Revelation 12 walk through

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Douggg

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Show me anywhere in Scripture where the 1,185th day magically becomes the starting point for the 1,290 AND 1,335 days, all BEFORE 1,260th day.
The abomination of desolation setup is in Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

So simply subtract 1335 from day 2520, the day of Jesus's return, to get day 1185.

Then from day 1185 count forward 1290 days to day 2475. It does not say in Daniel 12:11 what happens on day 2475. But it can be determined by what is in Matthew 24:29-30a.


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

counrt forward 1290 days paart 5.jpg

 

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Why are you so reluctant to say what program you used to make your chart ? Did you actually make the chart or someone else ?
 

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I am a retired engineer. So do I. I prepared project drawings and specifications. I also worked on project time lines.

The word midst in Daniel 9:27 does not mean exact middle.

The Hebrew word for KJV "midst" in Daniel 9:27 most definitely DOES mean the exact half, or middle.

OT:2677
chetsiy (khay-tsee'); from OT:2673; the half or middle:

KJV - half, middle, mid [-night], midst, part, two parts.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
 

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You wrote:
[.................."one week" = 7 years (2520 days)---------][-Jesus comes-]
[------1260 days------][AOD][------1260 days-------][day of the Lord]
[-------------------------------------------------------][----30 days----][--45-- days]
[-------------------------------------------------------][---cleansing---][--blessing--]


You can call what you typed - a time line. But not a chart. And the second, third, fourth, lines are incorrect.

It is... a CHART, because I SAY SO SINCE I CREATED IT.

I don't need some stuck-up, full of theirself busy-body to try and tell me what it is. My CHART is clear, UNCLUTTERED (unlike your chart you did with expensive graphics software, as IF a software drawing program were needed, what a JOKE!)

And ANYONE can simply say, "that isn't correct" with giving NO EVIDENCE to back up what they say, and all that shows is they like to clown.
 

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The abomination of desolation setup is in Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

So simply subtract 1335 from day 2520, the day of Jesus's return, to get day 1185.

Then from day 1185 count forward 1290 days to day 2475. It does not say in Daniel 12:11 what happens on day 2475. But it can be determined by what is in Matthew 24:29-30a.

Your chart is mathematical gymnastics — a cleverly dressed set of assumptions, not sound exegesis. You’ve forced Daniel into your pre-designed seven-year box and smoothed over the text to make the numbers fit. That’s not interpretation; it’s manufacture.

Daniel 12:11
"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Read it plainly: the verse marks a sequence — a movement from one point to another — not a spreadsheet to be rearranged by moving time around like you do. The most straightforward, text-driven reading is this: from the taking away of the daily sacrifice (Point A) to the setting up of the abomination (Point B) is 1,290 days. Point C (the blessed who wait) is reached at 1,335 days. In short, A → B = 1,290; B → C culminates at 1,335.

This yields a logical progression (spiritual timeframes, not calendar tricks): 1,260 represents the period of faithful testimony for the Salvation gospel (the era of the two witnesses). After 1,260 their testimony ends. They lie dead in the streets for a period (the thirty days of silence/inactivity), and at 1,290 the decisive fall/abomination becomes evident — the external church as a kingdom representative collapses and falls into desolation. The faithful then “come out” at 1,290 when they see the abomination of desolation within the Church and wait standing afar off from Mystery Babylon until the consummation at 1,335. That is a coherent, text-centered reading — unlike your contrived timeline.

Daniel 12:12
"Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

So stop disguising private arithmetic as biblical proof. Your chart doesn’t follow the grammar or sequence of the passage; it forces a false framework on the text. And to be absolutely clear: 1,335 is not imaginary, 2,520 like you think!
 

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The Hebrew word for KJV "midst" in Daniel 9:27 most definitely DOES mean the exact half, or middle.

OT:2677
chetsiy (khay-tsee'); from OT:2673; the half or middle:

KJV - half, middle, mid [-night], midst, part, two parts.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Nope!

Your logic is shallow. If I tell you I’ll meet you in the “midst of the week,” you may assume I mean Wednesday — but if I show up Friday, it’s still the midst of the week! In the same way, the sacrifice and obligation continued until the last elect is secured which will not be complete in the exact middle of the week but somewhere within the week ,depending on when the last Elect was secured. These are spiritual numbers pointing to real spans of time known only to God, not literal calendar dates you can plot with a ruler.

The 1,260 symbolizes the era of faithful testimony until the final elect are sealed — not a literal countdown beginning at Pentecost. What supposedly happened 1,260 years after 33 AD? Nothing. The church was still pressing forward with the gospel until all the elect are secured, Revelation 7:1-4.

But if you insist on a wooden, premillennial fantasy — with a seven-year peace treaty patched together by a “gap theory” — then you’re just chasing after fables. I can’t help you unless the Lord Himself grants you understanding. Selah!
 

