Real Faith vs Broken faith

[Behold]

What sort of "free gift" is that? (extortion)

Most Christians.....do not understand The Cross........ or "The Gift of Righteousness"., that is the "Blood Atonement" and the "New Covenant".

Here is where they lost the Track (generously assuming they are on it).

it happens not long after the believer believes, and are born again.
And they are caused to misunderstand their Salvation. BY... the principal ministry of the Devil, regarding a Christian, which is to ruin your faith.
Its to keep you from the correct understanding of what it means to be "made righteous", = How and Why.

Reader, Here is one of the ways, that you spot a person who might be saved......yet they have no understanding of God's Salvation that has been given to them, based on their ....."faith being counted by God" .....as providing all that God requires so that God then gives them His Son's Salvation.
See, Salvation is what Jesus "finished" on the Cross, as He Said "IT is Finished" from the Cross.
We dont finish it.... He already did........we RECEIVE IT.. as "the Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness" and "The Gift of Eternal Life".

So, what most Christians are not understanding........and here is how you spot them........they will say....>.

1.) "You can lose your salvation"........as if YOU are responsible for it, vs God delivering it to you from THE CROSS, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

So, when they have that type of broken faith (non understanding of their Salvation,) .. then what they falsely believe is salvation is, their Discipleship, and that is why they think they can "lose it".. as they know they have not been a perfect disciple.

See, once you are trying to stay saved, and not lose your salvation, then the Devil has blinded you, and ruined your faith.
How does he do this? He does it by convincing you....which is "mind blindness" "deception".. and he'll use your own confusion against you, or he'll bring a confuser to you, from a commentary, or from an online site.. like a Christian forum... or from a Pulpit, or TV ministry, or from a terrible bible version.......such as the NIV.

Listen,
Discipleship is what we do, because we are ALREADY Eternally saved.... having Eternal life.
And we got this Eternal life that is our Salvation, that is our forgiveness of sin.... "while we were yet sinners"., and BELIEVED.

And now that we have been eternally accepted by God, through the Cross of Christ, based on God accepting our Faith... we are now and forever become an "Heir of God" and a "Joint Heir with Jesus'.........and we exist "IN Christ" as "one with God" = Born again, into the KOG.
This is why a real bible says that all CHRISTians are "seated in Heavenly Places in Christ".....right now.

See that? God did all that for the born again BELIEVERs... , and that is not a water baptized religious fakir who uses the bible to try to dispute it, or falsely accuse God.
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And now that we are become born again, as "the righteousness of God in Christ".........we then proceed to learn how to live a Godly Life, as a Christian. = our Discipleship.

A famous Christian once wrote/said..... ""Jesus became my sin, and i became His Righteousness"".

And that is a fact, regarding """all who call on the name of Jesus.....shall be Saved"""".. and are..... forever.. "not by our works but according to God's mercy = HE saved us".

So, if you are trying to do that for yourself.. if you are trying to keep yourself saved, or you are trying not to lose your salvation.... then your understanding of Salvation is broken.
Your faith is Broken, so, allow this Thread to bring you back to REAL Faith, in Christ alone, to get you to heaven.

 

[LittleTuneAlright]

Hi @Behold.. I do not fully understand the cross either... But I feel desperate and want to stay saved after an unfortunate event I thought I was not saved. I was having nightmares of it!! I do believe and I feel like I am making some progress now, especially in regards to His Grace and holding to memory this verse:

• 2 Corinthians 12:9: “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.”

So, what most Christians are not understanding........and here is how you spot them........they will say....>.1.) "You can lose your salvation"........as if YOU are responsible for it,

Yes, I thought I wasn't saved just the other day, because I was feeling depressed, as if depression is Gods way of telling me I am not saved! until I realised I was just feeling down and its ok because I suffered a bad time with the end of a relationship, I thought I was not saved because of this.

• everything belongs to Him, even Salvation and I felt it was enough to transform the suffering and thats why I am making some progress after a hard time in the dumps.

God Bless.

 

[Behold]

Hi @Behold.. I do not fully understand the cross either... But I feel desperate and want to stay saved after an unfortunate event I thought I was not saved. I was having nightmares of it!!

Ive good news for you.

God will never let you go @LittleTuneAlright .
See, God purchases us with the Blood of Jesus. The Blood of Jesus is how God purchases us forever.

