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[SIZE=12pt]I thought I was being clear about the relationship between religion and a relationship with God. One more time; the relationship between religion and a relationship with God is similar to a relationship between language and communication. Religion is simply the language we use to communicate with God. Without language (a shared lexicon) we could not communicate with each other - without religion we cannot communicate with God.[/SIZE]
What makes you think you need religion to talk to God, I can talk to God because He is not deaf, I can even visit Him in heaven because of what Christ has done, and many have. But religion takes that all away and put God at arms length. Is He your father or Not??

[SIZE=12pt]By your very words, you learned that there is a God from religion - without religion, you would still be in the dark. Also, God spoke to you about Himself through the language of religion. Because religion is the language you speak, God used it to teach you about Himself.[/SIZE]

And you have placed God in a box, God you cant do anything without religion, that is you, not Him that is doing the limiting.


It is not a matter of 'what God needs', it is a bout what God chooses to use. He uses our language, which is religion to speak to us. Makes sense, because Jesus meets us where we are at. If you are going to ask why God uses religion to communicate with us, you need to ask the same thing about everything God uses.
It is not His choosing it is yours, you choose to put Him away and let Him out when you need Him, it is you who says, you cant talk to Him without religion.

God is,

Not deaf,
His arms are long enough to reach anyone.
He is full of Grace
He is full of Love
He is filled with Life
He is filled with Wisdom
He can reach anyone with or without religion, with or without the bible. with or without our Help,

He created the world, the heavens the stars, us, the animals, all plant life than we say, God you cant do anything without religion. He was doing fine without it in the beginning and He will do fine without it now and in the end.

Why do you Limit him so?.

in all His Love
 

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mjrhealth said:
What makes you think you need religion to talk to God, I can talk to God because He is not deaf, I can even visit Him in heaven because of what Christ has done, and many have. But religion takes that all away and put God at arms length. Is He your father or Not??
Translation: "what makes you think my misunderstanding of the definition of religion (empty ritual and legalism) is necessary for me to talk to God? I can talk to God without understanding who His is or what language to speak because He isn't deaf. I can even visit Him in Heaven, (despite the fact that the term Heaven is a religious term) and know that He is in Heaven (which is another religious concept, along with the idea of calling Him, in the first place) despite the fact that everyone knows that calling God 'Him' or any other term is a part of religious idea that I cannot possibly know anything about because I am not religious. Furthermore, my ability to visit God in Heaven is based on my understanding of Christ's sacrifice on the Cross and my redemption, which is part of the religion I have rejected. See, my misunderstanding of religion (empty ritual and legalism) takes everything about God away! Are you really a Christian?!"

I am wondering, are you just going to ask me the same question over and over again? You are proving my assumption correct - you just don't get it.

And you have placed God in a box, God you cant do anything without religion, that is you, not Him that is doing the limiting.
Your denial of religious terms and teachings that you have incorporated into your mis-shaped doctrine provides you with no more understanding of God than anyone else, mjr. In fact, it invites private interpretation and heresy.

It is not His choosing it is yours, you choose to put Him away and let Him out when you need Him, it is you who says, you cant talk to Him without religion.
Yep, I said it. We need religion to know who God is and how to talk with Him. And I will also restate why you hate religion - it is based on the doctrine of the Reformation, which equated religion with the Temple and the Temple with the Vatican; the artificial relationship with organized religion and the antiChrist, was necessary to justify their decision to break from the Vatican.

God is,

Not deaf,
His arms are long enough to reach anyone.
He is full of Grace
He is full of Love
He is filled with Life
He is filled with Wisdom
He can reach anyone with or without religion, with or without the bible. with or without our Help
Completely irrelevant.

He created the world, the heavens the stars, us, the animals, all plant life than we say,

Which can only be known by reading Genesis or being educated by someone who has read Genesis - all part of religion.

God you cant do anything without religion.
Yet, we would never know about who His is or what he has done without religion

He was doing fine without it in the beginning and He will do fine without it now and in the end.
Of course religion is not about God's well being, it is about how we relate to Him and He relates to us.

Why do you Limit him so?.
It is your misunderstanding of religion that limits your relationship with God, friend.
 