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[.................."one week" = A spiritual period of Covenant week ---------][-Jesus comes-]
[------1260 days------]Death of 2 Wit[-----------1290 days------------][1335 day]
[-----------------------[----30 days----][-----------45 days--------------]
[----------------------------------------][---------cleansing--------------][--blessing--]
[----------------------------------------][-1 hr judgment of the Whore-]

Psst—let me spell it out for you. The “cleansing” is not your man-made theory of cleaning a physical temple. It is when God Himself removes His saints out of Mystery Babylon as He brings judgment upon the unfaithful church. Revelation 18:10,17,19 makes it plain: one symbolic hour — the hour of desolation. That is the judgment. After this, Christ returns.

And of course, you may protest that the one hour does "seem" to be aligned with 1,260 days if you take these literally, but they are both symbolically that speak about the SAME time period, according to God - the desolation of the church and her judgment. Selah!
 
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29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
you have some problems here if you believe such things are letteral. if he sun go's dark we freeze to death . as for the stars falling ,every star out there is massively bigger than the earth
 

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The beast-king person will the Antichrist person who will have been killed and brought back to life. Not brought back to life by Satan, as Satan does not have that sort of power.

In Isaiah 14:18-20, in disdain for the person, God returns the person back to life.

Isaiah 14:
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Verse 20 indicates that the person will be a Jew.
In Rev. God gives Satan and His antiChrist/ false Prophet to have the power to work miracles.
 

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you have some problems here if you believe such things are letteral. if he sun go's dark we freeze to death . as for the stars falling ,every star out there is massively bigger than the earth
The stars don't literally fall upon the earth. When the second heaven parts like a scroll, the stars will appear to fall on the horizon.
 

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In Rev. God gives Satan and His antiChrist/ false Prophet to have the power to work miracles.
Which particular verse says that ?

The miracles that the false prophet and the beast perform are lying wonders of Satan working in the background. Revelation 13:4 Revelation 13:7. Revelation 13:12. 2Thessalonians2:9

2Thessalonians2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
 

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The Hebrew word for KJV "midst" in Daniel 9:27 most definitely DOES mean the exact half, or middle.

OT:2677
chetsiy (khay-tsee'); from OT:2673; the half or middle:

KJV - half, middle, mid [-night], midst, part, two parts.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
That word is used in the following verse:

Psalm 102:24 I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst (H2677) of my days: thy years are throughout all generations.

Do you think David was asking God not to take him away in the exact middle of his life? No, of course he wasn't. So, the word can mean the exact half or middle and it can also mean the midst (not exact half or middle).

Jeremiah 17:11 As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst (H2677) of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.

Is this talking about someone getting riches by evil means and then losing his riches in the exact middle of his life? No, of course not. It's talking about someone gaining riches unfairly and then losing them at some point in the midst of their life and then being exposed as a fool.
 
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…Okay, whatever helps you sleep at night with your carnal mathematical thinking…

Do you really think... that making JOKES about God's written Word helps others to believe you?? They see you as an immature child when you post childish things.


So let me get this straight: you do NOT believe the Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy involves numbers and math, right?

Then WHY does that Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy give those 3 prophetic Periods involving events according to a mathematical timeline??



Yet I think I understand why you can't wrap your brain around the math of that Dan.9 seventy weeks prophecy. Possibly you didn't do well in math in school, maybe too busy mocking other peoples you didn't like, or trying to act like you were smart. Every school class has a class clown ya' know.
 

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Do you really think... that making JOKES about God's written Word helps others to believe you?? They see you as an immature child when you post childish things.

Oh, so now you’re more righteous than Elijah? He openly mocked the prophets of Baal, yet you call it ‘childish.’ Maybe your problem isn’t my words but your thin skin when Scripture cuts against falsehood. If holy sarcasm offends you, perhaps it’s because you’re siding with the wrong crowd, perhaps? hlo

So let me get this straight: you do NOT believe the Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy involves numbers and math, right?

How many times have I already told you this the other day? Are you not listening, or do you simply choose to ignore the truth? The final week of Daniel 9:27 began with Christ’s death and resurrection, inaugurating the New Covenant. That last ‘week’ is not a mere literal calendar continuation but a spiritual period beyond literal chronology, directly concerning the New Testament church.

It is also a serious mistake to insist that the 70th week must be a literal 7 years. Both Preterists and Dispensationalists fall into error by forcing their interpretations, whether tying it to Christ’s ministry, the end of Jewish animal sacrifice or even including the fall of the physical temple in 70AD, or by inventing a false 2,000-year gap to create a future tribulation. Either way, they are trapped by the same flawed assumption.

Then WHY does that Daniel 9 seventy weeks prophecy give those 3 prophetic Periods involving events according to a mathematical timeline??


