritual body spoken of at 1Cor 15:44 is in no way composed of spirit.
    Of what material it is composed I don't know; but I do know at least four
    things about it.

    1• The spiritual body is patterned after Christ's body.

    Php 3:20-21 . .Our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a savior
    from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to
    bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that
    they will be like his glorious body.

    2• The spiritual body is capable of dining upon ordinary foods.

    Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
    before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
    the kingdom of God.

    3• The spiritual body is capable of imbibing ordinary beverages.

    Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
    on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

    4• The spiritual body is capable of being seen by the naked eye.

    Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This
    Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the
    same way as you have watched him go into heaven.

    Rev 1:7 . . Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see
    him, even those who pierced him

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    Eph 1:13-14 . . Having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of
    promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the
    purchased possession

    Eph 4:30 . . Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were
    sealed for the day of redemption.

    The Holy Spirit of God is the seal; which is from the koiné Greek word
    sphragizo (sfrag-id'-zo). The word has no reference whatsoever to a zip lock
    bag, or a strip of tape, or a gasket, or that little widget that the power
    company clips onto electric meters, or a cork, or a bar code, or a bottle cap,
    or a label, or a tag, or the lid on a jar, or glue, or the ring of bee's wax that
    goes in between the base of a toilet and the flange of the soil pipe it drains
    into.

    Sphragizo refers to the impression that's made upon wax with a signet ring.
    In other words: the Holy Spirit is God's own personal signature on the dotted
    line; and it serves a very important purpose.

    The Holy Spirit is also the "guarantee" of a believer's inheritance. Let me
    explain.

    The koiné Greek word is arrhabon (ar-hrab-ohn') which refers to a pledge;
    viz: part of the purchase-money or property given in advance as security for
    the rest.

    When we bought our home, I had to submit, along with the escrow papers,
    an amount of money called a "good-faith" deposit. In the event that my wife
    and I backed out of the deal, for any reason at all; we would've forfeited the
    deposit. That's no doubt an incentive to make sure people mean business
    about buying a home.

    Eph 1:13-14 explains a difficult spiritual truth by putting it into a context
    easy to understand by anyone familiar with the process of buying a home.
    Another context, also easy to understand, is located in the 38th chapter of
    Genesis.

    Long story short, Judah left his staff and signet with Tamar as a pledge that
    he would pay her with a young goat as compensation for sleeping with him
    (Gen 38:18). The Hebrew word for Judah's pledge is 'arabown (ar-aw-bone')
    which is equivalent to the Greek word for guarantee.

    Well; Judah was unable to make good on his promise because Tamar took a
    powder. So his response was:

    "Let her keep what she has or we will become a disgrace." (Gen 38:23)

    You bet your bippy they would have been a disgrace because until such a
    time as Judah paid Tamar what he promised; she had a legitimate right to
    keep his staff and his signet because that's the way an 'arabown works.

    Bottom line is: at this point in the plan of salvation, should God not spare a
    believer's soul from the sum of all fears; then He has to forfeit the Holy
    Spirit. In other words: should a believer end up in hell, they get to keep the
    Holy Spirit and take Him down there with them because that's the way the
    arrhabon and the 'arabown work; and believers have God's signature holding
    Him to it.

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    I should think that producing enough piety during one's lifetime in order to
    get to heaven would be difficult enough. But people who make it to heaven
    don't face a lifetime; no, they're facing eternity. Producing piety for that long
    has to be even harder.

    According to Rom 2:6-11, people's piety has to be consistent. In other
    words: there's no reward for complying with some of God's wishes some of
    the time, nor even most of His wishes most of the time. No, people have to
    comply with all of His wishes all the time in order to stay in heaven; no
    slacking off-- people are expected to give it everything they've got.

    Mark 12:30 . . You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and
    with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.

    Christ is the lucky one. Piety is second nature to him. Christ doesn't even
    have to work at it because he was born with the nature of God rather than
    only the nature of a human. That's quite an advantage over the rest of us.

    1John 3:8 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed
    remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

    According to Rom 6:23, the wages of sin is death. Well; if the wages of sin is
    death down here, wouldn't the wages of sin be death up there too? I can't
    imagine why not. So then, it seems to me that people in heaven are living
    under a sword of Damocles, hanging by a slender thread easily broken by
    the slightest impiety; and thus finding themselves booted out of heaven
    right quick.

