Revelation 20: 5&6

[Davy]

i believe after death is destroyed and satan is cast into the lake of fire, then the 'final judgement' takes place.

But that is backwards from what the Scripture states. It's God's Great White Throne Judgment first, then the perishing of the wicked, hell, and death into the "lake of fire."

The 'first resurrection' indeed is referring to the 'rapture' taken into Heaven, and not the spiritual rebirth in Christ.

I don't see how one can separate the two concepts. The 1st resurrection represents both the Old Testament saints, and the New Testament saints, even to the end. It's basically the whole 'faithful' Church that Jesus promised will reign with Him over the nations.

The idea of a 'rapture' is only about those still alive on earth when Jesus comes, per 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The asleep saints that have already died are not raptured. They are already with Jesus, and Paul said Jesus will bring them with Him when He descends to the earth from heaven. Then Zechariah 14 reveals Christ's feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives at Jerusalem on earth, bringing all His elect with Him there. So there is no such idea of a rapture to heaven written. But there is an idea of the heavenly dimension being REVEALED to those upon the earth, and that's how God's Word actually means the idea.

Spiritual resurrection from the dead in sin and alive saved by Christ, truthfully is the reenactment by 'water baptism'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

The concept of being "born again" per John 3 is about our 'spirit' inside our flesh that is born from above, by The Holy Spirit. The Greek meaning of "born again" actually means 'born from above'.

Water baptism is only a 'symbol' for our 'spirit' being literally "born again" by The Holy Spirit.

And... per Matthew 10:28, Jesus showed that our 'soul' part also is linked to our 'spirit' part. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed that it is our 'spirit' that goes back to God at flesh death.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

The concept of being "born again"

is more about starting over from a way that's not Acceptable.

 

[ScottA]

5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Dear readers,

The scripture reads, 'first resurrection', and not, 'the resurrection', could it be there's a 'second resurrection' after the 'thousand years'?

Also it reads, 'But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished'.

In other words, there's no resurrection of the dead until the thousand years were finished?

We know the second coming of Jesus will be until the clouds, where the dead in Christ shall rise and the living, both will be changed, and taken up to meet Him in the clouds.

Therefore this is the 'first resurrection' which takes place after the Great Tribulation, where the church saints came out of it persecuted dead or alive.

Then His third coming with His angels on earth to confront the beast and kings of the earth, and their armies, who'll wage war.

Furthermore it reads, 'Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such second death hath no power'.

Looks like not all who are in Christ hath part in the first resurrection, as also relating to the parable, 'one will be taken while the other left behind' and the 'ten virgins'.

So the church left behind will face a thousand years, hence the second death hath power over them?

Thank you and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

Fred, your comments are obviously speculation on your part. As such, you should make no statements or claims to anything as if they are fact. What you have said is jumbled and not accurate.

We of the church do not precede those who were first resurrected with Christ who was the Last of the house of Israel whom He first came for. Their resurrection was first--not because there are two actual resurrections--but because the call from God has come "first to the Jew, and also to Greek (gentile)" afterward according to the times of men and of this world. According to God however, there is but one resurrection, which is that one resurrection of Christ of which we all (first to the Jew and also to the Greek) are raised up in--in Him.

As for the "thousand year"--this is Spirit speak for "times"--meaning, the times of Israel and also those of the gentiles and the church. Spiritually translated as "times", the word from God is that the times of Israel occur first, followed by the "times" of the gentiles. Each of the details of the thousand years then, is true according to what is promised from God to Israel and also to the gentiles, respectively. As His visitation was first unto Israel, and then to the gentiles: To Israel in the flesh, and unto the gentiles in Spirit (beginning at Pentecost).

 

[rebuilder 454]

But that is backwards from what the Scripture states. It's God's Great White Throne Judgment first, then the perishing of the wicked, hell, and death into the "lake of fire."



I don't see how one can separate the two concepts. The 1st resurrection represents both the Old Testament saints, and the New Testament saints, even to the end. It's basically the whole 'faithful' Church that Jesus promised will reign with Him over the nations.

The idea of a 'rapture' is only about those still alive on earth when Jesus comes, per 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The asleep saints that have already died are not raptured. They are already with Jesus, and Paul said Jesus will bring them with Him when He descends to the earth from heaven. Then Zechariah 14 reveals Christ's feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives at Jerusalem on earth, bringing all His elect with Him there. So there is no such idea of a rapture to heaven written. But there is an idea of the heavenly dimension being REVEALED to those upon the earth, and that's how God's Word actually means the idea.


