Rapture ... soon?

[Scott Downey]

Isaac Newton would have repeated the same line here 300 years later...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. -Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

Preachers who predicted Rapture try to explain why nothing happened

Christians are hearing from the pastor and other influencers who claimed the world was coming to an end after their biblical predictions failed to come true.

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They believe a lie when some 'prophet' tells them what they want to hear.
But they don't believe what Christ said already.
And He is not telling anyone the Day.

That Day is one of the secret things that belong to the Lord.

 

[soberxp]

I can predict the 25th. It's impossible.

 

[marks]

No, it is embarrassing to see people still trying to find a way how it could work, after it failed miserably. This inability to accept/admit reality and endless speculations is why people get fed up and leave futurism and namely dispensationalism completely.

Why don't you just let it sleep. He was wrong like so many before him and like so many that will come after him. No need to be his advocate.

Time shows all things. All we need do is wait, and we'll know one way or the other.

Much love!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Why don't you just let it sleep.

"But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief.
5) You are all sons of light and sons of day; we are not of night, nor of darkness.
6) So then, we should not sleep, as the rest also do, but we should watch and be sober."

 

[David in NJ]

And which bible verse was it again that said "if thou believest in the pre-trib rapture thou shalt surly burrneth in helleth"?

I need to update my notes with a bible verse that says this is salvation critical so please let me know as soon as you can.

Always return to TRUTH = Thy Word is TRUTH"

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. - Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[David in NJ]

Time shows all things. All we need do is wait, and we'll know one way or the other.

Much love!

Or you can take the HIGH ROAD of TRUTH and KNOW the TRUTH

The One Way that JESUS Says to follow Him on = Matthew ch24 , John 17:17 , Proverbs 30:5-6

A.) Matthew ch24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days....I Come to gather My Elect"

B.) John 17:17 - Thy Word is Truth"

C.) Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

 

[marks]

Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Yes, all should pay close attention to God's Word, and to not think more highly of them self they they ought.

Much love!

 

[Davidpt]

Yes! Hello!

And what happens on that day according to the Bible? Does that even matter to Pretribbers? Do you actually read what you quote before presenting it?

Sudden destruction, and they shall not escape. It is the end! There is not imaginary 7 years trib as you have been taught. That is fiction from the Left Behind series. It is not taught in God's Book. That is why Pretribbers cannot provide one single proof text.

It wouldn't surprise me if the mindset of Pretribbers is like such, that they interpret it like such---For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them in the form of the beginning of great tribulation, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape the great tribulation that follows.

Which of course makes nonsense out of that verse if trying to understand it in that manner since 2 Peter 3:10-12 could not possibly, not remotely, be meaning the beginning of great tribulation.
As if the day of the Lord meant in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 is not the same day of the Lord meant in 2 Peter 3:10-12. As if there are two different day of the Lord that come like a thief in the night rather than just one.

After all, we clearly know the DOTL is meant in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 based on what 1 Thessalonians 5:2 records.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Compare with---

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


This is merely a coincidence, right, that both passages record the following except both passages are not involving the same DOTL?---For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night---But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night

It literally, seriously, can not get any plainer nor clearer than this, both passages are involving the same DOTL. But since when do any Pretribbers ever argue that 2 Peter 3:10 is meaning the beginning of great tribulation? And since none of them do, or at least none that I'm aware of, why in the world would they then argue that the DOTL meant in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 is the beginning of great tribulation? So that they can be the ones fulfilling what Paul said not to do in 2 Thessalonians 2:3--- Let no man deceive you by any means? Like that would be a good idea to do. IOW, not that anyone is trying to deceive Pretribbers, but that Pretribbers are trying to deceive others into buying what they bought into, the false teaching of Pretrib.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Always return to TRUTH = Thy Word is TRUTH"

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. - Proverbs 30:5-6

That does not answer the question.... where does God's Word state that if you don't believe p;perfectly correct concerning the catching away of the church you will burn in hell for all eternity?

What chapter and verse is that?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Mark 13

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

That right there is where everyone should STOP trying to guess when the rapture will happen.

They don't because apparently they don't believe what Jesus said and consider some of His statements to be lies.

 

[WPM]

That does not answer the question.... where does God's Word state that if you don't believe p;perfectly correct concerning the catching away of the church you will burn in hell for all eternity?

What chapter and verse is that? View attachment 70600

Where did he say otherwise?

