Rapture ... soon?
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would you be one of the people that try's to read the book Rev. literally ? you're wanting to say Michael does not refer to Jesus ,then to learn what the name Michael means ......i ask ,who is more like God than Jesus ?
All JW's should identify themselves in their profile- it would save the rest of us lots of time.
why do you fear the JW's?
evidently that book Rev. is w a y over your head .
i found it interesting the name Jesus is found something like 7 times in the whole book and yet he is referred to many,many more times .
No fear! I told you, I have JWs in my family. I know and love them. I know their theology. I have had many, many conversations with them. Even the Elders have attempted hours of debates with me, back and forth. It is just an exercize in futility. So we do not talk Bible and we get along. I've just learned not to bother and we just live.
Revelation 1:5 KJV
5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Jesus Christ, not Michael.
Much love!
Why are you afraid?
Deflection comes in many styles, does it not?
Much love!
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They are a closed circuit, not interested in even considering our theology, because THEY THINK THEY KNOW THE TRUTH. If their whole theology was from God, the Holy Spirit would have enlightened and grown their church by hundreds of millions, even billions . Since Charles Taze Russell, in over hundred years, they only have a mere 8+ million. That does not reflect the power of God. In 1900, there were 500 million Christians and now there are 2.7 billion who claim faith in Jesus - that's growth, that is the power of God. As if God would let his Church drift off the path for 1800 years and decide to fix it by sending Charles Taze Russell - that is pathetic and sad that they bought into it. In the US alone, they knock on doors for two hundred million hours per year with barely any fruit to show for their efforts - because God is not growing the seeds they are scattering. A relative of mine, a lovely woman, unselfish, has a genuine heart of a servant. In 50 years of knocking on door sand handing out Watchtower mags, she cannot recall 1 convert that has joined a JW Kingdom Hall due to her ministry. And her response is, "narrow is the path"! Dang, it's not that narrow. Narrow means about I in 3 saved, not 1 in 900. It is like wanting to be a farmer planting a million seeds scatter over acres and nothing grows. You continue again the next year and again no fruit if your labor. How can you keep that up? They are forced to conform to this works program. It's a works oriented faith. They believe salvation is earned by obedience, like the Jews by trying to keep the Law. And still they do not I t believe they are saved now. They think MAYBE after the Millennial Kingdom they will be.
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The archangel. There is only one archangel, that's intrinsic to the name.
Just the same,
Revelation 1:5 KJV
5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
This revelation is from Jesus Christ, Who is called the "faithful witness". You are saying Michael is really the one being referred to here, who speaks from heaven, and lies? Pretends to be "Jesus", who doesn't actually exist, except as a temporary persona of Michael?
I'm sorry, but I'm going to believe the Bible. Jesus ascended to heaven, Jesus died on the cross, Jesus was born to Mary, Jesus, Who was previously knows as The Messenger of YHWH. Michael, a created being, was in fact created by . . . Jesus.
Much love!
In Christianity? No, we do not have "patron saints". We pray to the Father in Jesus. We trust in Jesus for our salvation. Not Michael, who is another created being as are we.
Much love!
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did he ? are you sure about that ? there is evidence that it was a pole , no cross bar to stretch out his arms as so often as portrayed . not saying no one was ever hung up that way ,which explains the confusion . but as for Jesus ,no . he and the other two men had to be dead that very day . sorry ,,,,thats not the way it works when hung on a cross .
Let's not get sidetracked on what form the stauros was.
Let's stay on track. Jesus, not Michael, is in heaven, the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega. Jesus created Michael. Not the other way around. That's blasphemy.
Revelation 1:5 KJV
5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
This revelation is from Jesus Christ, Who is called the "faithful witness".
Much love!
I've edited my post for accuracy.
Meanwhile, Jesus prayed to the Father of course. He took on all the aspects of being human except for the corruption of sin.
Philippians 2:8 KJV
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Remember how C.S. Lews wrote that Jesus would have to be either a liar, a lunatic, or God Himself, because of what He said about Himself?
Kind of the same thing applies here. If Jesus "became obedient", then you are faced with this fact. That before this, He was either disobedient, or sovereign. So which do you think is the correct answer?
Much love!
Michael the Great Prince Stands Up “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people.”—DANIEL 12:1.
how many are there that are known to be the prince ?
You will not respond to my posts, but you expect me to respond to yours?
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