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You are avoiding the meaning of musterion. It refers to something not previous revealed. Not taught, not portrays, or hinted at. Not revealed until that time when it is.
Your meaning, yes. Well, not avoiding, but dismissing. Actually, even 'dismissing' may be too strong a word. It's great that you use these ten dollar words, but the mysteries of God are not un-understandable. <smile>
So you think; I get it.
Heh, heh. Okay, thanks. <smile>
Ah, well, right back atcha, except I would say "...were not in fact previously revealed." They were revealed in... lesser (although you may not quite get my use of that word)... ways, but revealed they were. Lesser, meaning in types and shadows, not yet the full manifestation of these things, but a foreshadowing of them. With regard to Jesus's return, I would point out one of my favorite passages in all of Scripture, Isaiah 35:
I wouldn't be surprised if you actually know this, the way you avoid it. Or rather, dismiss it. Great way to learn Scripture, by dismissing the meanings of the words God inspired because they don't agree with your view! (Not.)
Again, I don't. But just regarding your particular understanding of them.
No, not that... <chuckles>
Actually I never thought about doing that. I might try it for an experiment. A couple of them seem smart. I might toggle the ignore button for the duration of this thread.
I was disappointed, relieved and confused. It was a cornucopia of conflicting emotions. I have two goldfish. I did not flush them. I bought them an automatic fish feeder. They like it. It's a very good unit. They are big boys. One is a Black Moor, the other is a Red Oranda.
From the latest information I have, Joshua didn't apologise. He didn't have an explanation. He is as confused as we are. It couldn't be a vision from Satan, Joshua speaks Jesus' Name interchangeably with God's.
It might be possible at this time, that Joshua does not understand what is happening. I was thinking of letting your post be the last, congratulations on a popular thread. 2000 views! But for you and the other people that are sincerely following along with the thread, there has been some new information to consider. Like how you were saying Joshua seemed like a nice, genuine Christian who knew his scriptures, I agree. He always seemed sincere. He acted as someone who had seen a vision from God, as crazy as that seems. Many are still in agreement with this, even at this time. It's perplexing. He still insists that his visions are true. Jesus told him He's coming to do the Exodus on the Feast of Trumpets 2025. He didn't give the time zone or the day or the date. We filled that in ourselves. Mike at Medic said: "Jerusalem is God's clock. We assumed it.
I'm sure you guys have had enough. But there's a couple things stuck in my mind. During this deal I came across someone saying the Feast of Trumpets was on October 7. I googled around and found that was the Day of Atonement. Then I forgot about it. I dismissed it. Even when all this began, that's all I do is search for the date on the net. And then I go with that like everyone else. I assume the Jews must know when their Feast Days are taking place. Or do they? There's been a lot of water pass under the calendrical bridge since the instructions were given in Leviticus.
The only Feast I have ever investigated, and done the Biblical count for with my own two eyes, was Passover. I don't really care to dispute what anyone else thinks about it, I remember discussing it with buddy here over multiple threads and years about 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth, and it didn't produce any good fruit. But what I know for certainty, and what is also confirmed by the two best Bible calendrical guys who have ever lived, is that there were two Passovers being observed during Passion week.
Jesus and His disciples were observing conjunction on a Thursday Passover beginning on Wednesday at sundown, the Passover of the Jews was on Friday at sundown. The Jews were rushing to bury Jesus before sundown when their erroneous Passover would begin, Jesus already ate His true Passover a day earlier. Jesus was Crucified on Friday April 7. 30AD. That also happened to be a full moon. Jesus' Last Supper is counted from the new moon of the preceding month.
Taking that into account, I'm never really that impressed with those scenes yesterday of the Orthodox Jews pacing back and forth outside their temple wall during the Feast of Trumpets. If the Jews in Jesus' time were wrong about the correct date for Passover, could the Jews of our time be off with the Feast of Trumpets 2025? Check it out..
Maybe with that in mind, have a look and see what you think of this video. This guy thinks that the Feast of Trumpets is actually going to start on October 7 this year. I already searched and do not find a solar eclipse in 30AD, but I still found it interesting that there was a full moon on Good Friday. We might find out more as we go. If this is true, it would go a long way to explain Joshua's demeanor at this time.
It would be funny if Joshua is Still Right. This video I post for is informational purposes only. I do not promote, or intend to teach calendrical doctrine. Do your own due diligence.
You were fortunate enough to know about the Rapture as a child. Those who are left behind will likely get a cold chill up their spine. When the Church is taken, the Restrainer will be taken out of the way. The Holy Spirit restrains evil and certainly works through His Church to restrain evil. Evil will be unleashed when this happens - a scary thought.
We figure if a Solar Eclipse occurred on the day Jesus was crucified, and that was on Nissan 14, then a full moon could only have been on the 1st. However, there is no record of any solar eclipses between 30 -34 AD that were visible in Jerusalem. Besides, the sun goes dark for only a few minutes - not three hours. It must have been just a supernatural event caused by God. Still, the definition of a new moon as being full seems clear in Psalm 81:3.
