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Live stream with Joshua on the Medic for Christ channel.


Joshua was late. Technical issues were blamed.

Livestream within a livestream with a Jerusalem time counter on Pistol Pete's channel:


24 Hour time zone map to see when Jerusalem is on the last day:

Joshua said he just had a vision that the rapture happened, it was at sunset in ................... and his internet went out. He seems to be using his phone as a mobile hot spot. Then then the Blonde lady started talking on and on and wouldn't let Joshua speak. LOL.

That was hilarious. Joshua was trying to say what time zone the rapture would be on sunset, and the blonde woman kept rambling about the sunrise in California. Lol.
 

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Guaranteed 100% it won’t happen this week or any other week.
Well, the sun and moon are still visible in Jerusalem. The stage doesn't seem to be set for it.
100 Shofars will blow tomorrow at I believe 11:15 AM Jerusalem time. Of course, the USA will be asleep. ( 3:15AM Texas time for me). This would go against Joshua's prediction though of it happening today in Jerusalem and on the 24th in other time zones.
>> Of course, this could happen tonight in Jerusalem and if it's just cloudy, the moon wouldn't be seen either<<

So, you claimed it would not happen this week! Okay, maybe so. BUT you added "or any other week" means you DO NOT BELIEVE He'll return _ in the same manner _ as He ascended???

And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:10-11
 
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Posting stuff on this forum is like rolling dice. People agree, but mostly disagree. No shame is suffered for merely sharing information. I'm not a Pastor or Professor leading people astray. No cost, no debt, no harm and no foul. This is just speculative stuff. Eschatology contains many views which are opposing - as we often end up with. Actually there are no qualified teachers on this forum that can influence me or anyone else. So lightened up.
Exactly: you are unteachable.

You reject the truth but are happy to promote false prophets on here. Are you willing to apologize when you are proved wrong?
 

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He ascends and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
When He returns, he appears again out of a cloud from heaven, visible to the entire world.
But it does not in the NT say Christ actually sets foot again on this 'first earth', read Revelation 21.

It says He destroys the world, first earth, in fire at His coming, it dissolves, melts in fervent heat, (2 Peter 3) and in the rapture we are caught up in the air to meet Him in the clouds.
Would make no sense at all to say Christ comes all the way down to earth and stands there burning unbelievers alive in fiery wrath of God.
And supposedly, according to Revelation, the only unbelieving people left alive on this first earth right before His returning are all worshipping the dragon, and none of them are repenting and believing in Christ. Therefore, all of the unbelieving world will die in fire at His return. Which fully agrees with John the Baptist a great OT prophet and Christ's teaching. such as the wheat and tares.

Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [a]and fire. 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Matthew 13, and age is world in the KJV
Jesus here is describing when the end comes, called also the 'Last Day'.

The Parable of the Tares Explained​

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.

39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age (world), and the reapers are the angels.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age (world). 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

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The only place where we read about the glorified, all powerful, Christ on the earth again in the NT, is in Rev 21 and the Holy City, the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven onto the NEW earth, not the 'first earth' where God will dwell with His people.

I honestly believe the New Testament gives us a clearer and more relevant image of what happens in the future than what is found in the Old Testament.
 
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Its Tuesday.....3 down....4 to go.
 

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Some people base all of their end times doctrine on a secret return of Christ with a secret rapture of all living believers.
BUT, how can this return even be a secret, as all the dead are raised first?

People will have been experiencing terrifying events, signs in the sun, moon, stars right before Christ appears.
To the unbelieving, seeing the dead come forth from tombs, will be terrifying in the extreme.

AND this, you do realize for the dead to come forth from tombs on this earth, it is required that tombs exist on the earth, meaning the resurrection of the just and the unjust must happen before the world is burned in fiery heat and dissolved.

There are a lot of pieces to this puzzle, but you can with understanding from the scriptures fit them properly together.
If that conflicts with what you think is real, then conform your mind to what the Word says.

John 5
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.


The return of Christ is always described as highly visible all, including the wicked, and the just, the only secret thing about it, is the DAY He comes back. Specifically, it says every eye shall see Him.

Example

Revelation 6

Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances​

12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [g]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
 
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It seems to me that Revelation 6:12-17, the resurrection and rapture has occurred, all God's people are with Him in the air, the Face of God looks down on them and they are all terrified. Because at this point the only ones left on the earth are about to experience His wrath as in be incinerated, and judged.

This is the Last Day and Day of judgment for this first earth.
 
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In the news, and this false prophet caused a few people to sell all their stuff

A South African pastor’s apocalyptic prophecy has sparked widespread panic—and ridicule—across social media, as some Christians brace for the Rapture to take place today.

The viral claim by Joshua Mhlakela, who says Jesus personally revealed the date of his return in a divine vision, has led some followers to sell possessions and prepare for what they believe is the end of days.


Why It Matters​

During the Rapture, as many evangelical Christians believe, Jesus will return to take true believers to heaven before a period of tribulation on earth.

The term “rapture” does not appear in the Bible, but the concept is largely based on interpretations of passages such as 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.

Pre-tribulationists believe the Rapture will occur before a period of global tribulation, while post-tribulationists expect it to follow that period.


Stock image: Inside the Castle Church in Wittenberg, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany

Stock image: Inside the Castle Church in Wittenberg, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany© Getty Images

What To Know​

The phenomenon, which has gained momentum through TikTok under the hashtag #RaptureTok, centers around Mhlakela’s assertion that the Rapture, when faithful Christians will be taken up to heaven, will align with the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah, which falls on September 23 and 24 this year.


The prediction has prompted a wide range of reactions, from genuine spiritual anticipation to open skepticism from religious scholars and mainstream pastors.

