Rapture ... soon?

[Ronald David Bruno]

Apocalyptic Prophecy is only found in Daniel and Revelation

Have to disagree with you on that. There are numerous apolcalyptic prophecies scattered throughout the Old and New Testaments:
Ezekiel 29:47-48, 37:5-6, 39:12; Zeph. 1:16-18, 2:1-3; Psalm 9:7, 11:6, 36:18-20; Isaiah 10:18, 13:9-13, 33:14; 24:17-22, 34:8-11, 66:15-16, 24; Zech. 12:9, 14:2-4, 12 ; Joel 2:1: 2, 3:12-14; Peter 3:7-10, Matt. 7:18, 19:28, Matt. 24, 25:46; Mark 13:24-27, John 5:28, 2 Thes. 2:8-9
Acts 1:11, Luke 3:9, Romans 11 ...

After the first resurrection, there's still saints on earth doing it the hard way. There's not another resurrection of the blessed and holy, they just die and each go strait to heaven.

Many die but some survive to repopulate the planet during the Millennial Kingdom. Then there will be a 2nd Ressurection.

 

[Rockerduck]

Have to disagree with you on that. There are numerous apolcalyptic prophecies scattered throughout the Old and New Testaments:
Ezekiel 29:47-48, 37:5-6, 39:12; Zeph. 1:16-18, 2:1-3; Psalm 9:7, 11:6, 36:18-20; Isaiah 10:18, 13:9-13, 33:14; 24:17-22, 34:8-11, 66:15-16, 24; Zech. 12:9, 14:2-4, 12 ; Joel 2:1: 2, 3:12-14; Peter 3:7-10, Matt. 7:18, 19:28, Matt. 24, 25:46; Mark 13:24-27, John 5:28, 2 Thes. 2:8-9
Acts 1:11, Luke 3:9, Romans 11 ...

Many die but some survive to repopulate the planet during the Millennial Kingdom. Then there will be a 2nd Ressurection.

Are referring to book of Revelation 1000 yrs rein? Why do read that literal? Its prophetic since nobody has figured out the horses yet. Very few things are obvious. There is no 1000 year period. When Jesus destroys the earth at His appearing, nothing is left. Hince, a new earth and new Heaven.

 

[Scott Downey]

Who is going to repopulate the destroyed, burned, and passed away first earth? As rev 21 calls it.
It is only restored by Christ, after the destruction, called the restoration of all things by Peter; and in the resurrection there are no marriages, so won't be babies. All the ungodly are gone to the Lake that burns with fire.
Acts 3
17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began. 22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days.

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People seem to forget the return of Christ at the rapture is also the resurrection of the dead.

 

[JohnDB]

Well
You all can argue this into next week....

And likely that will happen...

I really don't know what day God the Father has picked....if Jesus didn't say, who is Joel Osteen to ?

Besides, scripture is clear that "The Day of the Lord" is a horrible day/time period. People hurting, lost, confused, fearful, and etc. It's not a day of peace in any fashion.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Are referring to book of Revelation 1000 yrs rein? Why do read that literal? Its prophetic since nobody has figured out the horses yet. Very few things are obvious. There is no 1000 year period. When Jesus destroys the earth at His appearing, nothing is left. Hince, a new earth and new Heaven.

I am familiar with your Amillennial view , filled with flaws.

Are referring to book of Revelation 1000 yrs rein? Why do read that literal? Its prophetic since nobody has figured out the horses yet. Very few things are obvious. There is no 1000 year period. When Jesus destroys the earth at His appearing, nothing is left. Hince, a new earth and new Heaven.

A quick read of this may change your mind:

Thread 'The Millennial Kingdom' The Millennial Kingdom

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ can't judge the living and the dead at His appearing, unless they are resurrected.

2 Tim 4
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom:

John 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.

22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son​

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

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A Man Healed at the Pool of Bethesda - After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed...

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[Rockerduck]

I am familiar with your Amillennial view , filled with flaws.

A quick read of this may change your mind:

Thread 'The Millennial Kingdom' The Millennial Kingdom

Don't put tags on me or titles. I read the bible and have full understanding of the Gospel. I don't ascribe to titles from the past 200 years which mean nothing. The Bible does not say there is a millennial kingdom only how mankind "guesses" this is what Revelation 20 says.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt. 24:29-31

It appears that the Lord shows up after those events He mentioned, the "beginning of sorrows": wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilence, persecution, love will grow cold, false prophets, lawlessness ... Then the sun and moon are covered/ blocked a d don't give their light. What causes that? Likely smoke. Then the Lord shows up, the trumpet is blown and rapture happens.
Then the wrath comes, the war against God begins or continues ( whichever er way you perceive it.