The concept of being "born again" per John 3 is about our 'spirit' inside our flesh that is born from above, by The Holy Spirit. The Greek meaning of "born again" actually means 'born from above'.

Water baptism is only a 'symbol' for our 'spirit' being literally "born again" by The Holy Spirit.

And... per Matthew 10:28, Jesus showed that our 'soul' part also is linked to our 'spirit' part. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed that it is our 'spirit' that goes back to God at flesh death.

No
It says the dead in christ rise first and then we meet them in the air at the pretrib rapture.
The dead in Christ are raised, and then raptured off the face of the earth.

 

[Fred J]

The idea that there will still be people in flesh bodies, having children, etc., during Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect is a Jewish myth. It's an idea of those who have difficulty understanding that the only... body type of the world to come will be the "spiritual body" Paul taught. That is the body type of the future resurrection Paul showed, and it is not just for those of the 1st resurrection. It will be the body type of the unsaved also. There won't be any marriage, nor having children after Jesus returns.

Thus the Rev.20:5 verse is NOT about the wicked dead being raised after the "thousand years", nor about unsaved dying during the thousand years being raised after the thousand years. When Lord Jesus returns on the last day of this world, the concept of FLESH DEATH will be over and no more.

The Rev.20:5 verse is about a 2nd resurrection of putting on Christ by those preached to all throughout the "thousand years", and they convert to Jesus Christ and thus become "born again", and joined with the 1st resurrection saints after the thousand years, after they are tested by the devil who is loosed one final time after the thousand years.

What kind of idea was Lord Jesus referring with the below?

Matt 23:27
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
KJV

Luke 11:44
44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
KJV

John 3:3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
KJV

John 3:5-6
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
KJV

Lord Jesus in the above revealed His Salvation is to our 'spirit' by The Holy Spirit, not with a new flesh body. He showed those scribes and Pharisees against Him were 'spiritually dead' inside their flesh, even while they were yet alive walking around. It relates to the "second death" of one's spirit with soul at the final Judgment. During the future "thousand years", that "second death" is the only type of death that will remain. Flesh death will no longer exist after Christ's return.

Apostle Paul revealed this in the Greek of 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 with 4 different Greek words with 4 different meanings. Just as how it is today with man in flesh bodies, some of us have been "born again" by Faith on Jesus Christ, while others are spiritually dead for not having been "born again", meaning their 'spirit' by The Holy Spirit. Paul showed the mortal souls of the resurrected wicked will still be in a 'liable to die' condition, subject to the "second death". We all will manifest with the "spiritual body", but not all souls will be made immortal. Only those of the 1st resurrection when Jesus comes will have their souls made immortal. However, we ALL, the unsaved too, will manifest with the "spiritual body". Many preachers make the mistake of thinking that only those of Christ's Church will be given the "spiritual body". They do not heed what Paul taught in those 53-54 verses that it will be the condition of one's soul that will determine whether they perish or not. The "spiritual body" is simply a body type for manifesting in the heavenly dimension. It does not mean automatic Salvation in Christ.

i disagree, it's got nothing to do with spiritual resurrection but rather resurrection of the dead during the 'second resurrection' for the 'final judgement'.

And on 'these' the 'second death' have power over them, and not on them who made it at the 'first resurrection'.

This is because on the 'second resurrection' for the 'final judgement', all the dead shall rise from their graves.

It's the 'final judgement' because there'll be those who'll resurrect unto life and there'll be those who'll resurrect unto damnation. (John 5:28&29)

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Fred, your comments are obviously speculation on your part. As such, you should make not statements or claims to anything as if they are fact. What you have said is jumbled and not accurate.

We of the church do not precede those who were first resurrected with Christ who was the Last of the house of Israel whom He first came for. Their resurrection was first--not because there are two actual resurrections--but because the call from God has come "first to the Jew, and also to Greek (gentile)" afterward according to the times of men and of this world. According to God however, there is but one resurrection, which is that one resurrection of Christ of which we all (first to the Jew and also to the Greek) are raised up in--in Him.

As for the "thousand year"--this is Spirit speak for "times"--meaning, the times of Israel and also those of the gentiles and the church. Spiritually translated as "times", the word from God is that the times of Israel occur first, followed by the "times" of the gentiles. Each of the details of the thousand years then, is true according to what is promised from God to Israel and also to the gentiles, respectively. As His visitation was first unto Israel, and then to the gentiles: To Israel in the flesh, and unto the gentiles in Spirit (beginning at Pentecost).

