Reconciled to God while enemies !

[brightfame52]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

We find the actual answer in chapter 6. Our sin nature was crucified with Him while we were still sinners, but our resurrection in Christ is freedom from sin by the power of His Holy Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

One of the reasons why everyone Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death only, even while they are enemies or unbelievers , is because there is no sins against God's Law imputed to them, Christ's death has paid in full for them, and God has nothing against them, even while they themselves are enemies and unbelievers.

So its impossible for unbelievers whom Christ died for, to at anytime be considered one of the unbelievers pointed out here Jn 3:18 or Jn 3:36 !

Those are only unbelievers Christ did not died for and did not reconciled to God by His Death !

 

[brightfame52]

All those reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, even while they were experientially being enemies in and of themselves by nature, even children of wrath as others by nature, yet through being reconciled to God, and accepted in His Favor, they must therefore be Perfect in His sight, because God accepts no one or thing less than Perfection, for His Holiness demands it. Whatever, if its not absolutely Perfect, Cannot be accepted with God ! But that Death of Christ, by which all for whom Christ died, and did reconcile to God thereby, even while being enemies, that Death of His or His Offering of Himself for them, made them Perfect before God ! Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

One of the reasons why everyone Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death only, even while they are enemies or unbelievers , is because there is no sins against God's Law imputed to them, Christ's death has paid in full for them, and God has nothing against them, even while they themselves are enemies and unbelievers.

So its impossible for unbelievers whom Christ died for, to at anytime be considered one of the unbelievers pointed out here Jn 3:18 or Jn 3:36 !

Those are only unbelievers Christ did not died for and did not reconciled to God by His Death !

Not true. Willful sins committed against God's laws resulted in their death. The Jews had the Law already for about 1,500 years. Up until the time of Christ's death it was the blood of bulls and goats since Adam's sin that were used to appease the wrath of God. Christ's blood appeased God's wrath once and for all to all who believed in Him.

 

[shepherdsword]

You can always tell a false gospel from the true gospel. A false gospel will always have some element of the original lie "You shall NOT surely die"

 

[brightfame52]

. Christ's blood appeased God's wrath once and for all to all who believed in Him.

They were reconciled to God by His death b4 they believed in Christ and while they were enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They didnt have to be believers for Christs blood to appease Gods wrath for them.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

They were reconciled to God by His death b4 they believed in Christ and while they were enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They didnt have to be believers for Christs blood to appease Gods wrath for them.

It was all up to God, not us, to destroy the works of the devil and give salvation to mankind, IF they believed in His Son and the blood He shed for them. Those who do not believe in Jesus and what He did WILL receive the wrath of God. We are justified by faith. And from faith to faith. Meaning that Jesus is the Author AND Finisher of both faiths of Romans 1:17. And from faith to faith has to do with the two types of sin. Matthew 5:48 therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Modern heretical denominations teach this is not true.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It was all up to God, not us, to destroy the works of the devil and give salvation to mankind, IF they believed in His Son and the blood He shed for them. Those who do not believe in Jesus and what He did WILL receive the wrath of God. We are justified by faith. And from faith to faith. Meaning that Jesus is the Author AND Finisher of both faiths of Romans 1:17. And from faith to faith has to do with the two types of sin. Matthew 5:48 therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Modern heretical denominations teach this is not true.

Hello, Sister, how are you all? Great post,

Love, Walter

 

[brightfame52]

It was all up to God, not us, to destroy the works of the devil and give salvation to mankind, IF they believed in His Son and the blood He shed for them. Those who do not believe in Jesus and what He did WILL receive the wrath of God. We are justified by faith. And from faith to faith. Meaning that Jesus is the Author AND Finisher of both faiths of Romans 1:17. And from faith to faith has to do with the two types of sin. Matthew 5:48 therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." Modern heretical denominations teach this is not true.

Again they were reconciled to God while unbelievers, God was at peace with them while enemies ! To be Justified by Faith is saying we were justified/reconciled by Christ;

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Again they were reconciled to God while unbelievers, God was at peace with them while enemies ! To be Justified by Faith is saying we were justified/reconciled by Christ;

I never knew you believed in Universalism.

