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Yom Kippur

Lev 16:29-34 . . And it shall be a statute to you for ever that in the
seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves,
and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among
you; for on this day shall atonement be made for you, to cleanse you; from
all your sins you shall be clean before The Lord.

. . . It is a sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall afflict yourselves; it
is a statute for ever.

. . . And the priest who is anointed and consecrated as priest in his father's
place shall make atonement, wearing the holy linen garments; he shall make
atonement for the sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tent of
meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and
for all the people of the assembly.

. . . And this shall be an everlasting statute for you, that atonement may be
made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins. And
Moses did as The Lord commanded him.

See also Lev 23:27-32, and Num 29:7

There are many more details to Yom Kippur than the above, but the rest
doesn't really matter all that much to Christians because the New Testament
only concerns itself with the ritual's limitations.

In the letter to Hebrews; it's explained that Yom Kippur's atonement is only
good for sins committed up to that point; i.e. the very moment that the high
priest completes the full and complete ritual, new sins immediately begin to
accumulate on the books that require cleansing by yet another Yom Kippur
ritual; and another, and another, and another, ad infinitum; viz: Yom
Kippur's atonement is never sufficient to cleanse sins once and for all. In
other words: Yom Kippur's atonement is always and only for cleansing the
people's past sins, never their future sins.


FYI: Never wish a Jewish person happy Yom Kippur because it is not a day of
joy like Christmas and birthdays, no, it is specifically a day of sadness and
self-affliction; which is from a Hebrew word meaning to mistreat, humiliate,
oppress, break the spirit, demean, abuse, weaken, injure, abase, etc.

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Of Babes And Bears

2Kgs 2:23-24 . . And [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he
was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and
mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald
head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the
name of The Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and
tare forty and two children of them.

It would appear from the 1611 KJV that Elisha was guilty of criminal child
abuse. But to begin with, there's two different Hebrew words translated
"children" in that passage.

In verse 23, the word is na` ar (nah'-ar) which has a pretty wide
application; and more than one meaning: 1) a boy from the age of infancy
to adolescence 2) a servant (of either gender) 3) a girl (of similar latitude in.
age as a boy)

The word in verse 24 is yeled (yeh'-led) which has even more latitude than
na` ar; and just simply means offspring, viz: the young of either man or
beast, e.g. Gen 30:26 where yeled indicates not only Jacob's sons, but also
his daughter Dinah. At 2Chron 10:8-10 yeled is the word for the young men
from whom Rehoboam sought counsel.

A far more rational scenario is that Elisha was accosted by a youth gang; not
by a posse of unsupervised little toddlers; as some have supposed. Youth
gangs can be dangerous at times; and Elisha was very lucky to get away
before they attacked him. The curse of the bears was obviously an act of self
defense. They ran interference for Elisha; distracting the youths; thus
creating an opportunity for Elisha to get away before the gang did more to
him than just taunting.

Here's a paraphrased way to look at it.

"From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road,
some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. Go on up, baldy; they
said. Let's see you go on up too, chrome dome. He turned around, glared at
them and called down a curse on them in the name of The Lord. Then two
bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths."


NOTE: The incident took place in the vicinity of Bethel; which, at the time,
hosted a school for prophets (2Kgs 2:3). I've heard it proposed that the
young men who accosted Elisha were disciples of false prophets hanging
around that area.


FYI: Until Christ returns to take the reins of this planet, there's always going
to exist an element out there that has made it their mission in life to stump
the Bible thumpers. Some have even gone to the trouble of writing books on
the subject; for example 101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible by Dr. Shabir
Ally. A response to Dr. Ally's book is located at the link below.

101 'Cleared-Up' Contradictions in the Bible

gluefox.com/min/contrad.htm

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Non Binary Identification

The non binary political movement consists of people who give no
importance to identifying one's self as either male or female, and prefer to
speak of themselves with neuter pronouns, for example: it, its, that, they,
and them.