 

[WPM]

"But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief.
5) You are all sons of light and sons of day; we are not of night, nor of darkness.
6) So then, we should not sleep, as the rest also do, but we should watch and be sober."

Where does it say to date-set?

When are you going to repent?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Where did he say otherwise?

I'm speaking concerning those that do not believe what Jesus said about this and try to set dates.

 

[Davidpt]

Something to keep in mind here per the OP. This Joshua person wasn't attempting to predict when the one and only rapture recorded in the Bible would take place, which would be bad enough if he had. He was attempting to predict when the rapture found nowhere in all of the Bible was to take place.

Even if it was possible, though it clearly isn't, to predict when the one and only rapture recorded in the Bible would take place, and that one was correct about it, it would never be possible to predict when the rapture found nowhere in all of the Bible would take place.

Therefore, it is in vain to even try, since it is illogical to predict when something that is never going to take place to begin with, is going to take place. Equally, it is in vain for anyone to even be entertaining anyone attempting to do this.

And besides, the following undeniably 100% debunks Pretrib all by itself---1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, since these have to be meaning the same DOTL, and not even Pretribbers are going to argue, or at least none I'm aware of, that 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning the beginning of great tribulation.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

He was attempting to predict when the rapture found nowhere in all of the Bible was to take place.

But, the Bible does teach there will be a catching away of the body of Christ.

Looks like you left out what the Lord said about the rapture in 2nd Thessalonians

 

[David in NJ]

That does not answer the question.... where does God's Word state that if you don't believe p;perfectly correct concerning the catching away of the church you will burn in hell for all eternity?

What chapter and verse is that? View attachment 70600

That does not answer the question.... where does God's Word state that if you don't believe p;perfectly correct concerning the catching away of the church you will burn in hell for all eternity?

What chapter and verse is that? View attachment 70600

Take the HIGH ROAD of TRUTH and KNOW the TRUTH

The One Way that JESUS Says to follow Him on = Matthew ch24 , John 17:17 , Proverbs 30:5-6

A.) Matthew ch24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days....I Come to gather My Elect"

B.) John 17:17 - Thy Word is Truth"

C.) Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Take the HIGH ROAD of TRUTH and KNOW the TRUTH

The One Way that JESUS Says to follow Him on = Matthew ch24 , John 17:17 , Proverbs 30:5-6

A.) Matthew ch24 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days....I Come to gather My Elect"

B.) John 17:17 - Thy Word is Truth"

C.) Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

That does not answer the question.... where does God's Word state that if you don't believe perfectly correct concerning the catching away of the church you will burn in hell for all eternity?

If you don't know where this can be found in God's Word, just say so.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, all should pay close attention to God's Word, and to not think more highly of them self they they ought.

Much love!

Like the proud who prophesying falsely = "anyday now"

Yet the Truth remains in the Mouth of God and His holy prophets who prophesy according to CHRIST:

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days..............I Come and gather My elect"

 

[Davidpt]

But, the Bible does teach there will be a catching away of the body of Christ.

Looks like you left out what the Lord said about the rapture in 2nd Thessalonians

How do you figure I left it out if the rapture meant in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 is meaning the same rapture meant in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, per my understanding of these things?. Thus the one and only rapture.


And what about this passage?

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


One is to believe that the dead in Christ that rise first don't fulfill any of these verses the moment they rise? One is to believe that 1 Corinthians 15:52 is meaning before great tribulation rather than after great tribulation? Unless this same change also happens to those raptured per 1 Thessalonians 4:17., this indicates that the ones being raptured remain in a mortal bodily state in the meantime, since it is impossible to put on bodily immortality prior to the sounding of the last trump.

Therefore, per Pretrib, Pretribbers would be being translated into heaven in the same mortal bodies they were in when they were raptured, unless Pretribbers argue 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 is meaning before great tribulation and can then prove it with Scripture. Good luck proving that with scripture, in the event any Pretribbers argue that 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 is meaning before great tribulation rather than after. Not to mention, what about the 7 trumpets recorded in Revelation? How can it mean the last trump in 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 unless there are no other trumps that follow it?

 

[David in NJ]

That does not answer the question.... where does God's Word state that if you don't believe perfectly correct concerning the catching away of the church you will burn in hell for all eternity?

Why would i look for a non-existent scripture that you made up in your mind???

i NEVER said that if you believe in pre-trib you go to hell = this came from you!!!