Justification is being cleansed of sin through faith in Jesus. There are two types of sins, and Jesus as the Author of our faith takes away the worst type of sin from our nature. Therefore, as long as we are actually born again of the Holy Spirit (I wasn't for the first 30 years of being a Christian!) we have no desire to commit lawless willful sins. Then in a process, Jesus frees us from immature fruit of the Spirit, one at a time.

 

[brightfame52]

What the adversaries of Truth have failed to acknowledge, and is why they are guilty of diminishing the Merit's of Christ's Death alone, apart from the application work of the Spirit, that is, even though these Christ died for, and by His Death did reconcile them to God Legally, even while they are being enemies; while others, whom Christ did not die for, and while they are being enemies, they are under God's Wrath and Condemnation as Per Jn 3:18,36

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

See, the Wrath of God cannot abide on any for whom Christ died, because for them, His Wrath has been appeased solely by the Blood of Christ !

Now clearly the only difference from one group being reconciled to God while being enemies, and another group being under God's Wrath and Condemnation while being enemies, the only difference is the Death of Christ ! If this cannot be acknowledged then we are against Christ, against His Death, against His Blood, and The Accomplishments of it before the Law and Justice of God for those He died for !

 

[brightfame52]

I never knew you believed in Universalism.

I dont except for the elect being from all nations of the world besides israel

Justification is being cleansed of sin through faith in Jesus.

False, its being cleansed from sin by Christ alone , it was done when He sat down at the right hand of God Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

The word purged katharismos:

1. a cleansing, purification, a ritual purgation or washing
   1. of the washing of the Jews before and after their meals
   2. of levitical purification of women after childbirth
   3. a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

Our Faith only gives us to know it was done for us as an individual, but it has no hand in the actual cleansing from the guilt of sins, that's solely Christs doing, and great accomplishment. Thats why the elect are reconciled to God by His death even while unbelieving enemies.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

False, its being cleansed from sin by Christ alone

We are both right, bf. Christ died for the whole world, but only we who believe in Him will receive the actual reconciliation to God. All others He died for will burn in hell.

 

[brightfame52]

We are both right,

Nope you are wrong because Faith doesnt cleanse sin, it receives the knowledge of it,

Christ died for the whole world,

Thats heresy

but only we who believe in Him will receive the actual reconciliation to God.

This is conditional salvation, more heresy mam !

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Nope you are wrong because Faith doesnt cleanse sin, it receives the knowledge of it,

Thats heresy

This is conditional salvation, more heresy mam !

I'm not wrong because the Bible says I'm not.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Those who do not believe in Christ will not be saved.

Have you been born again? Jesus said, we must be born again. What does that mean to you?

 

[brightfame52]

Even though I'm convinced that non imputation of sin preached in 2 Cor 5:19 was that of the Terms of the Everlasting Covenant Established before the World began and at which time Christ was confirmed as the Surety of the Covenant Heb 7:22 or Testament, yet for the opposer's of this great Gospel Truth, lets say that 2 Cor 5:19 is referring to the Cross at its actual time in Human History in or around 33 ad, then it would stand for reason that the Non Imputation described here is the one and same with the imputing of sins unto Christ, in order for Him to die for them 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that being the case, for who can deny that Christ had to have had their sins imputed to Him, in order for Him to die for them ! Then at least no one Christ died for since 33 ad can be born in their sins, yes they can be born sinners, but they are born sinners that do not have the legal guilt and condemnation of breaking God's Law against them, and they are born sinners already reconciled to God by THE DEATH OF HIS SON !

Because it was His Death that satisfied God's Law and Justice for them against every transgression they will ever commit against it, God's Law. So, legally they are born Justified and Reconciled sinners In God's Sight !

 

[brightfame52]

I'm not wrong because the Bible says I'm not.

Yes you are dead wrong, but the sad thing is you dont know it

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Thats true, but that doesnt help you from not being dead wrong

Those who do not believe in Christ will not be saved.

They dont believe because He didnt die for them Jn 10:26, if He had died for them, they would be reconciled to God Rom 5:10

 

[1stCenturyLady]

They dont believe because He didnt die for them Jn 10:26, if He had died for them, they would be reconciled to God Rom 5:10

Oh, I get it now. You believe the heresy of limited atonement. ROFL

 

[brightfame52]

Oh, I get it now. You believe the heresy of limited atonement. ROFL

Yeah I believe it, and its a required Gospel Truth. You calling Gospel Truth heresy my friend