Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

[Patrick1966]

And this...

Romans 11:25 esv
Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

 

[Wrangler]

John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Matthew 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.


Israel is the community of God, the faithful, not, as the Pharisees believed, a political or geneological nation, but a spiritual nation.


1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

God lives in you, God has always lived in you. Or perhaps one may say, that you are an aspect of God. Mankind is the temple of God.


Jesus was condemned for all the sins of mankind and rose from hell to heaven. Thus Jesus has ended all wars. The final result of mankind's toils is peace.


Mark 12
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.


John 10
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Thank you! This is the kind of post I was hoping for. A lot of meat to ponder. Thanks for putting it together.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

anti-Semitism

What is anti-Semitism?

 

[Jim B]

What is anti-Semitism?

Antisemitism is an ideology that promotes hostility, prejudice, discrimination, incitement, and violence directed against Jews, as a matter of racist hate.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Your anti-Semitism is contrary to God's truth!

Antisemitism is an ideology that promotes hostility, prejudice, discrimination, incitement, and violence directed against Jews, as a matter of racist hate.

Then that is a hefty accusation up above then. I don’t think I’ve ever met a Jew personally. Maybe I have and didn’t realize it. I’ve no ill will toward Jews. What I meant was mainly towards today how it is difficult to discuss certain topics without them always going in the same direction as always. I meant as much in regards to today…and was including myself. How it is easy to focus on temporal things to where you become blind to Spiritual things. How is that anti-semitism? How is anti-semitism to suggest that this is very much alive today in regards to rejection of Christ? Plus if you ever knocked or criticized a Pharisee for their short-sightedness of always circling back to the same revealing of their desires and rejection of Christ …are they not a Jew? Is that anti-semitism as well?

 

[Jim B]

Then that is a hefty accusation up above then. I don’t think I’ve ever met a Jew personally. Maybe I have and didn’t realize it. I’ve no ill will toward Jews. What I meant was mainly towards today how it is difficult to discuss certain topics without them always going in the same direction as always. I meant as much in regards to today…and was including myself. How it is easy to focus on temporal things to where you become blind to Spiritual things. How is that anti-semitism? How is anti-semitism to suggest that this is very much alive today in regards to rejection of Christ? Plus if you ever knocked or criticized a Pharisee for their short-sightedness of always circling back to the same revealing of their desires and rejection of Christ …are they not a Jew? Is that anti-semitism as well?

Well, now you have met Jew -- virtually. As I have said earlier, Jesus, when on Earth, was a Jew, as were all His disciples, the original apostles, and all the members of the early church. The entire Bible was written by Jews, with the sole exception of Luke-Acts.

I don't understand what you're writing about when you write "How it is easy to focus on temporal things to where you become blind to Spiritual things. How is that anti-semitism? How is anti-semitism to suggest that this is very much alive today in regards to rejection of Christ?" Many, many people, Jews and non-Jews (Gentiles), have rejected Christ. It is anti-Semitic to limit Jesus' rejection to Jews only!

Your comment about the Pharisees' short-sightedness is nonsense. The Pharisees were a hyper-legalistic sect of Judaism and failed to recognize the Messiah. That is why I criticize them, not because they were Jews. I repeat: Jesus, when on Earth, was a Jew, as were all His disciples, the original apostles, and all the members of the early church.

 

[Behold]

Then that is a hefty accusation up above then. I don’t think I’ve ever met a Jew personally.

Are you saved? Then you met a Jew.

His Name is Jesus..

Ive met lot of Jews, as my home is in Israel.

Only a few basic types..

Hyper Religious OT Fanatics that live and die in Moses's Law , and if you drive a car on a street from 3pm Friday, till 6p on Saturday, near the "old City".... in Jerusalem, hundreds of these "black coats" will surround your car, screaming....spit flying...."shabbat, shabbat" !!!!. (Sabbath).
You dont want to be that one.

Then, you have the rest. Most are just mildly agnostic secularized, same as you find with Americans or Australians or Germans, or Brits.
Everyone has a nice car, everyone has a big screen TV, an Ipad and Iphone, and Jews love to be outside with their family.
Love the BEACH.

There are Messianic Jews also, who love Jesus.

What is Israel like?
Its very much like the USA, its very democratic.....but, there is a vocal part of the population that is "Moses Law Fanatical".

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Well, now you have met Jew -- virtually. As I have said earlier, Jesus, when on Earth, was a Jew, as were all His disciples, the original apostles, and all the members of the early church. The entire Bible was written by Jews, with the sole exception of Luke-Acts.

I don't understand what you're writing about when you write "How it is easy to focus on temporal things to where you become blind to Spiritual things. How is that anti-semitism? How is anti-semitism to suggest that this is very much alive today in regards to rejection of Christ?" Many, many people, Jews and non-Jews (Gentiles), have rejected Christ. It is anti-Semitic to limit Jesus' rejection to Jews only!

Your comment about the Pharisees' short-sightedness is nonsense. The Pharisees were a hyper-legalistic sect of Judaism and failed to recognize the Messiah. That is why I criticize them, not because they were Jews. I repeat: Jesus, when on Earth, was a Jew, as were all His disciples, the original apostles, and all the members of the early church.

