Religious but lost:

[BreadOfLife]

You have not shown clearly any scripture that refutes or is truly contradictory to the verses that I have presented. Also, within every cherry is a seed that can produce an entire tree.

WRONG.

Cherry-picking Scripture is always a bad idea. It is the reason that we have tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects – ALL teaching different doctrines and ALL claiming to have the “truth”.

The only thing it has sown are the seeds of confusion . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

God didn’t have any LESS power in the Old Covenant than He has in the New Covenant.

Actually, He gives His power to His people in the new covenant (John 7:37-39, Acts of the Apostles 1:8).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Actually, He gives His power to His people in the new covenant (John 7:37-39, Acts of the Apostles 1:8).

Once again – being given the power to endure doesn’t mean that this power is utilized.

There were many in the Early Church who chose to live when faced the choice of being fed to wild beats or renounce their faith.

You can be given the grace to believe and reject it. Grace is a GIFT that must be accepted and cooperated with – otherwise it cannot work.

This is the case with ANY gift. God doesn’t force His gifts on anybody.
He doesn’t have an army of programmed robots – but a Body of believers who CHOOSE to follow Him.

 

[justbyfaith]

Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved (?) through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved (?) through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I agree with this verse 100%. We ARE saved by God’s grace.
That’s been my point ALL along.

HOWEVER, unless we cooperate with that grace – it doesn’t do us ONE bit of good.

 

[justbyfaith]

I agree with this verse 100%. We ARE saved by God’s grace.
That’s been my point ALL along.

HOWEVER, unless we cooperate with that grace – it doesn’t do us ONE bit of good.

The only cooperation required is faith; through which we abide in Jesus (John 15:1-8, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).

 

[BreadOfLife]

The only cooperation required is faith; through which we abide in Jesus (John 15:1-8, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).

That all depends on what YOU call "faith".
Please define faith . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

That all depends on what YOU call "faith".
Please define faith . . .

Believing in and on Jesus and what He did for you on the Cross.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Believing in and on Jesus and what He did for you on the Cross.

That’s not faith – that’s belief.

That is a Biblical truth.

We are told in scripture that even the DEMONS believe in Biblical truth (James 2:19) – but they don’t have faith.

Faith requires our cooperation with – our response to God’s grace – which the demons do NOT do.

 

[justbyfaith]

There is a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith (mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel) that may transform the life for a season but does not eternally save; and there is also a heart righteousness (Romans 10:10) where John 5:24, John 6:47, and John 10:27-30 apply.

Faith and belief are synonymous impaho. I believe that much heresy has developed over taking words in scripture that are basically synonymous and wanting to make them mean things that are different from each other.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith (mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel) that may transform the life for a season but does not eternally save; and there is also a heart righteousness (Romans 10:10) where John 5:24, John 6:47, and John 10:27-30 apply.

Faith and belief are synonymous impaho. I believe that much heresy has developed over taking words in scripture that are basically synonymous and wanting to make them mean things that are different from each other.

No - faith and believe are not synonymous.
They are similar - but belief is just a component of faith. Faith is explained in Scripture as being FAR more than belief.

In the verses you listed, "belief" is contextualized by the Scripture as obedience. That's what faith is - surrender and obedience. Simply believing that Christ dies for your sons gets you nowhere until you surrender to Him and obey His commands (John 14:15, 15:10) and DO His will (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22).

Otherwise - you're NO better off than the demons (James 2:19) . . .

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Are you aware of what it says in Romans 11:26?

Yes I am totally aware of that fact and that Israel is the Servants of God and that means that such are truly born again Christians in fact Saved.

No Jew is saved as they are Anti-Christ in fact. no one could be so stupid not to understand the fact.

The only Jews that were saved were the ones who followed in Jesus Christ or truly represented God in the OT and Jesus did come for them and that were in purgatory waiting for him to come. apart from that the Jews are of no account for 2000 years and for ever as the only way is through Jesus Christ and anyone who try's to promote Jews being anything other is of the Anti-Christ as the fact is that all under Christ Jesus are as one body as their is nether Jew or Gentile in fact and anyone who peddles otherwise is of Satan.

A true Christian only Serves Jesus Christ come hell or high water, as all other is of Satan and that is a fact, as if it's not of Jesus Christ then such it's coming from Satan.
Jesus does not have anything to do with them who don't know him.
So why would a Christian listen to anyone who does not know Jesus Christ let alone reject him. such a one is possessed by Satan to idolise the so called Jews, that's clear ! oh boy talk about skating on thin ice having an Anti-Christ persuade you.:

 

[justbyfaith]

No - faith and believe are not synonymous.

