Rest In Your Residency

[Phoneman777]

Well, are you seeking God? You know the commandments (edit--lol; just read post 217). And even though we are trapped, completely, in Law now, you can see the end, already, of claiming to somehow be supreme, be better than others, because you can justify that God is on your side, and somehow not on some other side, that you have separated yourself from. We live in an Empire in Decadence, stage 5, so the examples that we can apply to our personal walk are written on the world stage, which of course you are free to misinterpret according to your personal bias, if you are invested in the world in some way; if you trust a military to protect you ("so we don't have to sacrifice," i mean there it is, right in your songs), or even a doctor to keep you healthy, or an economy to keep you housed and fed, then this trust is going to be abused, just count on it, and you are going to be dependent upon a fear/scarcity model, just like the rest of the sea around you, and you are most likely willing to defend it to the death, too, convinced that God wants you to defend a border, or maintain a lifestyle, or drone bomb people you have never met and have nothing against, on the other side of the planet. This voice is from God; "I will harden their hearts." And the end of this is plainly written, too; "Your worst fears will come upon you."

So, having life and death set before us, and choosing death, is also hearing the voice of God, Who plainly tells us that the choice is ours to make. The hearing you ask about comes by the Word, and It is of course very near to you, and one would think that the choice would be a no-brainer, but hating your life is not the intuitive choice that we make, is it? It is a very hard choice, to even hear God. We build enormous edifices, Insurance, Social Security, Mutually Assured Destruction, all so that we don't have to sacrifice, right? So that we don't have to listen to God, or even try to hear Him. And we do this enthusiastically, because it seems like God would approve, so we use our knowledge to construct edifices and become righteous and know things, forgetting that Christ came for the sinners, not the righteous. If you have insurance, see, you bought it out of fear, and not trusting God, as weird as that may seem to you or someone else right now, and so you now you have insurance, and you do not need God anymore; and God is going to respect this choice.

I pick on insurance, because i used to sell it, but like 90% of the planet is not insured, and they do fine; they're actually outliving us now, in many of those places.

So anyway, i don't guess i answered your Q very well; i know what you are asking, and i guess my answer is that i don't know, lol, because the answer is different depending upon who you talk to. "There is a way that seems right to a man, that ends in death." How does one avoid this, and come to hear and obey God, rather than abuse God to justify themselves and their way of life? Unfortunately all of the answers i might give end up being kind of condemning, at least to most people.

I mean, if you are a Christian, say you are a Christian, i might ask you about your experience walking out Christ's first instructions to those He "sent," the Twelve--if you say you are an Apostle of Christ. How did that go for you? Did you physically do it, or did you accomplish this more as a spiritual exercise, wherein you can at least confidently employ and identify all of the relevant symbology...or did you even do it at all? Have you even attempted it as a thought exercise? Because i already know you have never heard a sermon on it, of course, not in a Christian church, in america. For reasons that are now kind of apparent, i guess; the models are mutually exclusive.

So, i don't mean to be condemning people who are doing their best to seek God, and going to some congregation somewhere because that is the socially accepted thing to do; but nonetheless i can read, right in Matt or Luke, about Christ sending out the 12, or even the 70, which we shy away from, i guess because we do not see what we are reading having application to us, we don't see any demons coming out of people, a la miraculously, like the picture our mind gives us when we read that, and so we don't take that first step. So i guess that is how you know--by getting hearing.

You could, alternately, ask some little kid what to do about a given situation, and do what they tell you, no matter what. Lol. Brings up interesting reflections of "hate your life" and "We don't want to hear Him again; let Him talk to you, and you tell us." Huh? Lol. Have a good day.

The short, correct answer is this: "To the Law and to the Testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20 KJV

If a voice comes to you and tells you anything that contradicts the Word of God, that voice is not of God - THAT is how you know, friend. We've got to "try the spirits" to make sure they are not lying spirits.

 

[mjrhealth]

If a voice comes to you and tells you anything that contradicts the Word of God, that voice is not of God - THAT is how you know, friend. We've got to "try the spirits" to make sure they are not lying spirits.

God cant contradict God not Jesus or the Holy spirirt He doesnt have to agree with teh bible.....

 

[mjrhealth]

You don't love Jesus because you yourself admit that you freely do those things which made it necessary to suffer and die an unspeakable death on the Cross. Sin is your master, not God. Accusing those of us who hate sin for what it did to Jesus as equally guilty as YOU will not deliver you in the Day of Judgment, friend. Turn from you sin NOW and by God's grace and help become an overcomer like me and all those who will be in the Kingdom.