The book of Revelation speaks about the 'first resurrection' and 'thousand years', after anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

So i don't understand what are you 'babbling' about, that anti-Christ and false prophet, and Great Tribulation have come and gone already??

 

[Davy]

No
It says the dead in christ rise first and then we meet them in the air at the pretrib rapture.
The dead in Christ are raised, and then raptured off the face of the earth.

The subject is Revelation 20, NOT 1 Thessalonians 4.

And NO... FYI, there is NO 1 Thessalonians 4 verse that says the gathering there is a pre-trib rapture. You are ADDING men's doctrine to what Paul taught.

Per Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.4:13-16, he said Jesus will bring the asleep saints with Him when He comes, which means when He comes FROM HEAVEN to the earth. That is NOT about a RAPTURE FROM THE EARTH. Have you not read 2 Corinthians 5 where Apostle Paul showed that to be absent from the body means to be with The LORD?

ONLY with the 1 Thess.4:17 is about a gathering by Christ from ALIVE saints on the earth, what many call the rapture. The dead saints who rise first Jesus brings with Him FROM HEAVEN. They are already there with Him right now, not literally in graves in the ground, which is an old Jewish doctrine.

 

[Davy]

i disagree, it's got nothing to do with spiritual resurrection but rather resurrection of the dead during the 'second resurrection' for the 'final judgement'.

Then you disagree with the actual written Bible Scripture, because I'm not making this up. Lord Jesus was emphatic that unless one is "born again", they cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven (John 3). That is non-negotiable and non-debatable.

And on 'these' the 'second death' have power over them, and not on them who made it at the 'first resurrection'.

ALL... that are not of the "first resurrection" of Revelation 20 represent the 'unsaved' SPIRITUALLY DEAD which will still have mortal liable to die souls subject to the "second death". Rev.20 defines the "second death" as the casting into the "lake of fire".

The "rod of iron" Christ is given to rule over the nations is NOT for anyone of the "first resurrection" simply because Jesus promised those of the "first resurrection" would reign with Him over the nations with that "rod of iron" (Rev.2).

... and that means those nations Jesus reigns over for the "thousand years" represent the UNSAVED that are still subject to the "second death". Common sense does not allow any other interpretation of those Rev.20 Scriptures on that matter. Furthermore, that also means those unsaved nations ARE NOT DEAD LITERALLY, BUT SPIRITUALLY, BEING WITHOUT CHRIST.

It also means "the dead" of Rev.20:5 REPRESENT SPIRITUALLY DEAD, and NOT dead bodies still in literal graves.

And as a FINAL PROOF that after Jesus' future return there are NO DEAD IN THE GROUND, Jesus showed in John 5:28-29 that ALL... in the graves are raised on the day of His future coming, both the Just and the wicked.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The subject is Revelation 20, NOT 1 Thessalonians 4.

And NO... FYI, there is NO 1 Thessalonians 4 verse that says the gathering there is a pre-trib rapture. You are ADDING men's doctrine to what Paul taught.

Per Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.4:13-16, he said Jesus will bring the asleep saints with Him when He comes, which means when He comes FROM HEAVEN to the earth. That is NOT about a RAPTURE FROM THE EARTH. Have you not read 2 Corinthians 5 where Apostle Paul showed that to be absent from the body means to be with The LORD?

ONLY with the 1 Thess.4:17 is about a gathering by Christ from ALIVE saints on the earth, what many call the rapture. The dead saints who rise first Jesus brings with Him FROM HEAVEN. They are already there with Him right now, not literally in graves in the ground, which is an old Jewish doctrine.

Fits pretrib rapture.
I agree 100% he brings the dead saints with him in 1 these 4.

Who/what enters the bodies of clay when resurrected?
It is their spirits that went on to heaven at death.
Their BODIES are in the grave.
The SPIRIT of the dead saints in heaven, with Jesus, joins their resurrected bodies.

100% pretrib rapture doctrine
Solid, and authenticated by God word.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The subject is Revelation 20, NOT 1 Thessalonians 4.

And NO... FYI, there is NO 1 Thessalonians 4 verse that says the gathering there is a pre-trib rapture. You are ADDING men's doctrine to what Paul taught.