Paul defines this as "you were BOUGHT with a Price" and that Price is what God paid as His Son's Sacrifice.
And once you are bought with the Blood of Jesus..........because you have trusted in Christ , = on that day of your Salvation, then you are always God's.... always.... eternally.

And just so you know...... one of the proofs for some Christians, that they are really saved, really born again, is to have a time of worrying about it....... extremely.
This can be the process for some, whereby they come to understand that their Salvation is in God's Hands, based on The Cross of Christ and this can never fail you.

See, Salvation is what God starts in you, once you believe and ":"God is FAITHFUL to complete it" for you.

Philippians 1:6

Its God's faithfulness to US, that keeps us saved, and once we see this.....then we have found that perfect understanding of God's Grace.

 

[shepherdsword]

Sometimes real faith can only come from broken people:

Ps 119:67
Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.

 

[Behold]

Reader,

Initially, if you've been born again...... you had "real faith". As otherwise.... Your "Faith is counted by God as Righteousness" .. would not have happened for you, and to you.

Understand? ?

See, we all start out, the same way........ Trusting in Christ, to save us.......and in that moment, we are not thinking about any theology, as we don't have any, yet.

And then...."in comes the Devil". And the first thing He does... because He understands that a baby Christian has no idea that what has happened to them, is eternal......... They have not had time to think about this yet........ They have not had any experience with the NT yet, or with a Good Teacher, yet......... They are a blank slate.... ready to be taught, and.....>"in comes the devil", with one of his Deceivers to deceive you.

So, let me just share this..

The Devil understands your salvation, and he understand that there is something in us, that tends to struggle with HOW God's Salvation is ETERNALLY based on it being a = """GIFT."""

"The GIFT of Salvation "'
"The Gift of Righteousness"
"The Gift of Eternal Life".

See, its in our "flesh" to naturally want to try to work to keep what is already GOD given for free and is eternal. However, the new Christian does not understand what has happened regarding their eternity.. and this has to be learned, and the Devil is going to do all he can to stop you from ever truly understanding what it means to have become : "MADE Righteous" = Forever.

So, because the Devil knows that you are made righteous forever, and because He knows that He can't lead you to Hell now that you are become a citizen of the Kingdom of God.. then his endless objective is to ruin your understanding regarding who you have become as an ETERNAL Child of God, "in Christ".. as "The Righteousness of God"... = "one with God".

What the Devil wants from you, is for you to become confused and then deceived regarding WHO keeps you saved... , and if you are reading this, and you believe that your Salvation is Kept or LOST, based on your behavior, or based on commandment keeping......then the Devil has broken your faith in Christ, some time ago.

Here is how you test it.....and Paul said to test your faith......as did JUDE.

You do it like this..

If you can't agree with this, that im going to write, then your faith is wrong, its broken.

Notice.

A.) ""Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved forever, no matter what you do, or what you think after you are born again"".

See that?
Did your flesh just jump up and say.....>>"NOW WAIT !!!!!!........ Its my responsibility to be good enough, for God to keep me !!!!".

AA.) That is broken faith.......that is....>>"here is what Im doing to try to keep myself saved, because I no longer trust in Christ to keep me saved".

See that? That is broken faith.......that is : "fallen from Grace"... that is.. a mind that is carnal and Paul says this person is "in the Flesh".

 

[Rightglory]

Most Christians.....do not understand The Cross........ or "The Gift of Righteousness"., that is the "Blood Atonement" and the "New Covenant".

Here is where they lost the Track (generously assuming they are on it).

it happens not long after the believer believes, and are born again.
And they are caused to misunderstand their Salvation. BY... the principal ministry of the Devil, regarding a Christian, which is to ruin your faith.
Its to keep you from the correct understanding of what it means to be "made righteous", = How and Why.

There is a lot to unpack here but I think you are using the phrase "made righteous" incorrectly. to be made righteous it to be made right, or acceptable, other synonyms that are used interchangeably are justify, reconcile. For example, scripture uses it to describe Christ

Reader, Here is one of the ways, that you spot a person who might be saved......yet they have no understanding of God's Salvation that has been given to them, based on their ....."faith being counted by God" .....as providing all that God requires so that God then gives them His Son's Salvation.
See, Salvation is what Jesus "finished" on the Cross, as He Said "IT is Finished" from the Cross.
We dont finish it.... He already did........we RECEIVE IT.. as "the Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness" and "The Gift of Eternal Life".