Do I sin, yes I do, do you sin yes you do, do you keep his commandmendts?? no you dont no one can. am I free to sin no,a are you free to sin no, can you stop yourself from sinning?? no, many have tried, putting themslevs under the law, beating themselves with whips, hinding in mountain tops, wearing sack cloth sleeping on straw all trying to Beat the flesh into submission yet all have failed, Jesus didnt come to stop you sining He came so sin would no longer condemn you. I know I am forgiven and I know I am saved no works of my own all His, I have passed from death to Life, sin no longer troubles me.yet it seems to trouble you how can that be if you are free in Christ. He who He sets free is free in deed.

Why do you have so much trouble with Grace????? Its a free gift, if you have to earn it its not free and no longer grace.

become an overcomer like me

overcome what???

 

[bbyrd009]

i think it is prolly silly for Christians to be debating theory with Catholics, anyway, but in this area of "all those who will be in the kingdom," which implies "someday, maybe (after you die, of course); if you are me, or accept what i know for a fact as truth," this death-cult thing most everyone seems to have embraced now, iow, i would be overcoming that if i could. I'm not sure how one who has let apostates interpret their Bible for them could do that, even,

...His kingdom is an eternal kingdom, and His dominion is from generation to generation.

but i would sure run, like the wind, from anyone telling you that Paul craved death in order to be with Jesus, or that the kingdom begins in some indeterminate future. This is not the Message of Christ, with all due respect.

 

[Phoneman777]

God cant contradict God not Jesus or the Holy spirirt He doesnt have to agree with teh bible.....

What doctrine of demons is this? Of COURSE God must agree with the Bible because truth is as eternal as the God which speaks it. You've been listening to the voices of demons which have convinced you otherwise.

 

[Phoneman777]

Do I sin, yes I do, do you sin yes you do, do you keep his commandmendts?? no you dont no one can. am I free to sin no,a are you free to sin no, can you stop yourself from sinning?? no, many have tried, putting themslevs under the law, beating themselves with whips, hinding in mountain tops, wearing sack cloth sleeping on straw all trying to Beat the flesh into submission yet all have failed, Jesus didnt come to stop you sining He came so sin would no longer condemn you. I know I am forgiven and I know I am saved no works of my own all His, I have passed from death to Life, sin no longer troubles me.yet it seems to trouble you how can that be if you are free in Christ. He who He sets free is free in deed.

Why do you have so much trouble with Grace????? Its a free gift, if you have to earn it its not free and no longer grace.

overcome what???

What gun is held to your head forcing you to sin? Of course, there is no gun necessary, because your LOVE OF SIN is what motivates you to do it. My LOVE FOR JESUS motivates me to resist the devil until he flees. That's the difference between an overcomer of sin, which I am, and a slave to sin, which you are, friend.

Now is the acceptable time. Today is the day of salvation. Today, if you hear His voice, harden not your heart. Turn away from that pornography, that wild music, that anger toward others, that jealous covetousness, or whatever the sin is that you admit you are a slave to and be an overcomer like Jesus and those of us who truly love Him.

 

[Phoneman777]

i think it is prolly silly for Christians to be debating theory with Catholics, anyway, but in this area of "all those who will be in the kingdom," which implies "someday, maybe (after you die, of course); if you are me, or accept what i know for a fact as truth," this death-cult thing most everyone seems to have embraced now, iow, i would be overcoming that if i could. I'm not sure how one who has let apostates interpret their Bible for them could do that, even,

...His kingdom is an eternal kingdom, and His dominion is from generation to generation.

but i would sure run, like the wind, from anyone telling you that Paul craved death in order to be with Jesus, or that the kingdom begins in some indeterminate future. This is not the Message of Christ, with all due respect.

I agree, except your differentiation between "Catholics and Christians", because there are many Catholic Christians (Christian = "follower of Christ"). As for me, I always use "Catholics and Protestants" which is and always has been the crux of the issue: Protestantism and "Sola Scriptura" versus Catholicism and "Scripture AND Sacred Traditon with Traditon above the Bible".

Yes, Paul never desired death, just to skip the intermediate state of death which is a state of complete non-existent insensibility. He wanted to be with Jesus immediately after his death, but he knew that would only happen when "we must all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ." Christ's kingdom cannot have commenced yet b/c He is yet to put on His kingly robes whilst He is wearing His High Priestly robes ministering as we speak in the Heavenly Sanctuary. That's why the thief on the Cross knew that he would be remembered "when Thou comest into thy kingdom", and not a day sooner. He is still awaiting the resurrection.