Per Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.4:13-16, he said Jesus will bring the asleep saints with Him when He comes, which means when He comes FROM HEAVEN to the earth. That is NOT about a RAPTURE FROM THE EARTH. Have you not read 2 Corinthians 5 where Apostle Paul showed that to be absent from the body means to be with The LORD?

ONLY with the 1 Thess.4:17 is about a gathering by Christ from ALIVE saints on the earth, what many call the rapture. The dead saints who rise first Jesus brings with Him FROM HEAVEN. They are already there with Him right now, not literally in graves in the ground, which is an old Jewish doctrine.

The subject is the first resurrection.
The resurrection in Rev 20 is referring to the resurrection at the rapture, and the subsequent resurrection of those left behind.
All of it pre trib and during the trib.
( Jesus and those resurrected with Jesus being the firstfruits of the 1st resurrection. )
NIV improperly places a resurrection where you are placing it.
Bad translations agree with you.

 

[ScottA]

The book of Revelation speaks about the 'first resurrection' and 'thousand years', after anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

So i don't understand what are you 'babbling' about, that anti-Christ and false prophet, and Great Tribulation have come and gone already??

"Babbling" is what you have been hearing--not from me, but from all who have believed the lies of false teachers and the common understanding of men limited by being yet in darkness--since the tower of Babel and before.

Speaking plainly--things not known to men since the world began, but promised as a part of being lead unto all truth by the Holy Spirit--all of what you are considering regarding the antichrist and false prophet was finished "before the foundation of the world"--finished before the world began. All that we are now experiencing and have been experiencing since the world began, is rather the revealing of it all, being made manifest and bringing to Light every hidden thing.

As for the great tribulation--the greatest tribulation of all time--is and was to be all tribulation placed upon Christ at the cross. In other words, there is, nor can there ever be any greater tribulation (than all tribulation). To deny this is to deny Christ. As for the timing of this event, it too was before the world began--as it is written--"the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world." That event was then to be, and was to come within these times of revealing, as foretold by Daniel, was "in the middle of the week"--that week first revealed by God in the creation story. Which is to say, the week Daniel referred to in his prophecy, was all of times--which he also reduced to the saying "a time, times, and half a time"--and came to fruition with the crucifixion of Christ in the middle of times between the times of Israel and the times of the gentiles to follow.

The "thousand years" prophecies are simply a reiteration of the prophecy for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see--to see and "hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Which is to say, the thousand years is not a thousand years at all, but rather the times of the house of Israel and also the times of the gentiles--and also the times of evidences against antichrist and the false prophet before the Judgement--which was also before the world began, and only now brought to Light.

 

[rebuilder 454]

"Babbling" is what you have been hearing--not from me, but from all who have believed the lies of false teachers and the common understanding of men limited by be yet in darkness. Since the tower of Babel and before.

Speaking plainly--things not known to men since the world began, but promised as a part of being lead unto all truth by the Holy Spirit--all of what you are considering regarding the antichrist and false prophet was finished "before the foundation of the world"--finished before the world began. All that we are now experiencing and have been experiencing since the world began, is rather the revealing of it all, being made manifest and bringing to Light every hidden thing.

As for the great tribulation--the greatest tribulation of all time--is and was to be all tribulation placed upon Christ at the cross. In other words, there is, nor can there ever be any greater tribulation (than all tribulation). To deny this is to deny Christ. As for the timing of this event, it too was before the world began--as it is written--"the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world." That event was then to be, and was to come within these times of revealing, as foretold by Daniel, was "in the middle of the week"--that week first revealed by God in the creation story. Which is to say, the week Daniel referred to in his prophecy, was all of times--which he also reduced to the saying "a time, times, and half a time"--and came to fruition with the crucifixion of Christ in the middle of times between the times of Israel and the times of the gentiles to follow.

The "thousand years" prophecies are simply a reiteration of the prophecy for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see--to see and "hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Which is to say, the thousand years is not a thousand years at all, but rather the times of the house of Israel and also the times of the gentiles--and also the times of evidences against antichrist and the false prophet before the Judgement--which was also before the world began, and only now brought to Light.

You seem to be a great guy and a man of God, but we 100% disagree on end times.

 

[Davy]

Fits pretrib rapture.
I agree 100% he brings the dead saints with him in 1 these 4.

Yet Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4 didn't tell us the 'when' Jesus comes to gather His Church, just the 'how'. Paul wasn't specific on where Jesus returns to in that Chapter either, but the Zechariah 14 Chapter does specifically tell us. The reason why there's so much debate on the 'where' Jesus returns among the various Christian denominations is because they don't heed that Zechariah 14 prophecy that reveals where.

