Resurrected glory question?

[DNB]

We can only know if their prophecies are true if they come to pass, which is recorded in the bible: Deuteronomy 18:22

"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

That's the case, and some will take a dream which is metaphoric or symbolic and even when it doesn't come to pass they say it has. But liternal prophecy is easy to discern. Because if it doesn't happen then it is not from God. A good example of this craziness is of course end prophecies: List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia

These prophecies seem to be mainstream. Or did I get that wrong?

Well, that's another problem with their proposition, mainstream or not, it can never be verified. And, this is why they always speak in ambiguities, just so anything fits their description, just like astrological predictions.
The evidence is clear that they are false, they have only repeated what is already known and foreshadowed from Scripture, but just spun it in their own words, or related it to a current event. Even a monkey can do that.

 

[101G]

2 Peter 1:4

and what is that glorious/divine nature?

1 Corinthians 15:38

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.(Heb 13:5) Changeless, Immutable. Jesus was a man when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming.

That <<Jesus was a man when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming>> I hope does not negate that Jesus was GOD when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[ChristisGod]

That <<Jesus was a man when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming>> I hope does not negate that Jesus was GOD when He walked this earth, when He Ascended and when He will return again at His 2nd Coming.

Yes there never was a time when Jesus did not remain fully God, before the Incarnation, during His 33 year earthly ministry and post Resurrection/Ascension.

In Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Jostler]

Jesus is a man, possessing a human soul, housed in a physical body that eats, can be handled, touched and felt by other physical beings. Jesus is still male, son of Mary and God. Jesus is NOW in heaven, seated at the right hand of the Father. Which is a "first"...

Jesus is God.

No man, before or since, has been presented to the Father in human flesh....but

1 John 3:2 NASB — Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

 

[Jostler]

Jesus retained His wounds. The spear penetration in His side is still big enough for a human hand to be inserted into. His nail scars probable with a human finger.

Jesus does not have a flesh and blood body any more. But His body is still very physical. Compatible with this 3 dimensional realm. His very physical body is also wholly compatible with the realms of spirit, the various heavens. He descended to the lowest realm of spirits (Hades) and to the lowest part of Hades (Tartarus, the Abyss)

 

[Jostler]

After 3 days, the power of God through the Spirit, clothed Him with a new body Hades could not hold. From there, He ascended far above the highest heaven, that Father might display proof that He IS Lord of All Creation, present and future

 

[Jostler]

On His way up, He cleared out Hades, the rigtheous dead who died in faith before the cross, gave gifts to men, stopped and poured out HIS OWN BLOOD on the Heavenly Mercy Seat, of which the earthly temple's mercy seat was a mere shadow. Thus performing His first act as our great High Priest after the Order of Melchizidek.

The New Covenant was confirmed, the priesthood administering it changed,, the sins of the whole world, past, present and future were "paid in full". Father's Justice was satisfied by the ONLY thing that could satisfy it besides an eye for an eye.....the mercy of our great King of all kings

 

[Jostler]

His body is now sustained, not by life in blood, He has none. It is now "powered...enlivened" by the glory of God...the shekina. What was a circulatory system carrying material made of clay, is now more analogous to a network of fiber optics....and so shall we be....IF we suffer with Him

 

[Jostler]

The power of the age to come.....is the manifest glory of God, now "one' with His beloved children....again ...and in a way even greater than Adam knew before the fall

 

[Jostler]

His body is now flesh and bone (not flesh and blood). And the "substance" of it, is from heaven, not earth. He is able to enter ALL realms, physical and spiritual, IN this new body. This body can walk through physical walls, and be transported great physical distances instantly. It is COMPATIBLE with three dimensional physics, but not bound by them

 

[Jostler]

2 Corinthians 5:4 NASB — For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

 

[farouk]

2 Corinthians 5:4 NASB — For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

@Jostler Ties in with 1 Corinthians 15 also...

 

[Jostler]

Yes Sir, it certainly does....Hallelujah!

 

[MattMooradian]

no one from earth is in heaven until Judgement Day

I agreed with everything you said until this statement. "The kingdom of God is within you". Heaven is here, now. Only, we cannot perceive it. We are enjoined to "enter God's rest"; that is Heaven.

 

[Jostler]

Yes that is something I wonder about, different degrees of glory of the resurrection.

I believe that understanding is very clearly taught in the passage you already quoted from Paul, where he compares resurrection bodies to the celestial lights, each differing in intensity, quality of light and often color. Some bodies generate light of their own nature and being, some can only reflect light that shines upon them. The "glory" of resurrection bodies,AND their capabilities will be no less diverse.

The "why" is expanded upon in the following passage:

John 12:24 NKJV — “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.

 

[Jostler]

Yeah there should be no need for reproduction that's for sure.

oh really are you certain? What are we to make of the fact that He gave mankind three great gifts in the Garden: food, FAMILY, and fruitful labor. Male and female created He THEM. Why? Because He desires "godly offspring".

Isaiah tells us " of the increase of His Kingdom, there shall be no end." His Kingdom is not only eternal, but eternally increasing. He created those stars for us, and we're going to need every one of them, plus multiple quadrillion more..

Androgyny is a luciferian concept, another manifestation of his rebellion against his Creator.....androgyny was never in God's mind, and is not now.

 

[DNB]

I agreed with everything you said until this statement. "The kingdom of God is within you". Heaven is here, now. Only, we cannot perceive it. We are enjoined to "enter God's rest"; that is Heaven.

Well, this might be case of semantics, I trust that you understood my point though, that no resurrection has taken place, nor Judgment Day. Thus, he saw no one that ever lived on earth, walking around in heaven.
But, honestly, maybe our disagreement is not semantics, I'm not entirely sure that I understood your depiction of heaven? Is it here on earth right now, or once we enter into God's rest?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Yes there never was a time when Jesus did not remain fully God, before the Incarnation, during His 33 year earthly ministry and post Resurrection/Ascension.

In Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily. “Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells (is present) bodily in Jesus.

Thank you. Correct. So the ENTIRE Fullness of Deity IN THE FULL FELLOWSHIP OF THE TRINITY OF THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT present and dwelling bodily in Jesus Christ TRIUMPHANTLY SUFFERED AND DIED THE DEATH OF DEATH. To God alone all glory!

How good is it when we sing God's praises in the same language.