 

[Phoneman777]

i don't like to use just one, because it is too limiting imo. Eternal life is expressed many different ways, and the letter does not bring "life" anyway, which kind of literally means i cannot give you a writing that will bring you to eternal life. Hence why one needs Word, which is Life. I bet there is even a verse that says that--there has to be. That is a quote, and i just don't know from where. So see that the whole point kind of is no, i cannot give you a verse for that, unless you want me to go dig up that "Word is life" one.

Here's one I think you'll like: "The WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life." John 6:63 KJV

 

[mjrhealth]

What gun is held to your head forcing you to sin? Of course, there is no gun necessary, because your LOVE OF SIN is what motivates you to do it. My LOVE FOR JESUS motivates me to resist the devil until he flees. That's the difference between an overcomer of sin, which I am, and a slave to sin, which you are, friend.

Now is the acceptable time. Today is the day of salvation. Today, if you hear His voice, harden not your heart. Turn away from that pornography, that wild music, that anger toward others, that jealous covetousness, or whatever the sin is that you admit you are a slave to and be an overcomer like Jesus and those of us who truly love Him.

Me love sin. God forbid, it is all you speak off, is it not what a man speaks that is in his heart. Have you stopped sinning ?????? You havnt have you. See PM

I never overcame sin,.. Jesus did.

I never overcame death... Jesus did

I never took teh keys of hell from teh enemy... Jesus did

I am not worthy to open teh lambs book of life.. only Jesus is.

I will not stand before God enclothed in my righteousnees, as I have none of my own, it will be In His the righteousness of Christ, and so i have even teh sinner tha tis here before you has being before God because of Jesus. As I have said many time, He has so much to offer you but you are so willing to throw it all away to PROVE yourself worthy before God, what foolishness...

Isa_64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

When you stop sinning than you will have earned the right to come tell us all how you did it in your own strength. And you will be the first.....

 

[mjrhealth]

The WORDS that I speak unto yo

speak

speak
spiːk/
verb
verb: speak; 3rd person present: speaks; past tense: spoke; gerund or present participle: speaking; past participle: spoken
1.
say something in order to convey information or to express a feeling.
"in his agitation he was unable to speak"

synonyms:

talk, say (anything/something); More



The bible is the written word

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[FHII]

speak

speak
spiːk/
verb
verb: speak; 3rd person present: speaks; past tense: spoke; gerund or present participle: speaking; past participle: spoken
1.
say something in order to convey information or to express a feeling.
"in his agitation he was unable to speak" synonyms:
talk, say (anything/something); More


The bible is the written word

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Of course the Bible is the written word. They also contain words that were once spoken. Still no less potent.

2 Cor 3:6, by the way, is speaking of the Law of Moses and more specifically the 10 Commandments when it speaks of the letter (not the Bible).

 

[mjrhealth]

Of course the Bible is the written word. They also contain words that were once spoken. Still no less potent.

REally, which part....

So this was God speaking

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

those words where not spoken by God for Jesus responded

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Unless your God and satan are one and teh same. than I could agree with you.

 

[Phoneman777]

Me love sin. God forbid, it is all you speak off, is it not what a man speaks that is in his heart. Have you stopped sinning ?????? You havnt have you. See PM

I never overcame sin,.. Jesus did.

I never overcame death... Jesus did

I never took teh keys of hell from teh enemy... Jesus did

I am not worthy to open teh lambs book of life.. only Jesus is.

I will not stand before God enclothed in my righteousnees, as I have none of my own, it will be In His the righteousness of Christ, and so i have even teh sinner tha tis here before you has being before God because of Jesus. As I have said many time, He has so much to offer you but you are so willing to throw it all away to PROVE yourself worthy before God, what foolishness...

Isa_64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

When you stop sinning than you will have earned the right to come tell us all how you did it in your own strength. And you will be the first.....

You love sin and that is why you continue to practice it, plain and simple. If you hate it so much, then why do you still do it?

• Is there some unseen gun pointed at your head?
• Is there some kidnapper daily threatening the life of a loved one?
• Is there some agent of hell forcing you to do it?

No, it is none of the above - it is your own "lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life" which is the reason you continue to spit in the face of Jesus every time Satan comes along with his temptations - love for Jesus and His blood on the Cross do nothing to motivate you to stop doing what made necessary the death of my Savior, the Savior you claim to love so much but "crucify...afresh and put Him to an open shame."