Christ accomplished two things by His death and resurrection. The primary event is that the incarnated Christ was resurrected thus giving life to all men. He defeated death. This made the created order righteous, justified, reconciled to God. Man had nothing to do with this portion, All men have been saved from death and will be raised in the last day.

Secondly, Christ performed a sacrifice for sin. For all sin. I John 2:2. This part is not objective to man. One receives this righteousness only when one repents, believes.

So, what most Christians are not understanding........and here is how you spot them........they will say....>.

1.) "You can lose your salvation"........as if YOU are responsible for it, vs God delivering it to you from THE CROSS, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

No Christian can lose salvation since no Christian ever received it in this life. There is no time in any believers life that he can say he has been saved (past tense) in this life. It is an ongoing journey. What a Christian can lose is faith. We are up and down throughout our life. Now, if at the end we were faithful, we shall inherit eternal life with Christ. I Pet 1:3-5. We get it through our faith. Might also note that all through the NT the word, believes is used in present tense, active. In other words that believes is ever ongoing, not final.

Listen,
Discipleship is what we do, because we are ALREADY Eternally saved.... having Eternal life.

No, we do it because we committed our lives to Christ. We promised we would remain faithful. When we sin, we ask for forgiveness ot we can remain righteous, (right with God) We are righteous as we do righteousness. I John 3:7

 

[Behold]

There is a lot to unpack here but I think you are using the phrase "made righteous" incorrectly.

Think of it like this..

Jesus became the sin of the world, one believer at a time, and each of those believers became "the righteousness of God, IN Christ".

So, each born again is "Made Righteous", because they have received "the imputed righteousness of Christ".

Christ accomplished two things by His death and resurrection. The primary event is that the incarnated Christ was resurrected thus giving life to all men. He defeated death.

Christ's Cross and Death and Resurrection accomplished many things......and regarding "sinners".. He became their "only way to the Father" and that is the most important.

John 14:6

Secondly, Christ performed a sacrifice for sin. For all sin. I John 2:2.

Like this.. @Rightglory

"God hath made JESUS... to BE SIN... for US"... because "JESUS is the ONE TIME...Eternal Sacrifice for sin".

No Christian can lose salvation since no Christian ever received it in this life.

You posted a Lie., and i wonder what cult taught you such a deception.
Care to name it?
Listen, Jesus said that you "must be born again", or you will "die in your sin" because you have committed the unpardonable sin of UNBELIEF.......and died in it.
So, there is no 2nd Chance in Hell, for people who were never born again, on earth before they died.

 

[Rightglory]

Think of it like this..

Jesus became the sin of the world, one believer at a time, and each of those believers became "the righteousness of God, IN Christ".

He became the sin of the world. Not one believer at a time. A believer becomes 'righteous" through belief, repentance and baptism. We share in His death and resurrection through baptism.

So, each born again is "Made Righteous", because they have received "the imputed righteousness of Christ".

Born again, means one was baptised, We do receive His righteousness each time we confess our sin. Confession makes us "right with God".

Christ's Cross and Death and Resurrection accomplished many things......and regarding "sinners".. He became their "only way to the Father" and that is the most important.

John 14:6




Like this.. @Rightglory

"God hath made JESUS... to BE SIN... for US"... because "JESUS is the ONE TIME...Eternal Sacrifice for sin".



You posted a Lie., and i wonder what cult taught you such a deception.
Care to name it?
Listen, Jesus said that you "must be born again", or you will "die in your sin" because you have committed the unpardonable sin of UNBELIEF.......and died in it.
So, there is no 2nd Chance in Hell, for people who were never born again, on earth before they died.

What I posted has been the belief of all Christians until those of the Reformation changed it. Even most Protestants do not believe what you are claiming which is OSAS.

 

[Behold]

He became the sin of the world. Not one believer at a time. A believer becomes 'righteous" through belief, repentance and baptism. We share in His death and resurrection through baptism.

Catholic nonsense has arrived DOA, as usual.

Listen, the only way that Water could save, or "wash away your sin" is if water hung on The Cross and bled and died for you and rose again. @Rightglory

Perhaps you think it did. ????? .....= if you continue to try to create a false Salvation theology that is based on the city water supply being necessary for Salvation.