Never said Jesus was not a Jew. I feel like you are twisting my words. I meant in my home town, where I live in North Carolina that I personally have not known a Jew. Not that I would not want to, but being a homemaker for so long I haven’t gotten out much. How you twisted that into even a hint that I may be trying to say Jesus was not Jew…I’ve no clue. Very touchy. Same as the original post I made here just to share my thoughts on the topic of the thread:

To me it becomes evident in even today. You can watch threads how offensive it is to draw attention away from money or wealth gain to discuss gain of heavenly riches or Spiritual things. Try to discuss away from money wealth and you’ll start a huge debate of arguments. Or how it is offensive to draw away from physical healings to discussing Spiritual healings. Or how even the promised land MUST and HAS to be a plot of dirt yay-big in size because it would be offensive to consider the promised land is the Heart. That the Heart is that Land cultivated removing the stones for His making room for Himself to be planted. How Christ is planted and not to be uprooted, nor plucked up; in the promised Land being planted in Hearts where a deep root grows and a tree flourishes with Healing and good food: producing and yielding Fruits: Love, Peace, Joy; the Fruit of the Spirit of God. That is another offensive “I don’t want to hear it” …let us talk and imagine orange, apples and pomegranate trees as the promise Fruit on our plot of “Land” Why? I don’t know why it is so much better or soothing to be promised an orange tree, and apple trees over the Tree of Life where unless I’m crazy that Tree of Life produces and yields the things that pertain to Life in the Spirit of God; the Fruit of the Tree of Life written for us, right in front of our faces it is told what Life in the Spirit of God produces and yields but overlooked: we know the Fruit of the Spirit of God. It is written there but as the Jews of old let us distract from that Fruit and discuss our imagined fruits. Or our imagined Land …it is not good enough that God has promised to make “room” in Hearts for His planting and “yielding” of good things to come. promising flourishing…which should be comforting unless that is not to be desired.

Why do the Jews reject Jesus?
Desiring something else? “We want meat!” “Or at least give us goats milk” Something deemed better than what is given?

Turns into anti-Semitism. When I didn’t mean it to be that way. But think whatever you choose to because I’m going to stop before I dig myself a deeper hole….

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Are you saved? Then you met a Jew.

His Name is Jesus..

Ive met lot of Jews, as my home is in Israel.

Only a few basic types..

Hyper Religious OT Fanatics that live and die in Moses's Law , and if you drive a car on a street from 3pm Friday, till 6p on Saturday, near the "old City".... in Jerusalem, hundreds of these "black coats" will surround your car, screaming....spit flying...."shabbat, shabbat" !!!!. (Sabbath).
You dont want to be that one.

Then, you have the rest. Most are just mildly agnostic secularized, same as you find with Americans or Australians or Germans, or Brits.
Everyone has a nice car, everyone has a big screen TV, an Ipad and Iphone, and Jews love to be outside with their family.
Love the BEACH.

There are Messianic Jews also, who love Jesus.

What is Israel like?
Its very much like the USA, its very democratic.....but, there is a vocal part of the population that is "Moses Law Fanatical".

Interesting. I’ve never lived anywhere but in the same town. The only travel I’ve had is to South Carolina beaches or to North Carolina mountains.

What is your perspective of:

2 Corinthians 5:16 Lexicon: Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer.

How do we know Christ?

 

[Gaffer]

Jews reject Jesus because - as the undisputed experts on the attributes of the Messiah - they know he failed to qualify. An honest review of the actual Messianic verses from the OT reveal a complete absence of:
A virgin birth, a crucifixion, a resurrection, and most importantly, any divine qualities. The gospel authors knew this full well, but went ahead and lied about it anyway, knowing their target audience was not learned Jews, but ignorant Roman pagans. Christianity thus failed from day one under the weight of NT lies and fraud.

 

[Wrangler]

Jews reject Jesus because - as the undisputed experts on the attributes of the Messiah - they know he failed to qualify. An honest review of the actual Messianic verses from the OT reveal a complete absence of:
A virgin birth, a crucifixion, a resurrection, and most importantly, any divine qualities. The gospel authors knew this full well, but went ahead and lied about it anyway, knowing their target audience was not learned Jews, but ignorant Roman pagans. Christianity thus failed from day one under the weight of NT lies and fraud.

As an atheist, I don’t know that it is totally appropriate for you to post in this thread.

Having said that, welcome to CyB! Please share your spiritual journey so far? The beliefs you have? How they came about? And how they changed over time? And why?

 

[Jim B]

Jews reject Jesus because - as the undisputed experts on the attributes of the Messiah - they know he failed to qualify. An honest review of the actual Messianic verses from the OT reveal a complete absence of:
A virgin birth, a crucifixion, a resurrection, and most importantly, any divine qualities. The gospel authors knew this full well, but went ahead and lied about it anyway, knowing their target audience was not learned Jews, but ignorant Roman pagans. Christianity thus failed from day one under the weight of NT lies and fraud.

This is your first post??? Oy vey!