So it cannot fit a pre-trib rapture theory. One cannot even use that 1 Thessalonians 4 Chapter to propose a post-trib coming either. Other Bible Scripture is what determines those topics.

Paul didn't have to give a timing there in 1 Thessalonians 4 for Christ's coming. It is simply because Jesus Himself already gave the the time of His coming per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 when Jesus showed He comes AFTER... the tribulation.

Who/what enters the bodies of clay when resurrected?
It is their spirits that went on to heaven at death.
Their BODIES are in the grave.
The SPIRIT of the dead saints in heaven, with Jesus, joins their resurrected bodies.

Sorry, but you show you have a primitive understanding about how God created us, and about His creation.


Hebrews 4:12 reveals God created each of us with...
1. a spirit
2. a soul
3. a flesh body

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals at flesh death...
1. our "silver cord" is loosed, or severed, and then...
2. our flesh goes back to the ground where it came from.
3. but our 'spirit' goes back to God Who gave it.

Matthew 10:28 Jesus revealed...
1. man can only kill our flesh body...
2. but not our soul.
3. only God can destroy both body (spirit) with soul in the "lake of fire."

2 Corinthians 5 Paul revealed that we already have...
1. another body (spirit) not made with hands (non-flesh), eternal of the heavenly.
2. that to be absent from the body (flesh) is to be with The Lord.

1 Peter 3:18-20 and Isaiah 42:7 revealed that Lord Jesus Christ at His resurrection went and preached...
1. The Gospel to the "spirits in prison" in the heavenly.
2. and led out those prisoners who believed out of the darkness of Satan's prison house.

1 Peter 4:5-6 revealed The Gospel was preached also to the 'dead'...
1. so that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

A mystery - your flesh body is NOT the real YOU. It is ONLY a shell or type of tabernacle for your spirit and soul to live in for this present world time. At flesh death, our flesh goes back to the material elements where it came from, but our spirit with soul continues on to God. Our flesh is of the earthly material dimension. But our spirit with soul is of the Heavenly dimension. The old Jewish tradition that our soul is made up of material flesh matter is an old myth, and is not what The New Testament Scriptures teach.

Thus prophecy like the "dead bones" idea in Ezekiel 37 is an expression for Christ's coming Salvation to put on the immortal glorious body, the "spiritual body" that Apostle Paul taught, NOT about a raising of flesh to a new flesh body.

 

[Davy]

The subject is the first resurrection.
The resurrection in Rev 20 is referring to the resurrection at the rapture, and the subsequent resurrection of those left behind.

Not exactly.

Rev 20:4
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
KJV

That Revelation 20:4 verse is actually pointing to 3 groups of saints in the above:

1. those "beheaded for the witness of Jesus" - the saints after Christ's death and resurrection.
2. "and for the word of God" - Old Testament saints, and all saints in general of all eras, from Old Testament times all the way down to the day of Christ's future return.
3. "and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,..." - New Testament saints that will be delivered up during the coming "great tribulation" who will reject worship of the coming false-Messiah and reject taking his mark at the end of this world.

It's basically about the whole faithful Church of God, from the Old Testament Patriarchs and prophets down to Christ's elect that will be persecuted during the coming "great tribulation".


That idea you have about those Left-behind including tribulation saints is a MADE UP DOCTRINE by the pre-trib rapture school. They apply that idea with the false label "tribulation saints" being about Jews that convert to Jesus DURING the tribulation, when that idea is NOWHERE WRITTEN in God's Word.

Pre-trib's Left-behind theory is from the Pre-trib Rapture doctors, not from God's Word.

Jesus showed at the end of Luke 17 that the 1st one 'taken' is to where the fowls that eat on a dead carcase will be. That parallel is given in Matthew 24:28. So that definitely ain't... about Christ's Church being those 1st ones taken.

Instead, Christ's faithful Church will be those left-behind to go through the great tribulation, and will make a spiritual 'stand' against the beast like Jesus told us to do with giving a Witness against the beast via The Holy Spirit speaking through us (Mark 13).

All of it pre trib and during the trib.
( Jesus and those resurrected with Jesus being the firstfruits of the 1st resurrection. )
NIV improperly places a resurrection where you are placing it.
Bad translations agree with you.