> If the Rapture is accompanied by all these things, then it does not come before them.
Yet, hiw does one harmonize thus next passage with the above?

"For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. " Matt. 24:38-41

Here we have a sudden event, not preceded by anything out of the ordinary.

The only way I can harmonize this chapter is that upon His appearance _ on Jerusalem _ that part of the world (1/3) is ravished by war (at least Jerusalem is) and the skies are smoke filled- but the rest of the world is not. ???

 

[Scott Downey]

Don't put tags on me or titles. I read the bible and have full understanding of the Gospel. I don't ascribe to titles from the past 200 years which mean nothing. The Bible does not say there is a millennial kingdom only how mankind "guesses" this is what Revelation 20 says.

MY POV, is the 1000 year is ongoing continually in heaven with the departed saints ruling with Christ there, where He is right now at the Father's right hand, and that is where He will stay until the return.

There is nothing, ZERO, in Rev 20 that tells us where this rule is taking place. Nothing mentioned about on Earth.
How could Christ depart from the right hand of the Father and rule an earthly 1000 year kingdom??
He can't or the scripture is false, and Jesus said, scripture cannot be broken.

The 1000 years is symbolic of a long unknown time to us, cause we do not know when is the return of Christ.

But I know scripture in Acts 3 says heaven must hold Christ until the time of the restoration of all things, and for me that points to when God says in Rev 21 "Behold, I make all things new"

Christ also does not depart the Father's side at His right hand till all enemies are put under His feet, and we are told the last enemy to be destroyed is death when it is cast in the lake of fire.

In truth, when Christ returns, the Father is with Him still.
Which makes good sense as the last enemy, death, is still to be destroyed in a near future, after His coming again, after the Day of judgment.

Exodus 15:6
“Your right hand, O Lord, has become glorious in power; Your right hand, O Lord, has dashed the enemy in pieces.

Luke 22:69
Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.”

1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

Matthew 26:63-65
New King James Version
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”

64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!

Acts 2:33-35
New King James Version
33 Therefore being exalted [a]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

 

[Rockerduck]

MY POV, is the 1000 year is ongoing continually in heaven with the departed saints ruling with Christ there, where He is right now at the Father's right hand, and that is where He will stay until the return.

There is nothing, ZERO, in Rev 20 that tells us where this rule is taking place. Nothing mentioned about on Earth.
How could Christ depart from the right hand of the Father and rule an earthly 1000 year kingdom??
He can't or the scripture is false, and Jesus said, scripture cannot be broken.

The 1000 years is symbolic of a long unknown time to us, cause we do not know when is the return of Christ.

But I know scripture in Acts 3 says heaven must hold Christ until the time of the restoration of all things, and for me that points to when God says in Rev 21 "Behold, I make all things new"

Christ also does not depart the Father's side at His right hand till all enemies are put under His feet, and we are told the last enemy to be destroyed is death when it is cast in the lake of fire.

In truth, when Christ returns, the Father is with Him still.
Which makes good sense as the last enemy, death, is still to be destroyed in a near future, after His coming again, after the Day of judgment.

Exodus 15:6
“Your right hand, O Lord, has become glorious in power; Your right hand, O Lord, has dashed the enemy in pieces.

Luke 22:69
Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.”

1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

Matthew 26:63-65
New King James Version
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”

64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!

Acts 2:33-35
New King James Version
33 Therefore being exalted [a]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

I agree. It is that simple. When God's says go, Christ returns.

 

[PinSeeker]

The Bible does not say there is a millennial kingdom only how mankind "guesses" this is what Revelation 20 says.

The Bible ~ specifically Revelation 20:1-6, of course ~ does say, though, that there is a millennial period.

And Jesus says... said, actually, a bit over 2000 years ago now... that He is King. And that His kingdom is not of this world. Not "not in this world," but rather "not of this world" (an important distinction). Right?

So, He was then... and still is, of course... King. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8).

So... God's millennium is a thing, and Jesus's position as King is a thing... ergo, a millennial kingdom and a millennial reign. I think we all agree on that.

So then the only thing left, really, is to decide exactly when that is... <smile>

The only question to any of us now, then, is, Who is our King? Right now? Who is our King? I know who my King is, and I think everyone here does, too... <smile>

Grace and peace to you, RD.

 

[Rockerduck]

The Bible ~ specifically Revelation 20:1-6, of course ~ does say, though, that there is a millennial period.

And Jesus says... said, actually, a bit over 2000 years ago now... that He is King. And that His kingdom is not of this world. Not "not in this world," but rather "not of this world" (an important distinction). Right?

So, He was then... and still is, of course... King. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8).

