I agree with you to a high degree. It is the kingdom of this world. The last or fourth kingdom is Babylon, with Satan soon coming to rule it from Jerusalem. At least that's what I am surmising.
Revelation 13:12 says "everyone on earth, will be forced to worship the beast", does that mean everyone on earth needs to repent? (refuse to repent?)
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
"a falling away" = can become UNsaved, UNsealed ?
Really, how so ? :)
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 , ARE saved, ARE sealed
The last beast represents the last world empire.It will demand full submission through the control of economics. When Jesus said you cannot love two masters he pointed out that mammon was a form of master money will not exist except in digital form compliance will become mandatory and life will become very hard.
They are falling away from the faith, OSAS is a false doctrine. God does have standards.
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 , ARE saved, ARE sealed
List the verses >>>FROM PAUL<<< that teach a saved/sealed believer can become UNsaved/UNsealed
I already did, believe what you want. 1 Co. 15:2 doesn't back OSAS. Eph. 1:13, being sealed is like a contract, if do your part God promises to do his part. God will never break it but the believer can. If one isn't ready to die for their faith and accepts the mark of the beast, they have become the unsaved for eternity as there is no going back.
"Eph. 1:13, being sealed is like a contract, if do your part God promises to do his part.""
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
CONTRACT >>> heard the word of truth, after that ye believed, ye were sealed
Other Conditions:-
Eph 2:8-9
Titus 3:5-7
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
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Yes I agree. Now if you do a little digging you will find out which entity controls the world economy, not to mention the information channels including the media. Put that all together and you can see how vital it was / is for a cohesive group of people to help satan throughout history to get him to temple to be worshipped as God. In other words, nothing is organic or spontaneous.
When I say that the harlot if Babylon is "Israel" (talmudists), more and more people will agree because of the boldfaced inhumanity they see.
rebuilder 454
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There are two " types" of Christians:
1) " Christians" saved by the will of man
2) Christians saved by the will of God
If we are saved by God's will ( through His sovereign grace, His Spirit, His atonement), then "OSAS" is a TRUE doctrine. This means that if we sin, we feel terrible about it. So we don't go on sinning. In fact, if we are born again, we cannot sin in our soul existence. The flesh is the problem.
1 John 3:9 KJV - 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So if you are saved by " your own will", you will not show fruits of righteousness because you will sin willingly and use grace ( OSAS) as an excuse.
ScottA
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If one looks at the events to history it is easy to conclude that the events occurring in history are what is referred to in the scriptures--but they are only the revelation or revealing of what was even before the foundation of the world, now being made manifest as a witness before the Judgement. The events being made manifest in this world when the times are fulfilled are the fulfillment of: "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them” (Isaiah 42:9).
However, the things now made manifest in the world, in history, are but a small enactment of what is greater going on in heaven--even before the foundation of the world. Before--just as that Lamb was slain before, then came in the fullness of time, but merely came as a man in a small part of this world, while what has actually occurred was greater, even the greatest event of all heaven. This was the fulfillment of "Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6:10).
As for "Satan soon coming to rule it from Jerusalem", the greater passage speaks of Satan from the beginning of this world deceiving many (since Eve) until Messiah, after which he would be released, and has been released (starting at Jerusalem) until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled; then comes the end. Which does not speak of him coming at the end of the times of the gentiles, but at the beginning--after Christ said "It is finished" regarding the house of Israel. This is the fulfillment of: "to the Jew first and also to the Greek (gentile)" (Romans 1 and 2).
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I looked deeper than you think, look at number 8, Rimmon, Tells you all you need toknow in this subject area
The Ten Generals
{1} Lilith (Terror) - Main goddess of divination; Black Witch; New Age religions and Mysticism / Occult, mind bending, alternate realities. 1) Serves as a part
Paul also said " many have suffered shipwreck"
Meaning believers fell away. = Lost salvation, became UNsaved ?
List the Paul verses that confirm your theory
""Meaning believers fell away.""
= Lost Salvation, became UNsaved ?
List the verses FROM PAUL that teach that
1 John 1:8-9 - "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." No one is sinless because we are not perfected yet, however as we mature in Christ we will eventually sin less. The flesh will 'always" be a problem until we no longer have it.
Nicely said. I don't know where the scripture you quoted is found, however. Where does Jesus say :"It is finished regarding the house of Israel."
I know where Jesus said:
John 19:30 KJV - 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
And this was His greatest demonstration of love for His people ( from all nations) that He would die for us.
rebuilder 454
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The parable of the sower.
Some became believers.
Some were "plants" that died.
By Jesus declaration.
If you are hyperpauline, then Jesus words are basically tossed out.
rebuilder 454
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....also how does a ship wreck if there never was a ship?
The "ship" is overly obvious used metaphorically as a believer.
This one is hard to reject also:
Heb 6
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Davy
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Revelation 13:4-8 is another example of the whole world being deceived into false worship by the "dragon" at the end. But it says those whose names were written in the Book of LIfe from the foundation of the world will NOT... be deceived into that false worship of the "dragon".
rebuilder 454
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...and since all take the mark or die, all believers are killed.
No postrib rapture of the living possibility.
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