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Rom 8:26 NIV In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
 

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ATP said:
Rom 8:26 NIV In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
That is a powerful religious statement - a good reminder that the Holy Spirit assists us in prayer when words fail to capture what we truly need to say to God.
 

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It is your misunderstanding of religion that limits your relationship with God, friend.
You will never know untill that day we meet in heaven. You think that God need religion, men do, as you put it, "it is Mans Way", yes not Gods. The hardest people on earth to convicne of teh truth are " the religious", look at the hard time Jesus had with them. nothing has changed.

That is a powerful religious statement - a good reminder that the Holy Spirit assists us in prayer when words fail to capture what we truly need to say to God.
No not a relgious statement just words from the bible.

Which can only be known by reading Genesis or being educated by someone who has read Genesis - all part of religion.
I have read books on repairing cars, yet I am no mechainc, i read books on flying planes yet i am no pilot. i worship the living God yet I am not religious.

So simple why do you make it so hard.

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mjrhealth said:
You will never know untill that day we meet in heaven. You think that God need religion, men do, as you put it, "it is Mans Way", yes not Gods. The hardest people on earth to convicne of teh truth are " the religious", look at the hard time Jesus had with them. nothing has changed.


No not a relgious statement just words from the bible.

I have read books on repairing cars, yet I am no mechainc, i read books on flying planes yet i am no pilot. i worship the living God yet I am not religious.

So simple why do you make it so hard.

In all His Love
Do you worship God?
 

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pom2014 said:
Do you worship God?
You did not read it did you....

Religion uses God to get the people in the door just like businesses use superstars to con people to buy there products.

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mjrhealth said:
You did not read it did you....

Religion uses God to get the people in the door just like businesses use superstars to con people to buy there products.

In all His Love
Again do you worship God?

Its a yes or no question.
 

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Religion

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Religion is simply a term...if you consider yourself a Chirstian, consider yourself religious...
 
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justaname said:
Religion

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Religion is simply a term...if you consider yourself a Chirstian, consider yourself religious...
This is just a question...
What would you say to those who say Jesus is greater than religion? Based off of your definition. Like ATP, there are those who say they only need Christ and not religion. That is the new thing for the up and coming generation.
 

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pom2014 said:
Again do you worship God?

Its a yes or no question.

Since you have semingly not real all mo post, I guess I will have to help you along.

I have read books on repairing cars, yet I am no mechainc, i read books on flying planes yet i am no pilot. i worship the living God yet I am not religious.
Why are you so offended, see i am not religiuos,

I worship the Living god, He is the God of the living not of the dead and He is it not the "unknown god".
I do not Go to church.
Belong to any demonination
Have any idols, including the bible, region, statues, crosses, people nor any country or demintaion,

I belong to Jesus and him alone I can have nothing before Him, not religion, church, mens doctrines nor any man.

Why is it such a problem for you.

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mjrhealth said:
Since you have semingly not real all mo post, I guess I will have to help you along.


Why are you so offended, see i am not religiuos,

I worship the Living god, He is the God of the living not of the dead and He is it not the "unknown god".
I do not Go to church.
Belong to any demonination
Have any idols, including the bible, region, statues, crosses, people nor any country or demintaion,

I belong to Jesus and him alone I can have nothing before Him, not religion, church, mens doctrines nor any man.

Why is it such a problem for you.

In all His love
The problem is in your rigid instance that although you admit to worshipping God and therefore have a religion by definition; you wish to not use that word because humanity has set your mind against it.

Humans have defiled that word so much you are being contrary for contrary sake. It is like you claiming the sky is green just so you won't have to say blue. Because blue has, by experience, gives you a bad memory.

This is a dysfunctional method of thought.

Why do I care? Because if some reality as small as this can make you so adamant in thought; it makes me concerned that you harbor other like this.
 

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admit to worshipping God and therefore have a religion by definition
Man is that what this is all about. pedantics, as if God cares about such silly things. There are a lot more important things than silly words, its the souls of men are far more important.

And yes you are right, "I despise religion and what it has done" it has muddied the name of God, it has murdered the inocent, condemned and slaughtered the prophets, sold the souls of men for ransom, tortured the faithful, undone all our Lords good works, lied to man, put men into bondage, made slaves of mankind. I cannot belong to any religion, i will just stick to teh one that is faithfull and true.

Jesus.

in all his Love