And "sharing in his death and resurrection""" is symbolic, exactly as taking The Communion is Symbolic.

Born again, means one was baptised, We do receive His righteousness each time we confess our sin. Confession makes us "right with God".

Listen,
There are 2 times a believer is Born..

One is their earthly birth, and the 2nd is a Spiritual Birth that is performed not by water, or in water, but its caused and created by the Holy Spirit.

Now, the Catholic Cult, that is a "water cult", and has many branches, (small denominations) that all teach that you are "born again BY water".. and that is a false verse found in John 3, inside a Satanic Bible, that is the Douay Rheims : "Catholic Bible".

The truth is.......a person is born again by the HOLY SPIRIT< and never by Water.

What I posted has been the belief of all Christians until those of the Reformation changed it.

Jesus never taught that you were born again by water..
In fact in John 3, when explaining to Nicodemus the difference between natural child birth, whereby YOU were in a sack filled with fluid, inside your mama, and that WATER Broke, and it came out and so did you... and that is your "by water"... natural birth that is your 1st Birth day..

And Jesus then told YOU... that """"YOU must be born......AGAIN""" = #2... as you've have had the first birthday, by water.. and now you have to have a BORN.. AGAIN... 2nd Birth, and that is "by my SPIRIT, sayeth the Lord""/.. and not by water as the lying "cult of Mary" Teaches its deceived to believe., as you know. @Rightglory

 

[Rightglory]

Catholic nonsense has arrived DOA, as usual.

Listen, the only way that Water could save, or "wash away your sin" is if water hung on The Cross and bled and died for you and rose again. @Rightglory

Perhaps you think it did. ????? .....= if you continue to try to create a false Salvation theology that is based on the city water supply being necessary for Salvation.

And "sharing in his death and resurrection""" is symbolic, exactly as taking The Communion is Symbolic.

So, instead of presenting your biblical evidence you resort to innuendo and false statements.
this may be your belief, but it is not how the Gospel was preached and practiced from the very beginning.

Listen,
There are 2 times a believer is Born..

One is their earthly birth, and the 2nd is a Spiritual Birth that is performed not by water, or in water, but its caused and created by the Holy Spirit.

Scripture says otherwise. John 3:5, baptism is by water and the Spirit. Rom 6 is called the baptism chapter. It also has always meant entrance into Christ, into His Kingdom, His Church.
If you can show from scripture texts that refute this, without your spin on them, you might have something.

Now, the Catholic Cult, that is a "water cult", and has many branches, (small denominations) that all teach that you are "born again BY water".. and that is a false verse found in John 3, inside a Satanic Bible, that is the Douay Rheims : "Catholic Bible".

The truth is.......a person is born again by the HOLY SPIRIT< and never by Water.

First, why castigate something you know little about. You are having problems presenting your own beliefs as scripture.

Jesus never taught that you were born again by water..
In fact in John 3, when explaining to Nicodemus the difference between natural child birth, whereby YOU were in a sack filled with fluid, inside your mama, and that WATER Broke, and it came out and so did you... and that is your "by water"... natural birth that is your 1st Birth day..

That is your interpretation, but has never been the interpretation of the Apostles, the Church from the beginning.

And Jesus then told YOU... that """"YOU must be born......AGAIN""" = #2... as you've have had the first birthday, by water.. and now you have to have a BORN.. AGAIN... 2nd Birth, and that is "by my SPIRIT, sayeth the Lord""/.. and not by water as the lying "cult of Mary" Teaches its deceived to believe., as you know. @Rightglory

Where is your evidence that it means what you say it mean. other than your personal spin on it. Who else has believed this from the beginning? I'm not even sure if Luther, Calvin, Knox believed this. Possibility Zwingli? So, where did this false concept come from? Which man developed it? You? It obviously is not of the Gospel ONCE delieverd to the Saints. Jude 3.

 

[Behold]

So, instead of presenting your biblical evidence

I posted John 3.

Thats "bible".

Do you own one?

Scripture says otherwise. John 3:5, baptism is by water and the Spirit.

Actually there is Water Baptism..........and then there is Spiritual Baptism.. and they are not the same.

The "cult of Mary", combines them as : "born again BY ... water".. .and that is a Satanic Lie

First, why castigate something you know little about. You are having problems presenting your own beliefs as scripture.

What Part of Catholicism do you need me to explain?