So... God's millennium is a thing, and Jesus's position as King is a thing... ergo, a millennial kingdom and a millennial reign. I think we all agree on that.

So then the only think left, really, is to decide exactly when that is... <smile>

The only question to any of us now, then, is, Who is our King? Right now? Who is our King? I know who my King is, and I think everyone here does, too... <smile>

Grace and peace to you, RD.

If you can tell me who the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth is, then I'll believe the 1000 years rein. Prophesy is not literal it is symbolic. The book of Revelation is prophesy.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Bible ~ specifically Revelation 20:1-6, of course ~ does say, though, that there is a millennial period.

And Jesus says... said, actually, a bit over 2000 years ago now... that He is King. And that His kingdom is not of this world. Not "not in this world," but rather "not of this world" (an important distinction). Right?

So, He was then... and still is, of course... King. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8).

So... God's millennium is a thing, and Jesus's position as King is a thing... ergo, a millennial kingdom and a millennial reign. I think we all agree on that.

So then the only think left, really, is to decide exactly when that is... <smile>

The only question to any of us now, then, is, Who is our King? Right now? Who is our King? I know who my King is, and I think everyone here does, too... <smile>

Grace and peace to you, RD.

Yes the millennial kingdom is right now and forevermore, as He is king, having been given all power over earth and in heaven..
AND He has made us kings and priest unto God.

Greeting the Seven Churches​

4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

To Him who [b]loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us [c]kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, [d]the Beginning and the End,” says the [e]Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

 

[PinSeeker]

It appears that the Lord shows up after those events He mentioned, the "beginning of sorrows": wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilence, persecution, love will grow cold, false prophets, lawlessness...

And have those things not been happening for the last 2000 years? <smile> I mean if you're still looking for those things, maybe you should... pay more attention to what's going on around you... <smile>

...we have a sudden event, not preceded by anything out of the ordinary.

Right, it will be sudden, that's for sure. His return. Actually, though, I do think there will be a final conflict... and a significant ramping up of the what we have been experiencing... leading up to His return.

...part of the world (1/3) is ravished by war (at least Jerusalem is) and the skies are smoke filled- but the rest of the world is not. ???

I think it's the whole world; the "1/3" is not a section of the land but all the land but a fraction of the general population. And not literally 33.3333333333%. <smile>

Grace and peace to you, Ronald.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

his guy is FREAKING me out.

Wow so you all skeered now?

 

[PinSeeker]

If you can tell me who the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth is, then I'll believe the 1000 years reign.

I'm painting with pretty broad brush strokes, here, but... The "beast of the sea" is a counterfeit of Christ. He is "of the sea," so "arising" out of evil. As such, this beast represents persecuting power, especially the power of a demonized state. The "beast arising out of the earth" is synonymous with the "false prophet" of Revelation 16 and counterfeits the work of the Holy Spirit. He desires that people worship not himself, but the beast, just as the Holy Spirit glorifies Christ. Together, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet form an unholy trio (Revelation16:13)... they counterfeit the Holy Trinity.

Prophesy is not literal it is symbolic. The book of Revelation is prophesy.

Prophecy. Yes, agree. But John's Revelation is apocalyptic in genre, and that's not always true of prophecy.

Grace and peace to you both.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes the millennial kingdom is right now and forevermore, as He is king, having been given all power over earth and in heaven.

Well, right now, yes, but the millennium, the thousand years, will come to an end, and thus the millennial reign. But of course Jesus's reign will not come to and end... then will be His eternal reign.

...He has made us kings and priest unto God.

In the present millennium, yes, and for eternity.

Grace and peace!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Today is the 22nd of September 2025. Did the rapture take place yet so far?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

And have those things not been happening for the last 2000 years? <smile> I mean if you're still looking for those things, maybe you should... pay more attention to what's ÿ poo¹ on around you... <smile>

No, the gospel was not spread to every nation in any other generation, but now it has been. (Matt. 24:14)
Also the sun turning black as sackcloth and the moon not giving it's light sounds like an eclipse but maybe it will be due to massive amounts of smoke from Jerusalem being on fire to the extant that it hasn't been since 70 AD. A massive earthquake that kills 7,000 people hasn't happened.
I have been on the fence with this prophecy from the start but my doubts have increased for a few reasons - still hopeful though!
The setting of Jesus return and rapture happen as He described in Matthew 24. This prophecy will not be fulfilled in a couple of days - UNLESS JERUSALEM is severely attacked and not like any other time in history. An attack to such a degree that her Iron Dome is overwhelmed and everyone in the city is trying to escape as Jesus warned them to do. "“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes."

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Today is the 22nd of September 2025. Did the rapture take place yet so far?

Nope, I'm still here