Jesus was a Jew, as were all the disciples, all the apostles, and all the members of the original church. The entire Bible was written by Jews -- Luke/Acts being the sole exception.

There was a) a virgin birth, b) a crucifixion, and c) a resurrection. Jesus was and is God; He has 100% "divine qualities".

Your unbelief does not affect the truths of the Bible, including the gospels. And claiming that the target audience was "ignorant Roman pagans" proves that you know nothing about the subject.

Christianity has not failed. Your thinking that it has is nothing more than wishful ignorance. There are an estimated 2,200,000,000 Christians in the world, with about 10% of that number being in the US.

On another subject, why are you even participating on this Christian forum? To display your ignorance? To demonstrate that you lack faith?

 

[Gaffer]

This is your first post??? Oy vey!

Jesus was a Jew, as were all the disciples, all the apostles, and all the members of the original church. The entire Bible was written by Jews -- Luke/Acts being the sole exception.

There was a) a virgin birth, b) a crucifixion, and c) a resurrection. Jesus was and is God; He has 100% "divine qualities".

Your unbelief does not affect the truths of the Bible, including the gospels. And claiming that the target audience was "ignorant Roman pagans" proves that you know nothing about the subject.

Christianity has not failed. Your thinking that it has is nothing more than wishful ignorance. There are an estimated 2,200,000,000 Christians in the world, with about 10% of that number being in the US.

On another subject, why are you even participating on this Christian forum? To display your ignorance? To demonstrate that you lack faith?

Thanx for sharing the intellectual laziness of 2 billion Christian’s - and your reliance on the ad populum fallacy. My ‘unbelief’ is supported by the facts, and 52 years of honest study and the input of hundreds of Rabbis, Hebrew scholars, and the clear language of OT Messianic prophesy. That you have been the unwitting dupe of what is now a multi trillion dollar scam is evidenced by your vacuous claim of a virgin birth alone. You have my sympathy.

 

[Jim B]

Thanx for sharing the intellectual laziness of 2 billion Christian’s - and your reliance on the ad populum fallacy. My ‘unbelief’ is supported by the facts, and 52 years of honest study and the input of hundreds of Rabbis, Hebrew scholars, and the clear language of OT Messianic prophesy. That you have been the unwitting dupe of what is now a multi trillion dollar scam is evidenced by your vacuous claim of a virgin birth alone. You have my sympathy.

I don't need or want your sympathy. Despite your ‘unbelief’ being supposedly supported by the facts, and 52 years of honest study and the input of hundreds of Rabbis, Hebrew scholars, and the clear language of OT Messianic prophesy, you are clearly deluded. Do a study on the Pharisees and Sadducees if you want further understanding about how you (and they) have missed the Messiah.

Jesus explained everything perfectly in one sentence: John 14:6, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

I am putting you on "ignore" status, as I have no interest in your false "knowledge".

 

[Wrangler]

Thanx for sharing the intellectual laziness of 2 billion Christian’s

Not sure how his post demonstrated laziness of others. Do you believe faith is a function of laziness?

 

[Gaffer]

I don't need or want your sympathy. Despite your ‘unbelief’ being supposedly supported by the facts, and 52 years of honest study and the input of hundreds of Rabbis, Hebrew scholars, and the clear language of OT Messianic prophesy, you are clearly deluded. Do a study on the Pharisees and Sadducees if you want further understanding about how you (and they) have missed the Messiah.

Jesus explained everything perfectly in one sentence: John 14:6, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

I am putting you on "ignore" status, as I have no interest in your false "knowledge".

Cool. Ignore status is the preferred refuge of the deluded Christian, lacking the intellectual honesty to actually study the bible. Your pastor loves it when you come in to tithe. He depends on your gullibility.

 

[Gaffer]

As an atheist, I don’t know that it is totally appropriate for you to post in this thread.

Having said that, welcome to CyB! Please share your spiritual journey so far? The beliefs you have? How they came about? And how they changed over time? And why?

Why would it not be appropriate for me to post? Do you realize that many Atheists are former Christians - who often know more about the bible than the average Christian they engage?

 

[Gaffer]

Not sure how his post demonstrated laziness of others. Do you believe faith is a function of laziness?

Intellectual laziness - absolutely. Faith is a poor substitute for Truth. Truth requires diligence, hard work, honest study, and the ability to avoid confirmation bias, as well as to overcome the years of indoctrination so many Christians were subjected to as children. I was one of them. Then at 16 as a school project I was sent to the University library to check out a book and do a report on it. I came upon "Is It God's Word?" by Joseph Wheless - a scholar on the 3 languages you have to know in order to speak intelligently on the bible and its history - Ancient Hebrew, Koine Greek, and Aramaic. That started my education.

 

[Jim B]

Cool. Ignore status is the preferred refuge of the deluded Christian, lacking the intellectual honesty to actually study the bible. Your pastor loves it when you come in to tithe. He depends on your gullibility.

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[Jim B]

Why would it not be appropriate for me to post? Do you realize that many Atheists are former Christians - who often know more about the bible than the average Christian they engage?

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