Want to talk about "Relics" or "the ascension of Mary"?
Want to discuss why "Transubstantiation" is a Satanic Lie........or are you just interested in ranting about "baptismal regeneration", and Peter as the 1st Pope or what your "church fathers concluded"..? @Rightglory

That is your interpretation, but has never been the interpretation of the Apostles, the Church from the beginning.

You, like all Catholics, confuse the Body of Christ with the "theological cult of Mary".
God doesn't.

So, where did this false concept come from? Which man developed it?

The Satanic Catholic bible, the "Douay Rheims" falsely teaches that a person is ... "Born again BY... water".
And no one is born again by the city water supply....... noone... including you.
Water is water......it has no magic power, and no Black or White Robed Catholic Priest has any magic power to change a cookie and wine into the literal body and Blood of Jesus, nor can they "hocus pocus" water baptism so that it "washes away your sin"..
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[Rightglory]

Actually there is Water Baptism..........and then there is Spiritual Baptism.. and they are not the same.

The "cult of Mary", combines them as : "born again BY ... water".. .and that is a Satanic Lie

But where is your evidence on your view other than your personal spin? Is it your very own personal interpretation?
Why are you posting about things you don't know anything about. Who says it is Satanic lie, You?

What Part of Catholicism do you need me to explain?

None, I'm not actually interested specifically what Catholics believe unless you are a Catholic.

Want to talk about "Relics" or "the ascension of Mary"?
Want to discuss why "Transubstantiation" is a Satanic Lie........or are you just interested in ranting about "baptismal regeneration", and Peter as the 1st Pope or what your "church fathers concluded"..? @Rightglory

So, all you can do is deflect. You have no evidence other than your personal opinion which means nothing.

You, like all Catholics, confuse the Body of Christ with the "theological cult of Mary".
God doesn't.



The Satanic Catholic bible, the "Douay Rheims" falsely teaches that a person is ... "Born again BY... water".
And no one is born again by the city water supply....... noone... including you.
Water is water......it has no magic power, and no Black or White Robed Catholic Priest has any magic power to change a cookie and wine into the literal body and Blood of Jesus, nor can they "hocus pocus" water baptism so that it "washes away your sin"..

Why spend so much time castigating everything else instead of presenting the evidence of your own view. I have not seen any as yet.
Other than you who holds such a view?

 

[Behold]

But where is your evidence on your view other than your personal spin?

Are you talking about "Baptismal regeneration" or "born again BY Water"... and "Transubstantiation" ?
This is all Catholic Doctrine.
So, you are ither not a Catholic, or you are a very uninformed one.

Is it your very own personal interpretation?
Why are you posting about things you don't know anything about. Who says it is Satanic lie, You?

Are you talking about "Baptismal regeneration" or "born again BY Water"... and "Transubstantiation" ?
This is all Catholic Doctrine.
So, you are ither not a Catholic, or you are a very uninformed one.

None, I'm not actually interested specifically what Catholics believe unless you are a Catholic.

No Mary worship found in my heart.
No thanks.

So, all you can do is deflect. You have no evidence other than your personal opinion which means nothing.

Guess again.

Why spend so much time castigating everything else instead of presenting the evidence of your own view. I have not seen any as yet.
Other than you who holds such a view?

What is presented is clear and accurate.
Try reading it carefully.

 

[Rightglory]

Are you talking about "Baptismal regeneration" or "born again BY Water"... and "Transubstantiation" ?
This is all Catholic Doctrine.
So, you are ither not a Catholic, or you are a very uninformed one.






Are you talking about "Baptismal regeneration" or "born again BY Water"... and "Transubstantiation" ?
This is all Catholic Doctrine.
So, you are ither not a Catholic, or you are a very uninformed one.






No Mary worship found in my heart.
No thanks.



Guess again.





What is presented is clear and accurate.
Try reading it carefully.

You have not presented a logical, rational explanation of what you believe.
All I got is you don't believe in baptism. You believe that once saved always saved.
So, where is your view found in scripture?

 

[Behold]

You have not presented a logical, rational explanation of what you believe.

Your statement is obtuse.

So, what is it that you need me to "explain" regarding what i "believe".

Be clear, and then i can respond, with an answer.

All I got is you don't believe in baptism. You believe that once saved always saved.

.

So, again...

There is water baptism.......and there is Spiritual Baptism.