    Human nature being what it is, the obvious solution to this dilemma is to
    take people right back to square #1 and route them through birth all over
    again. Only the second time, instead of born the normal way; they'd be born
    by the hand of God in such a way that piety would be second nature to them
    just like it is for Christ; because unless God can say about ordinary people
    "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" like He says about
    Christ; they are not going to survive in heaven for very long.

    Is what I'm talking about a possibility? Yes; it certainly is.

    2Pet 1:3-5 . . His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to
    life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His
    own glory and excellence. For by these He has granted to us His precious
    and magnificent promises, in order that by them you might become
    partakers of the divine nature.

    Routing through another birth all over again in order to obtain the divine
    nature isn't optional. No; it's a must.

    John 3:3 . . Jesus declared: I tell you the truth, no one can see the
    kingdom of God unless he is born from above.

    John 3:7 . . Do not wonder that I said to you: You must be born from
    above.

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    NOTE: The comments below pertain specifically to Christians within a
    Christian congregation, rather than to people in general throughout the
    world community.

    Christ's apostles speak for Christ; and obeying them is a walk pleasing to
    God.

    1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
    him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
    commandments of The Lord.

    1Ths 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord
    Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please
    God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments
    we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

    Seeing as how the apostles' commandments are Christ's commandments,
    then refusal to obey an apostle is all the same as refusal to obey Christ. It's
    a domino effect all the way to the top.

    Luke 10:16 . .Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you;
    rejects me. And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me.

    Therefore, these next commandments are not just one man's opinion; but
    are Christ's wishes, and being so, are God's too.

    1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
    Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
    God.

    1Cor 14:34-35 . . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is
    not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under
    obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask
    their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

    1Tim 2:11-12 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
    suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
    in silence.

    People who refuse to obey those commandments are no better than pagans
    practicing dark arts and/or worshipping Shiva and Vishnu.

    1Sam 15:23 . . Rebellion is as the sin of divination, and insubordination is
    as iniquity and idolatry.

    They're Christ's enemies.

    John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

    And they're disloyal too.

    John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

    John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
    who loves me.

    John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
    does not love me will not obey my teaching.

    Their insubordination insinuates that God's wisdom is absurd.

    2Pet 3:15-16 . . Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

    Q: What about Deborah? God appointed her to lead men. (Jdgs 4:4-5:31)

    A: Rebels are fond of pointing to Old Testament female luminaries like
    Deborah to justify Christian women leading Christian men. But they need to
    wake up and get their bearings. Deborah wasn't a Christian; and besides:
    she lived in the Old Testament era.

    That ship has sailed and we today live in the New Testament era-- an era
    where Christ's wishes reign supreme. Male leadership may not be ideal; but
    the bottom line is: males are Christ's gender of choice; and it is his Father's
    wishes that people follow His son's lead.

    Matt 17:5 . .Behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a
    voice out of the cloud, saying: This is My beloved son, with whom I am well
    pleased. Listen to him!

    John 3:36 . . He who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the
    wrath of God abides on him.

    You know why the issue of Christian women leading Christian men is so
    controversial? It's because far more Christians are worldly than heavenly;
    they're living the Christian life according to the standards of their culture,
    and according to their feelings, instead of according to Christ's wishes; viz:
    they're carnal instead of spiritual; and apparently content to be that way.

    Rom 8:5-8 . .Those who live according to the sinful nature have their
    minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with
    the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful
    man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the
    sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do
    so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.

    Christianity isn't everyone's cup of tea. If people find Christ's rules too strict,
    too old fashioned and/or too contrary to their culture, then maybe they
    ought to take up something else, like maybe Buddhism, or transcendental
    meditation. But one thing no one should do is follow Christ with the thought
    of setting him straight or bringing him up to date. You see, that would be
    the sin of heresy, which is a sin that merits ostracizing.

    Rom 16:17 . .Watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in
    your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away
    from them.

    Stubborn cases of heresy require excommunication.

    Titus 3:10-11 . . Reject a divisive person after the first and second
    admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self
    condemned.