We will have to agree to disagree.

That's what faith is - surrender and obedience.

Faith is surrender...but it is not obedience. It produces obedience.

If obedience is included in the definition of faith, then Ephesians 2:8-9 does not hold true.

We are saved by grace through faith; but not of works. If works are included in faith then this makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes I am totally aware of that fact and that Israel is the Servants of God and that means that such are truly born again Christians in fact Saved.

No Jew is saved as they are Anti-Christ in fact. no one could be so stupid not to understand the fact.

The only Jews that were saved were the ones who followed in Jesus Christ or truly represented God in the OT and Jesus did come for them and that were in purgatory waiting for him to come. apart from that the Jews are of no account for 2000 years and for ever as the only way is through Jesus Christ and anyone who try's to promote Jews being anything other is of the Anti-Christ as the fact is that all under Christ Jesus are as one body as their is nether Jew or Gentile in fact and anyone who peddles otherwise is of Satan.

A true Christian only Serves Jesus Christ come hell or high water, as all other is of Satan and that is a fact, as if it's not of Jesus Christ then such it's coming from Satan.
Jesus does not have anything to do with them who don't know him.
So why would a Christian listen to anyone who does not know Jesus Christ let alone reject him. such a one is possessed by Satan to idolise the so called Jews, that's clear ! oh boy talk about skating on thin ice having an Anti-Christ persuade you.:

All of Israel shall be saved in the last days (Romans 11:26); and in the meantime there is a remnant (Romans 11:1-6, esp. v.5).

Of course salvation is only through faith in Jesus Christ.

Do you believe that it is impossible for a Jewish person to come to faith in Jesus?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

We will have to agree to disagree.



Faith is surrender...but it is not obedience. It produces obedience.

If obedience is included in the definition of faith, then Ephesians 2:8-9 does not hold true.

We are saved by grace through faith; but not of works. If works are included in faith then this makes no sense whatsoever.



All of Israel shall be saved in the last days (Romans 11:26); and in the meantime there is a remnant (Romans 11:1-6, esp. v.5).

Of course salvation is only through faith in Jesus Christ.

Do you believe that it is impossible for a Jewish person to come to faith in Jesus?

I am a Jewish person.

Look at all the Jews who came to Christ Jesus back in the day ? yes they sure did.
Look at all the people who were Jewish who had came to understand who Jesus truly is over 2000 years.

Anyone who claims that Jews can not become Christians is of Satan ! and I have had religious so called Christian people claim that I am not a Christian to my face in a rage, demanding that I am a Jew because of my sir name. I would hate to be in 1939 Germany with such people as them peddling there dribble. the thing is that such as they are oblivious too brain washed to be able too talk to, that I just had to walk away from them, or I maybe would end up punching them, as their ignorance is astounding, for they are Satanist for sure wolves in sheep's clothing. I mean how rude and the un mitigating gall of such people. if I was not a Christian I would of demanded they were Nazis and lashed out at them on the spot, what an insult ! I just thought what's the point of talking to such people.

Romans 11 that you put forward has been done.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Reggie Belafonte,

I am praying for you that you will begin to bear some good fruit.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

@Reggie Belafonte,

I am praying for you that you will begin to bear some good fruit.

What are you on about, I am a Christian, of Jewish decent some where along the line, my dad looked like a Jew but I don't.
My dads side were all Christians going back 4 generations from him that I know of, so how can some ignorant fool claim that I am a Jew.

Fact is I do not believe in Jews as being a race at all and only Satanist fools believe such rubbish, as anyone who understands the Bible knows it's not about a race but the Holy Spirit that one needs and that's why Jesus Christ came in fact.
Anyone who thinks that a race is going to help the world is of Satan in fact, even the Jews going back 2000 years or more were hopeless fools who were lost bar for the Prophets of God, not to mention they had no hope until Jesus Christ came.
All true Israel followed Jesus Christ in fact and all who did not were not worthy at all, they missed the boat in fact one could say and are a curse in fact to God.
Fact is that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son, lets be clear on that fact and that anyone who claims other wise be anathema.

 

[justbyfaith]

Fact is that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son, lets be clear on that fact and that anyone who claims other wise be anathema.

I'm certainly not claiming otherwise...

Just saying that the fruit of the Holy Spirit is among other things gentleness.