They are not the same., as Water is Water and Spirit is Spirit.

A "water Cult".... that is connected to Catholic Theology......will state that water baptism is REQUIRED for Salvation to occur, and that is exactly not the truth.

Also......."eternal life" is not Temporary, and its not something that you can Lose..

Eternal Life is connected to being born again........and in both cases this is God caused and lasts forever.

 

[Rightglory]

Your statement is obtuse.

So, what is it that you need me to "explain" regarding what i "believe".

Be clear, and then i can respond, with an answer.

In checking the history of the Church from the Apostles to present day, I find no record of the view that a believer cannot lose their faith, and thus eternal life. The entire NT, covered in every single Book speaks about a believer remaining faithful. Belief is always in the present tense and active. I find no verse that says a believer has eternal life in this life. It is presented as future, as it does in John 3:16. I Pet 1:3-5 is quite emphatic that a believer is being saved, has not been saved, by the power of the Holy Spirit THROUGH FAITH. It is all about being faithful. If one is not faithful one will not attain eternal life.
OSAS is quite a new, modern theory in terms of the acronym. However the concept comes from the teachings of the Reformer John Calvin. Even being in 1536 is quite modern since the Gospel was given 1500 years before that. The apostles practiced what they wrote and no early Church Father held this view. So obviously it is derived from a single man, 1500 years after the Gospel was given. hardly spirit derived.
Even within the Protestant milieu most denominations do not hold to this view.

 

[Behold]

In checking the history of the Church from the Apostles to present day, I find no record of the view that a believer cannot lose their faith,

Notice.

>Faith,< ... does not save you.

GOD saves you, through your faith........ONE TIME..........and you are SAVED.......and have received Eternal Life, being now Born again.

So, Reader....
There is a heresy, that is very prevalent within Christianity... and its the false idea that "if you lose your faith, then you lost your salvation".

Pulpits and Forums are filled with theologically confused Heretics who teach this stupid lie.

= And that is a false theology that has wrongly esteemed FAITH, as the Savior, vs, JESUS as the Savior.

So, a person who has that wrong mind.......will say.....>>>"as long as i hold unto my FAITH, i keep myself SAVED".

And of course, Faith doesn't save you, and God has already accepted the person's faith, if they are born again.


Now,.. here is help for anyone who is trying to keep themselves SAVED by "holding unto my faith".

Just think now...

A.) Did Faith die on The Cross for your sin?...........If it did then keep trying to worry about your faith keeping you saved, as long as you dont lose it.

"well behold, what if i am a real Christian, and ive lost my faith, and can't seem to get it back"..

Just read this verse, and Believe it......... See Reader, God is faithful to complete your salvation, even if you have a crisis of faith.
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King James Bible
If we believe not, yet God abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

New International Version
if we are faithless, God remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

New Living Translation
If we are unfaithful, God remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is.

English Standard Version
if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.

Berean Standard Bible
if we are faithless, God remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

Berean Literal Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself.

New King James Version
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

New American Standard Bible
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

NASB 1995
If we are faithless, God remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

NASB 1977
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; for He cannot deny Himself.

Legacy Standard Bible
If we are faithless, God remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

 

[Rightglory]

Notice.

>Faith,< ... does not save you.

GOD saves you, through your faith........ONE TIME..........and you are SAVED.......and have received Eternal Life, being now Born again.

Which is your interpretation. It does not balance with the historical witness of the Holy Spirit through time in preserving His Gospel for all time.
You are correct He saves us through our faith. But man must remain faithful. Your status with God does not become final until your death. I Pet 1:3-5 states this very clearly.

So, Reader....
There is a heresy, that is very prevalent within Christianity... and its the false idea that "if you lose your faith, then you lost your salvation".

Again, a gross misunderstanding of scripture. No believer loses salvation. You cannot lose something you did not have. What you have is a promise that if a believer remains faithful, he will be granted eternal life. This may be heresy to your interpretation but not according to scripture or any historical account either.

Pulpits and Forums are filled with theologically confused Heretics who teach this stupid lie.

You are the only one who is teaching something unbiblical. You are the only one declaring it a heresy, which is meaningless.

= And that is a false theology that has wrongly esteemed FAITH, as the Savior, vs, JESUS as the Savior.

So, a person who has that wrong mind.......will say.....>>>"as long as i hold unto my FAITH, i keep myself SAVED".