    Some Christian churches are so insubordinate that they mirror the church of
    Laodicea where Christ is depicted outside the building at Rev 3:14-22
    banging on the door trying to get someone's attention to let him in. A
    Christian church without Christ at the helm is really an odd duck. For all
    intents and purposes, it's little more than a religious social club.

    1John 1:6 . . If we claim to have fellowship with him, yet walk in the
    darkness; we lie and do not live by the truth.

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    Christ And The Melchizedek Priesthood

    Melchizedek was a priest of the Most High God in the book of Genesis
    contemporary with Abraham. (Gen 14:18-20)

    Mel, along with Abraham, existed prior to the covenanted law that Yhvh's
    people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
    Deuteronomy. This is very important seeing as how according to the Bible,
    law enacted ex post facto isn't retroactive.

    Deut 5:2-4 . .Yhvh our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. Yhvh did
    not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us
    alive here today.

    Rom 4:15 . . Law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no
    transgression.

    Rom 5:13 . . Sin is not imputed when there is no law.

    Gal 3:17. .The Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does
    not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God.

    That being the case, then Melchizedek's constituents-- among whom was
    Abraham --were immune to the consequences specified for breaking the
    covenant's law as per Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut
    28:1-69.

    Christ's priesthood is patterned after Melchizedek's (Ps 110:4, Heb 5:5-6).
    So then, seeing as how Melchizedek and his constituents-- which included
    Abraham --were immune to the curses specified for breaking the covenant's
    law, then Christ and his constituents are immune to the curses too. In a
    nutshell: neither Christ nor his followers can be sent to hell for breaking the
    Ten Commandments.

    John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in
    God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
    sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

    Another advantage of Christ's priesthood is its continuity.

    Take for example Judaism's priesthood. No one has benefited from its
    services since Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70ad. Which means of course
    that 1,945 years worth of Yom Kippurs have been merely for show because
    the Day Of Atonement cannot be observed properly and effectively without a
    fully functioning priesthood.

    In contrast: Christ's priesthood isn't effected by wars, and/or geopolitics. He
    officiates in heaven where nothing happening on earth can reach to either
    interfere with, or interrupt, his services (Heb 8:1-4). And seeing as how
    Christ rose from the dead immortal (Rom 6:9, Heb 7:3, Rev 1:18) then old
    age and death will never be a factor in either the length or the effectiveness
    of his priesthood tenure.

    Heb 7:24-25 . . He, on the other hand, because he abides forever, holds
    his priesthood permanently. Hence, also, he is able to save forever those
    who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make
    intercession for them.


    FYI: Melchizedek's office is a high priest's position (Heb 5:10, Heb 6:20).
    Well; the Bible limits the number of high priests in office to just one at a
    time; and the man stays in place till he's dead before being replaced-- which
    of course won't happen with Christ seeing as how he's currently immortal.

    Point being: Mormonism's over-crowded order of Melchizedek is unbiblical:
    and so, for that matter, is Mormonism's order of Aaron seeing as how his is
    the office of a high priest too.

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    Everybody has problems with proclivities; which Webster's defines as
    inclinations or predispositions toward something; especially strong
    inherent inclinations toward something objectionable.

    Everybody also has problems with predilections too; which Webster's defines
    as a natural liking for something; viz: a natural tendency to do or to be
    attracted to something.

    Those definitions are keyed to the words "natural" and "inherent". So then
    what we're talking about here are not conditioned responses, nor acquired
    tastes.

    In the passage below; Paul's pronoun "we" included himself as someone with
    natural-born longings and desires for bad things.

    Eph 2:2-4 . .We too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging
    the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of
    wrath, even as the rest.

    Paul's pronoun "all" torpedoes every Christian claiming to be born free of
    one or more sinful predilections.

    The point is: unless something were done to remedy human nature's sinful
    proclivities and predilections, nobody would qualify for citizenship in either
    the new cosmos or the holy city depicted in the 21st chapter of Revelation.
    Everybody, no exceptions, even Christ's apostles, would be barred entry
    even though Christ gave his life as a ransom to rescue their souls from the
    wrath of God.