"Trust and obey;
for there's no other way;'
to be happy in Jesus;
but to trust and obey."

 

[Phoneman777]

speak

speak
spiːk/
verb
verb: speak; 3rd person present: speaks; past tense: spoke; gerund or present participle: speaking; past participle: spoken
1.
say something in order to convey information or to express a feeling.
"in his agitation he was unable to speak"
synonyms:
talk, say (anything/something); More


The bible is the written word

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

The most wretched of all those who will stand amidst the throngs of the wicked awaiting fire from God out of heaven to come down and annihilate them will be those who knew it was every man's duty to deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow Jesus while proclaiming "not my will but Thy will" - but not only refused to do so themselves, but by their tireless rebellion to Jesus' plain command to do so, they led others to do the same as they had done.

 

[mjrhealth]

The most wretched of all those who will stand amidst the throngs of the wicked awaiting fire from God out of heaven to come down and annihilate them will be those who knew it was every man's duty to deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow Jesus while proclaiming "not my will but Thy will" - but not only refused to do so themselves, but by their tireless rebellion to Jesus' plain command to do so, they led others to do the same as they had done.

Se PM mwhile you are standing here trying to prove to the world what a rightouess man you are, teh rest of those, still sinners, are talking to Jesus visiting God and doing all the things we should be doing becuase they are wearing His rightousness and they have none of there own.

 

[bbyrd009]

with all due respect you both strike me as seeking Christ the best way you know how, and maybe you are just disagreeing over definitions of terms, essentially.

I'm still seeking a way out of this myself, ok, so don't get me wrong, but imo the remedy is going to be found in some sort of compromise, the old saw about God or faith being uncompromising notwithstanding here, because we are not talking about someone being asked to personally compromise their faith or anything, but to be at peace with their neighbors.

Hence, if you insist that the Book is the Word, i have no problem with that--but it is me who gets to interpret the Book, in that case.

i mean this as a mental exercise, of course, that might reflect an image closer to reality, for those seeking where they agree.

 

[Phoneman777]

Se PM mwhile you are standing here trying to prove to the world what a rightouess man you are, teh rest of those, still sinners, are talking to Jesus visiting God and doing all the things we should be doing becuase they are wearing His rightousness and they have none of there own.

You aren't talking to Jesus, friend - I believe you are conversing with demonic spirits, because only a demon would deceive someone into believing that God's Spirit does not have to agree with the Bible, which lie is flatly disproven by His plain words to us in Isaiah 8:20 KJV.

 

[mjrhealth]

You aren't talking to Jesus, friend - I believe you are conversing with demonic spirits, because only a demon would deceive someone into believing that God's Spirit does not have to agree with the Bible, which lie is flatly disproven by His plain words to us in Isaiah 8:20 KJV.

yes funny how a million christians cant agree with the bible ???? thats why these froums are here. and yet it is you that speaks so much of the devil and sin.???Out of a mans heart.....

 

[bbyrd009]

that's kind of why i hardly identify with the term "Christian" much anymore; it seems to have so little to do with Christ now. If there are Passages effectively unavailable to you, that make no sense or whatever in one's current model, that is a sign to me; but not one that the Book should just be dismissed.

So i don't really get where you are coming from there, either, mjr, although i'm sure you are as "saved" as anyone else on the planet who seeks God. But i would be curious what scenario you might envision wherein the Spirit would violate the Book? Even while i agree It supersedes the Book...

Anyway, i also agree that those re-laying the foundation, over and over, sin and death, death and sin, all day long, are obviously manifesting their faith as best they are able, and advertising right where they are at spiritually. And i know it is tempting to condemn them, but then you are just sucked back in to playing God imo, and this seems to be spreading death just as effectively. Although it is counter-intuitive, what you resist, persists.

ok and alla sudden you are saying "the" instead of "teh," what's up with that, you are freaking me out! :)

 

[mjrhealth]

So i don't really get where you are coming from there, either, mjr, although i'm sure you are as "saved" as anyone else on the planet who seeks God. But i would be curious what scenario you might envision wherein the Spirit would violate the Book? Even while i agree It supersedes the Book

Man is carnal God is spirit, men seek God in a book, when God seeks men in the Spirit.

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

that is why He has so few sons yet so many children.

Much to tell you but so few believe He is real and that they can have Him now because of what he did. He truly is amazing.