Mhlakela first shared his prophecy in an interview with Centtwinz TV that was posted on YouTube, saying Jesus had appeared to him and declared that he would “come to take my church” on September 23 or 24, 2025. The dates align with Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year.

This assertion, though not grounded in any definitive scriptural timeline, resonated widely—particularly among evangelical TikTok users.

Some pointed to signs in Revelation 12 and various astrological alignments involving the constellations Virgo and Leo as evidence that prophecy was being fulfilled.

The viral spread of Mhlakela’s prediction has been met with both belief and backlash. TikTok creator @sonj779 has posted “Rapture Trip Tips,” encouraging viewers to buy new underwear so their “last impression” isn’t an old pair.


What People Are Saying​

Joshua Mhlakela, the pastor who popularized the September 23 theory, said: “The Rapture is upon us. Whether you are ready or you are not ready, the rapture in 14 days from now is going to take place.”

He added: “There’s a storm brewing right now. It’s brewing, and it’s dark. And I’ll tell you this: No human being on this earth is ready for what is coming. … I’m a billion percent sure.”

What Happens Next​

While the Rapture has not materialized despite numerous historical predictions, its allure remains potent for some believers, especially when bolstered by perceived celestial and scriptural signs.
 

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Exactly: you are unteachable.

You reject the truth but are happy to promote false prophets on here. Are you willing to apologize when you are proved wrong?
Not promoting anything. Just in my anticipation of the Lord's soon return ( unlike yours), I sifted through many false manufactured AI claims and came up with one real person that seemed sincere and shared it. I stated that I wasn't sure about it , still ain't; but asked for Pre-Millennials input. I also requested Amillennials to take a hike but obviously they couldn't resist ... and here you are.
 

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HAHA!
The name of God and the faith can be blasphemed because of these things

But here below, this is accurate.

People on the internet were not the only ones to call out Rapture conspiracy theories. Whoopi Goldberg shut down the idea during Monday's episode of The View.

Her co-host Sunny Hostin had spoken about how her make-up artist said she was afraid of the Rapture and believed it was happening during the eclipse.

But Goldberg was having none of it.

"They've known about the eclipse coming because eclipses happen and they actually can say when these things are gonna happen," she said, and added: "So all these folks who are saying, you know, it's a sign from God—God doesn't give you warning. OK? You think he gave people at the Tower of Babel a warning? 'Oh, I'm about to jack y'all up.' No!"
 

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The term “rapture” does not appear in the Bible
Harpazo is there, which means to seize, snatch take away, be caught up ... and in our case, in the clouds. The Rapture is the resurrection! The dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are still alive will be caught up. Capesce?
Joshua Mhlakela, the pastor who popularized the September 23 theory,
Did you watch the video? You are reporting from a different, second hand source BECAUSE in his interview, he claims not to be a pastor, just a regular Christian, born again.
Nevertheless, the clock is ticking and ...
at midnight Jerusalem time, if it does 't happen, you can celebrate our loss and prepare your insults. Prepare your rebukes ... don't hold back ...get mean now, come down hard on us for desiring Jesus' return to fix this screwed up evil world!
 

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In that case since things like that do indeed happen on YouTube all the time, I guess this means they are laughing all the way to the bank and couldn't care less about a rapture, since they won't be able to enjoy spending all of that money on worldly things if they are removed from the planet instead.

False teachers won't be taken in the rapture so they'll be free to spend that money on whatever it is false teachers like to spend money on.




The term “rapture” does not appear in the Bible

Neither does trinity
 

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Harpazo is there, which means to seize, snatch take away, be caught up ... and in our case, in the clouds. The Rapture is the resurrection! The dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are still alive will be caught up. Capesce?

Did you watch the video? You are reporting from a different, second hand source BECAUSE in his interview, he claims not to be a pastor, just a regular Christian, born again.
Nevertheless, the clock is ticking and ...
at midnight Jerusalem time, if it does 't happen, you can celebrate our loss and prepare your insults. Prepare your rebukes ... don't hold back ...get mean now, come down hard on us for desiring Jesus' return to fix this screwed up evil world!
None of that justifies promoting the idea God told somebody a date, that God has already said He won't do.

Never is a date specified for any man to know anything that is the determined by the Father's authority.
We are always warned against such a thing.

Acts 1:7
And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

We are warned that there is an end date, but we will never know what it is.

And in the wisdom of God for us, that is a very excellent thing.

Anyone saying otherwise, God will prove as a liar.
 
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Not promoting anything. Just in my anticipation of the Lord's soon return ( unlike yours), I sifted through many false manufactured AI claims and came up with one real person that seemed sincere and shared it. I stated that I wasn't sure about it , still ain't; but asked for Pre-Millennials input. I also requested Amillennials to take a hike but obviously they couldn't resist ... and here you are.
Yes, because you do not like your folly being challenged. This is why many have run from Pretrib. They are constantly bring such nonsense to the table yet none of them ever repent for their deception and foolishness.
 
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False teachers won't be taken in the rapture so they'll be free to spend that money on whatever it is false teachers like to spend money on.






Neither does trinity
Trinity truth is written throughout the NT. Where is 1 single rapture passage that teaches a 7 yr trib following followed by a 3rd coming?

Exactly! It is not there.
 
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This truth is from ancient days long past and consistent through all time.

Deuteronomy 29:29
“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.



 

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I am not or have been unjust in anything I said here. I said consistently there will be no rapture this week, and showed by the scripture how any such claim is untrue.

Maybe some are sore cause there has been no rapture this week.

A rapture this week would save me a lot of worldly headaches, happy to be taken up to be with the Lord in the air and be delivered forever from worldly trials, but the way I read scripture it won't happen secretly, and it won't happen until certain things happen, and anyone who says such and such day and time, I immediately know is a lie. Because that Day will be one Day known to the Lord alone, and no man.
 
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