    The problem is: forgiveness isn't a cure; viz: forgiven pedophiles and LGBT
    go right on as pedophiles and LGBT just like always and were they to
    attempt to suppress their desires throughout eternity, I think they would
    eventually go mad with a nervous breakdown because they would be
    fighting against nature; which everybody instinctively knows is a fight that
    can't be won without suffering serious psychological consequences.

    So then, it's futile to tell pedophiles and LGBT to stop giving in to their
    desires if they want to get to heaven and stay in heaven because that's not
    a viable, long-range solution to their problem. The problem is not their
    conduct; no, their conduct is merely a symptom; and as every informed
    person knows: you don't treat an illness by treating its symptoms-- that
    method has been proven ineffective.

    God's remedy for pedophiles and LGBT is radical, to say the least; but it's
    the only way He can get them into heaven so they can stay in heaven.

    First off: He doesn't remove their longings and desires; instead God regards
    their natural-born condition as so far gone that it can't be treated. In other
    words: God throws the baby out with the bath water, so to speak, and starts
    from scratch with a new baby.

    John 3:3 . . I tell you the truth: no one can see the kingdom of God unless
    he is born again.

    The birth about which Christ spoke isn't an option; no, it's a must.

    John 3:7 . .You must be born again.

    That goes for everybody, not just pedophiles and LGBT, because Christ said
    "no one" can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again; which of
    course has to include all the holy people in the Old Testament too or
    otherwise the words "no one" are just hot air and serve no useful purpose.

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    Acts 11:26 . . in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called
    Christians.

    Webster's defines a Christian as somebody who professes belief in the
    teachings of Jesus Christ.

    According to that definition; it isn't necessary to actually believe in Christ's
    teachings in order to qualify as a Christian; it's only necessary to say you do.

    People don't even have to know what Christ's teachings are; they only have
    to say they believe in them.

    Nor is it necessary to put Christ's teachings into practice in order to qualify
    as a Christian; it's only necessary to say you believe in them.

    Webster's is a very broad definition, but if all denominations complied with
    it, I think they'd all be a whole lots more tolerant; and get along a whole lots
    better too.

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    Matt 8:23-25 . . And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him.
    And behold, there arose a great storm in the sea, so that the boat was
    covered with the waves; but he himself was asleep. And they came to him,
    and awoke him, saying: Save us, Lord; we are perishing!

    The koiné Greek word for "save" in that verse is sozo (sode'-zo) which
    means to rescue and/or protect.

    Luke 2:8-11 . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying
    out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel
    of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone
    around them; and they were terribly frightened.

    . . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you
    good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the
    city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord.

    The Greek word for "savior" in that verse is soter (so-tare') which means: a
    rescuer.

    Rescuers typically help people who are in grave distress and/or imminent
    danger of death and/or serious injury, and helpless to do anything about it;
    e.g. Red Cross, Firemen, Emergency Medical teams, snow patrols, mountain
    units, and the Coast Guard and National Guard.

    Wouldn't it be awful if those agencies refused to assist desperate folk until
    they first proved themselves deserving? Well lucky for everyone that those
    agencies work on the basis of need rather than merit or many of us would
    end up thrown back to the wolves.

    I think quite a few people are under the impression that Christ is some sort
    of probation officer; viz: if people "endure to the end" as they say; then he
    grants them a clearance for heaven. But God forbid they should fail to
    satisfy the conditions of their probation, because then they're out the door.

    Probation can be likened to a sword of Damocles hanging over people's
    heads by a slender thread easily broken by conduct unbecoming. How dare
    the angel of Luke 2:8-11 describe his announcement as "good news of great
    joy" if probation were actually what's meant by sozo instead of to rescue
    and/or to protect.

    On the other hand; if Christ is in the business of rescuing and protecting
    people from the wrath of God in accordance with the humane principles
    underlying normal emergency services; then yes, I fully agree with the angel
    that the birth of Christ is something to get excited about.

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    One of Christ's characteristics, in which I have complete confidence, is that
    he's conscientious about doing what he's told.

    "The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I
    always do what is pleasing to Him." (John 8:29)

    Were Christ to fail in any way, any way at all, pleasing the one who sent
    him. then it would be dishonest of Christ to claim to "always" please Him.
    Christ might be able to claim pleasing the one who sent him a high
    percentage of the time, but certainly not always.