What you believe is from MEN, and not from GOD in His Word. You will either come to know what I tell you is the truth, or you will find out the hard way if you are still alive when the "great tribulation" event comes, and you find you have not... been raptured away like you've been lied to by those false Pre-trib Rapture doctors.

 

[ScottA]

You seem to be a great guy and a man of God, but we 100% disagree on end times.

I don't agree or disagree, but speak what is given to me. But thanks!

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yet Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4 didn't tell us the 'when' Jesus comes to gather His Church, just the 'how'. Paul wasn't specific on where Jesus returns to in that Chapter either, but the Zechariah 14 Chapter does specifically tell us. The reason why there's so much debate on the 'where' Jesus returns among the various Christian denominations is because they don't heed that Zechariah 14 prophecy that reveals where.

So it cannot fit a pre-trib rapture theory. One cannot even use that 1 Thessalonians 4 Chapter to propose a post-trib coming either. Other Bible Scripture is what determines those topics.

Paul didn't have to give a timing there in 1 Thessalonians 4 for Christ's coming. It is simply because Jesus Himself already gave the the time of His coming per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 when Jesus showed He comes AFTER... the tribulation.



Sorry, but you show you have a primitive understanding about how God created us, and about His creation.


Hebrews 4:12 reveals God created each of us with...
1. a spirit
2. a soul
3. a flesh body

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals at flesh death...
1. our "silver cord" is loosed, or severed, and then...
2. our flesh goes back to the ground where it came from.
3. but our 'spirit' goes back to God Who gave it.

Matthew 10:28 Jesus revealed...
1. man can only kill our flesh body...
2. but not our soul.
3. only God can destroy both body (spirit) with soul in the "lake of fire."

2 Corinthians 5 Paul revealed that we already have...
1. another body (spirit) not made with hands (non-flesh), eternal of the heavenly.
2. that to be absent from the body (flesh) is to be with The Lord.

1 Peter 3:18-20 and Isaiah 42:7 revealed that Lord Jesus Christ at His resurrection went and preached...
1. The Gospel to the "spirits in prison" in the heavenly.
2. and led out those prisoners who believed out of the darkness of Satan's prison house.

1 Peter 4:5-6 revealed The Gospel was preached also to the 'dead'...
1. so that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

A mystery - your flesh body is NOT the real YOU. It is ONLY a shell or type of tabernacle for your spirit and soul to live in for this present world time. At flesh death, our flesh goes back to the material elements where it came from, but our spirit with soul continues on to God. Our flesh is of the earthly material dimension. But our spirit with soul is of the Heavenly dimension. The old Jewish tradition that our soul is made up of material flesh matter is an old myth, and is not what The New Testament Scriptures teach.

Thus prophecy like the "dead bones" idea in Ezekiel 37 is an expression for Christ's coming Salvation to put on the immortal glorious body, the "spiritual body" that Apostle Paul taught, NOT about a raising of flesh to a new flesh body.

Most anyone with basic knowledge knows man is three part
Spirit
Soul
Body

Nothing new.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Most anyone with basic knowledge knows man is three part
Spirit
Soul
Body

Nothing new.

oh looky looky the unholy trynity ,much like me myself & I is to say who I am .. like it or not you are a soul . right now a living soul . dead a dead soul . its the simplest form of math out there.

 

[Davy]

Most anyone with basic knowledge knows man is three part
Spirit
Soul
Body

Nothing new.

But that latter part I explained, with Bible Scripture, the majority DO NOT KNOW or UNDERSTAND.

There are still major Christian denominations today that teach the old Jewish tradition that when we die we are literally asleep in the ground until the resurrection, an idea called Soul Sleep. That is not what God's Word reveals, not even in The Old Testament Scriptures.

 

[Fred J]

1 Thessalonians 4:
15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep (in their grave).
16. For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 20:
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the 'first resurrection': on such the 'second death' hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

The above is a future event to take place after the Great Tribulation, just after anti-Christ and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.

And likewise after satan will be bound in the bottomless pit for a thousand years.

 

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But that latter part I explained, with Bible Scripture, the majority DO NOT KNOW or UNDERSTAND.

There are still major Christian denominations today that teach the old Jewish tradition that when we die we are literally asleep in the ground until the resurrection, an idea called Soul Sleep. That is not what God's Word reveals, not even in The Old Testament Scriptures.

11  After he said these things, he added: “Lazʹa·rus our friend has fallen asleep, but I am traveling there to awaken him.”
Lazarus was in fact dead