I think I explained the chronology of the 70 weeks in the Daniel 9 before. The 7 and 62 weeks prophesied are specifically only to the coming of Messiah the Prince. That's the prophesy, which I already went into detail before. Then it continues, after the 62 weeks Messiah is cut off and He confirms the covenant for one week. It doesn't say when Messiah comes he is immediately cut off, because that would be ridiculous and confusion. There has to be time between Messiah's coming, and His cutting off. The prophesy is specifically to the coming of Messiah, and the word of God shows this official fulfillment was in 29 ad. Then the prophesy continues, after the 69 weeks Messiah is cut off, but not for Himself. So the question is, "when, after," and the answer is, obviously at the cross.

Again, these are not literal weeks or time periods that we add up like years. This last week has lasted almost 2000 years, the 62 previous only 434, and the 7 before that only 38 years. There are no missing years, there is no gap between 29AD and 33AD because there was never a prophesy of literal years. The 70th week is after the coming of Messiah and after the 69 weeks, as was prophesied. The cutting off of Messiah was NEVER prophesied to be 69 and 1 week. They aren't weeks at all, it is literally 70 sevens or "complete" time periods. I think you are trying to count the 69 weeks as literal years. That's a no- no. They aren't literally 70 weeks of years. There is one key directing us to the Jubilee period, and its not literal years! There is another key to the coming of Messiah, and its not 62 years. And another for the whole New Covenant period, and its not a week (or 7). Yet there is complete semetry, harmoney and cohesiveness to it all. Three distinct periods, one "COMPLETE" time signified by the number 70!

Actually, I think that is where a lot of date setters out there get into trouble, attempting to add literal years, when God has never prophesied it that way. Whether 70 weeks of Daniel, 1260 days in the wilderness, 1000 years of Revelation, 2300 days before the sanctuary will be cleansed, the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses lay in the streets or one hour of judgment of the unfaithful church. God doesn't work that way!! These are all spiritual lengths of time. There are no gaps in these times, because they were never meant as literal years. They are "KEYS" directing us to certain spiritual truths occuring at certain times. The anointing, the Church age, the New Covenant Millennial period, etc.

Yet I think I understand why you can't wrap your brain around the math of that Dan.9 seventy weeks prophecy. Possibly you didn't do well in math in school, maybe too busy mocking other peoples you didn't like, or trying to act like you were smart. Every school class has a class clown ya' know.

Sounds like you're making empty accusations becasue the truth offends you. The Lord judges, and I am comfortable with it. :csm
 
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Oh, so now you’re more righteous than Elijah? He openly mocked the prophets of Baal, yet you call it ‘childish.’ Maybe your problem isn’t my words but your thin skin when Scripture cuts against falsehood. If holy sarcasm offends you, perhaps it’s because you’re siding with the wrong crowd, perhaps? hlo

I see your back with wanting more correction. Let me get my paddle, (though mom used a switch off a tree).

How many times have I already told you this the other day? Are you not listening, or do you simply choose to ignore the truth? The final week of Daniel 9:27 began with Christ’s death and resurrection, inaugurating the New Covenant.

Is this guy nuts, or what?

What he just said above is what I was pointing out to him about his false belief, i.e., that Jesus fulfilled the final 70th week WHEN HE DID NOT!
Jesus' Ministry ended with His crucifixion on the cross which ALSO ended the 69th week. It did NOT continue into the 70th week like the FALSE JEWS teach.
 

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I see your back with wanting more correction. Let me get my paddle, (though mom used a switch off a tree).

(chuckle).

Is this guy nuts, or what?

Do you mean that God is nuts because I merely testify His Word? hlo

What he just said above is what I was pointing out to him about his false belief, i.e., that Jesus fulfilled the final 70th week WHEN HE DID NOT! Jesus' Ministry ended with His crucifixion on the cross which ALSO ended the 69th week. It did NOT continue into the 70th week like the FALSE JEWS teach.

Christ confirmed his covenant with blood for His people; is a "false Jews teach"? Humm... okay... like I said, the Lord judges and I am comfortable with it.
 
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The stars don't literally fall upon the earth. When the second heaven parts like a scroll, the stars will appear to fall on the horizon.
actually it has nothing to do with the stars we see at night . the stars we see can give guidance . we have leaders in government ,in religion ,that try to give guidance .these leaders will be falling out of favor .
 

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Which particular verse says that ?
Rev 13 all of it but specifically 13:5-7 and the rest of 13
The miracles that the false prophet and the beast perform are lying wonders of Satan working in the background. Revelation 13:4 Revelation 13:7. Revelation 13:12. 2Thessalonians2:9

2Thessalonians2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
He has the power to kill and make miracles. and He will kill many Christians (elect) as Martyrs..
 
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