No, again incorrect assumption. A true believer never assumes he is saved, past tense. He is on a journey to perfection. Our life is full of ups and downs.

And of course, Faith doesn't save you, and God has already accepted the person's faith, if they are born again.


Now,.. here is help for anyone who is trying to keep themselves SAVED by "holding unto my faith".

Just think now...

A.) Did Faith die on The Cross for your sin?...........If it did then keep trying to worry about your faith keeping you saved, as long as you dont lose it.

"well behold, what if i am a real Christian, and ive lost my faith, and can't seem to get it back"..

Just read this verse, and Believe it......... See Reader, God is faithful to complete your salvation, even if you have a crisis of faith.
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King James Bible
If we believe not, yet God abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Another gross misinterpretation. Cherry picking verses and the misinterpreting them to the contradiction of most of the NT.
Matthew 24:13 - "But he who endures to the end shall be saved
Mark 13:13 - “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
1 Corinthians 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him.
Galatians 5:4,7 - You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace... You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Colossians 1:22,23 - ...to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight -- if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel...
Thessalonians 3:8 - For now we live1, if you stand fast in the Lord.
1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines

Now here is your text:
2 Timothy 2:11-13 - This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him. If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He will also deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
It's always the case when someone cherry picks part of a verse and then interprets it to suit their particular theory, this being OSAS.

The key phrase is 'if we deny Him, He will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful. He is not being faithful to you. He is being faithful to His words of denying you, if you deny Him. He cannot deny Himself. Which fits in with the verses above.

All the texts I cited, all deny the concept of a one-time, eternal faith concept - OSAS. It is actually quite ridiculous considering the state of our human nature, vs that of Adam before he sinned.

 

[Behold]

Which is your interpretation

Being "Saved", means you are "born again".

That happens once........and that is not my "interpretation".

No believer loses salvation.

Correct.
You can't stop being Born again.

You are the only one who is teaching something unbiblical. You are the only one declaring it a heresy, which is meaningless.

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Im not responsible for what you are not able to comprehend.

No, again incorrect assumption. A true believer never assumes he is saved, past tense.

John says you can "Know that you have eternal life", and Jesus says if you "Believe in Me, i will give you eternal life'.


You dont have to believe it, if you prefer to just continue to be deceived by your Cult.

Thats on you,

but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

This verse from Matt, is Jesus speaking about the Grt Trib., and those who were saved during this time.

Now here is your text:
2 Timothy 2:11-13 - This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him,

I have already died with Christ, as has any Real Chrisitan.

How?

"your old man of sin is Crucified with Christ" and you are now born again as a "new Creation in Christ".

 

[Rightglory]

Being "Saved", means you are "born again".

That happens once........and that is not my "interpretation".

You may have adopted it from another false teacher, namely Calvin who is the originator of OSAS.
Born again happens when one believes is baptised, and receives the Holy Spirit and enters into His Kingdom. That is a one time event, however it does not mean saved, it does not even guarantee one will be saved. Many have fallen.

Correct.

Correct only because no believer has received salvation. They have been assured of salvation but that depends on the will of every person to hold fast to his commitment to be faithful to the end.

You can't stop being Born again.

Never stated one could stop it. However, any believer can quench the work of the Holy Spirit, which is why we are warned not to quench the Holy Spirit.

John says you can "Know that you have eternal life", and Jesus says if you "Believe in Me, i will give you eternal life'.

Yes he does. That is called assurance, not guarantee. And the word 'believe" is in present tense and active which is why the word "will" is used. Not have given you eternal life. You will find no text in all of scripture that supports OSAS. It goes implicitly against the whole purpose of God's relationship with man. Man is free to accept, be faithful, or reject Him, repent and come back. See prodigal son.

You dont have to believe it, if you prefer to just continue to be deceived by your Cult.

Thats on you,

I believe what scripture has meant for 2000 years and not a new modern, sound good, philosophy generated by a man centuries after the Gospel was once given.

This verse from Matt, is Jesus speaking about the Grt Trib., and those who were saved during this time.

And about many who fell away because of persecution. Why warn them, if they are "saved".

I have already died with Christ, as has any Real Chrisitan.

How?

"your old man of sin is Crucified with Christ" and you are now born again as a "new Creation in Christ".

but any of those real Christians can fall away and be lost. Just a biblical fact.