    Here is one of the things that God wants from His son.

    "This is the will of the one who sent me; that I should not lose anything of
    what He gave me." (John 6:39)

    The one who sent Christ has given him sheep (John 10:27-30). Were Jesus
    to lose one single head of those sheep-- even just one --he would fail to
    always please the one who sent him.

    Regarding those sheep, Jesus stated:

    "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch
    them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than
    all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand." (John 10:28-29)

    It has actually been posited that the sheep are an exception. In other words;
    it's been posited that the sheep of their own free will can take themselves
    out of Jesus' hand. But of course they can't because the Father's free will
    trumps the sheep's free will.

    "This is the will of the one who sent me; that I should not lose anything of
    what He gave me." (John 6:39)

    The posit is a vote of no-confidence in the good shepherd's determination to
    succeed at pleasing the one who sent him; and reveals a belief that the
    sheep have enough strength and cunning to overpower their shepherd and
    run off.

    Were the good shepherd only human, then I would be inclined to agree with
    the posit that his sheep might get past him and run off. But the Bible
    teaches that Christ is not only human, but also the divine architect of the
    entire cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy. So then, the
    good shepherd has at his disposal all the powers and abilities of the supreme
    being to utilize in keeping the sheep right where he wants them to be.

    Surely no one in a right mind would dare to suggest that sheep have
    sufficient powers and abilities of their own at their disposal to overcome
    Christ. Were that the case, the sheep would have no need of his services;
    the sheep could shepherd themselves.

    But even were the sheep to somehow manage to escape Christ's hand, they
    would still have his Father's hand to contend with; and good luck getting
    away from Almighty God!

    Now, seeing as how the good shepherd has all the powers of the supreme
    being at his disposal to keep the sheep, then it shouldn't take too much
    more to persuade the sheep that it's okay to fully trust in this next
    statement of his.

    "I am the gate; whoever enters through me shall be saved." (John 10:9)

    Were Christ a so-so shepherd; then he wouldn't dare say "shall be" saved;
    no, he'd have to tone it down a bit and say "can be" saved. That would leave
    him some room for error. But when Christ says "shall be" he's claiming a
    0.0% failure rate. That's how confident Christ is that he will lose nothing of
    what his Father has given him.

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    The term "in Christ" is widely misunderstood. In a nutshell; everyone starts
    out born in Adam; in order to get one's self in Christ; it's necessary to
    undergo yet another birth as per John 3:3-8.

    John 3:7 . . Don't be surprised at my statement that you must be born
    again.

    Note that another birth isn't optional; it's a must.

    2Cor 5:17 . .Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old
    has gone, the new has come.

    The koiné Greek word for "creation" is ktisis (ktis'-is).

    Ktisis makes its first appearance in the New Testament at Mark 10:6 where
    it refers to intelligent design and the source of the current cosmos with all of
    its forms of life, matter, and energy.

    Ktisis is a subtle word. It implies that the current cosmos is an original
    rather than a copy; viz: the creation spoken of in 2Cor 5:17 is an original
    too, i.e. the first ever of its kind; unique. In other words: the new h.sapiens
    isn't a renovation of the first version.

    "old" is from the koiné Greek word archaios (ar-khah'-yos) which basically
    means the first and/or primeval. In other words: the old man is the Adam
    version of h.sapiens, i.e. a terrestrial human race as per Gen 2:7.

    Natural born humans are classified as "in Adam" which makes sense seeing
    as how Adam is their progenitor.

    Just as Adam was the progenitor of the now-obsolete human race; so Christ
    is the progenitor of the never to be obsolete human race; viz: the new Man;
    which is a race of heavenly people that has some pretty amazing
    advantages.

    In Adam all are reckoned joint principals in his disobedience.

    In Christ all are reckoned joint principals in his obedience.

    In Adam all are adjudged unrighteous.

    In Christ all are adjudged righteous.

    In Adam all are capable of sin.

    In Christ all are incapable of sin.

    In Adam all have the human nature.

    In Christ all have the divine nature.

    In Adam all have natural life.

    In Christ all have eternal life.

    In Adam all are made to die.

    In Christ, all are made to live.

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