Thats happened, the man of sin reigns even now, however we still dont know exactly Jesus will return. I always thought 2025 is a good year, but nobody knows. Its nearer than it was 2000 yrs ago which began the last time.
Hello Marks,
I don't think living in fear of a rapture is a blessing.
The resurrection is our blessed hope. Faith overcomes fear. You should be certain about your salvation. Jesus promised if you believe in Him, you are saved. Not maybe if you do this or that. It is not based on our works/ merit.I don't think living in fear of a rapture is a blessing.
The problem isn't the rapture part, it's the holiness doctrines that have people constantly second-guessing whether they're "saved" at any given moment.
That is concerning that there are so many gullible people out there. That is a serious problem. Scripture is clear that no one knows the day or hour and that He will come as a thief in the night, so it's utterly foolish for anyone to think that they know what day He is coming again.
Why would anyone care what such a misguided person has to say? This makes no sense.
You guys have no shame. Anyone else would be embarrassed or remorseful. But no. You just go on as if you did not promote this folly.
I would view it as premature for you to require him to ask for forgiveness, therefore without a review of the evidence, it may be your view that is false, your assessment which is erroneous, that there's an implied accusation he makes that Jesus is a liar. Heaven forbid! I hate when guys even print the text that Jesus, or God is a liar. And you made me do it again. Let God be true and everyman a liar.
Actually I never thought about doing that. I might try it for an experiment. A couple of them seem smart. I might toggle the ignore button for the duration of this thread.
I was disappointed, relieved and confused. It was a cornucopia of conflicting emotions. I have two goldfish. I did not flush them. I bought them an automatic fish feeder. They like it. It's a very good unit. They are big boys. One is a Black Moor, the other is a Red Oranda.
From the latest information I have, Joshua didn't apologise. He didn't have an explanation. He is as confused as we are. It couldn't be a vision from Satan, Joshua speaks Jesus' Name interchangeably with God's.
It might be possible at this time, that Joshua does not understand what is happening. I was thinking of letting your post be the last, congratulations on a popular thread. 2000 views! But for you and the other people that are sincerely following along with the thread, there has been some new information to consider. Like how you were saying Joshua seemed like a nice, genuine Christian who knew his scriptures, I agree. He always seemed sincere. He acted as someone who had seen a vision from God, as crazy as that seems. Many are still in agreement with this, even at this time. It's perplexing. He still insists that his visions are true. Jesus told him He's coming to do the Exodus on the Feast of Trumpets 2025. He didn't give the time zone or the day or the date. We filled that in ourselves. Mike at Medic said: "Jerusalem is God's clock. We assumed it.
I'm sure you guys have had enough. But there's a couple things stuck in my mind. During this deal I came across someone saying the Feast of Trumpets was on October 7. I googled around and found that was the Day of Atonement. Then I forgot about it. I dismissed it. Even when all this began, that's all I do is search for the date on the net. And then I go with that like everyone else. I assume the Jews must know when their Feast Days are taking place. Or do they? There's been a lot of water pass under the calendrical bridge since the instructions were given in Leviticus.
The only Feast I have ever investigated, and done the Biblical count for with my own two eyes, was Passover. I don't really care to dispute what anyone else thinks about it, I remember discussing it with buddy here over multiple threads and years about 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth, and it didn't produce any good fruit. But what I know for certainty, and what is also confirmed by the two best Bible calendrical guys who have ever lived, is that there were two Passovers being observed during Passion week.
Jesus and His disciples were observing conjunction on a Thursday Passover beginning on Wednesday at sundown, the Passover of the Jews was on Friday at sundown. The Jews were rushing to bury Jesus before sundown when their erroneous Passover would begin, Jesus already ate His true Passover a day earlier. Jesus was Crucified on Friday April 7. 30AD. That also happened to be a full moon. Jesus' Last Supper is counted from the new moon of the preceding month.
Taking that into account, I'm never really that impressed with those scenes yesterday of the Orthodox Jews pacing back and forth outside their temple wall during the Feast of Trumpets. If the Jews in Jesus' time were wrong about the correct date for Passover, could the Jews of our time be off with the Feast of Trumpets 2025? Check it out..
Maybe with that in mind, have a look and see what you think of this video. This guy thinks that the Feast of Trumpets is actually going to start on October 7 this year. I already searched and do not find a solar eclipse in 30AD, but I still found it interesting that there was a full moon on Good Friday. We might find out more as we go. If this is true, it would go a long way to explain Joshua's demeanor at this time.
It would be funny if Joshua is Still Right. This video I post for is informational purposes only. I do not promote, or intend to teach calendrical doctrine. Do your own due diligence.
LOL. Yeah, just keep changing the date over and over again until the rapture actually happens and you might eventually be right. Hilarious.