I've no reservations whatsoever that humanity's creator regards non gender
people as freaks of nature; in other words: non gender people are not of His
making because His making was two genders: male and female.

Gen 1:27 . . God created Man in his own image, in the image of God
created He him; male and female created He them.

Matt 19:4 . . Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning
made them male and female?

If people can't agree with humanity's creator on something as elementary as
their gender designations as per Gen 1:27 and Matt 19:4, then I have to
assume that they disagree with Him on many other issues far more
important than that.

There's a term for people unable to accept themselves as the person they
really are. I think it might be called Dissociative Disorder. There was a time
when society confined people with those kinds of conditions to psychiatric
facilities for observation and therapy, but nowadays political correctness
requires that they be "included". But God-honoring Christian churches dare
not accept into their official membership roles someone known to be non
binary.

Heb 12:15 . . See to it that no one misses the grace of God, and that no
bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

A bitter root is one belonging to a species unfit for human consumption.
When you find noxious vegetation sprouting in your garden, you've got to
get out there with a hoe and dig that stuff up before it spreads out of
control.


NOTE: Prince Rogers Nelson (a.k.a. Prince the entertainer) at one time
decided he didn't want to be known by a name spelled with letters and so
created an unpronounceable symbol for himself; but of course he continued
to be known as Prince.

Point being: though non binary people wish not to be described as boys and
girls and/or men and women and/or males and females, they are still seen
that way by everybody else. The quest to disown their gender is not only a
fight against nature and common sense, but also a fight against God and
country. They might succeed in gaining a measure of legal protection; but
never in a million years will they gain people's honest respect; which is a
very good reason to disqualify non binary folk applying for the office of elder
in a Christian church.

1Tim 3:7 . . He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that
he will not fall into disgrace and into the Devil's trap.

A non binary Christian church elder would be seen by the world as a bona
fide hypocrite; which can be roughly defined as somebody who should be
standing for the Bible but at heart does not care to live by it. With a church
officer like that; you couldn't help but wonder where else they've
compromised the faith.

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Hope Defined

1Pet 3:15b . . Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks
you a reason of the hope that is in you.

The koiné Greek word for "hope" in that passage, and in others (e.g. Rom
8:23-25) is elpis (el-pece') which means expectation; viz: elpis isn't wishful
thinking, nor crossing your fingers, nor is it a blend of longing, insecurity,
and doubt; no, elpis is a confident kind of hope that looks forward to
something that it fully expects to obtain; ergo: elpis is an anticipating hope;
viz: it doesn't pray for the best, while in the back of its mind dreading the
worst.

The Bible says that elpis is a "calling"

Eph 4:5 . .you were called to one hope when you were called

When people aren't 110% sure what the afterlife has in store for them-- if
there is even the slightest possibility of disappointment --they can't possibly
comply with Peter's instructions for the simple reason that the hope that is in
them, if any, is the wrong kind of hope.

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Abraham And The Stars

Gen 15:4-5 . .The word of The Lord came to him in reply: That one shall
not be your heir; none but your very own issue shall be your heir. He took
him outside and said: Look toward heaven and count the stars, if you are
able to count them. And He added: So shall your offspring be.

In Abraham's day, prior to the invention of optics, the only stars that people
could see with their own eyes were those in our home galaxy; the Milky
Way; which consists of an estimated 100-400 billion stars. But many of
those estimated billions of stars appear to the naked eye not as stars but as
glowing clouds; viz: they cannot be individually distinguished by the naked
eye so those didn't matter to Abraham when it came to actually tallying the
heavens.

The entire global sky contains roughly five or six thousand stars visible to
the naked eye. However, we can't see all those stars at once; only the ones
when the sky is dark. So then; in Abraham's day, he could see at most three
thousand discernable stars from dark till dawn. God had said "if you are able
to count them". Well; even at only three thousand, the task would be
difficult.


FYI: Abraham's posterity exceeded three thousand long ago. By the time of
the Exodus, they numbered above six hundred thousand. (Ex 12:37)

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