Revelation, Isaac Newton, and the Churches

[miss]

I remember Newton said that.

Newton wasn't a prophet, so I wonder what motivated him to say that?

How would he know?

Clamor and opposition?

clam·or :

a loud and confused noise, especially that of people shouting vehemently.
"the questions rose to a clamor"

(of a group of people) shout loudly and insistently.
"the surging crowds clamored for attention"​

The composite beast rises from a troubled sea of many peoples and nations and tongues.

The people vote the thing into power, church and state, legalizing policies and laws that will "stand" in opposition to the Rule of God. Standing in a place where it ought not to be.

"Thou shall not kill.

"Thou shalt not commit adultery"

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

"Whosoever, then, looketh on a woman to lust after her, that is, so looks on her as to lust, and cast about to obtain, he is rightly said to commit adultery with her in his heart.​

But the composite beast legalizes abortion, same sex marriage and pornography.

And three times Revelation's end time narrative mentions the literal keeping of God's commands, those who keep the commandments of God, AND have the faith of Jesus.

Scripture #1

Revelation 12:17 – And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Scripture #2

Revelation 14:12 – Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Scripture #3

Revelation 22:14 – Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.​

Peaceful Sabbath.

i understood newton as an esau type
directed by an entity,
he being 100x of this world,
who was warning those like him
against God’s 144k who read prophets literally
and listen to Him.

 

[Cassandra]

More properly per Scripture...

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The command was to rebuild and restore Jerusalem 457BC
“from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25). 69*7=483 , so -457+483 +1= 27AD Jesus was baptized

there is one week left.
“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering”
Who brought an end to the sacrifice? Jesus, after being baptized, ministered for 3 1/2 years, and was crucified, bring an end to the need for sacrifice.
We still have 3 1/2 years to go. Well in 34 AD, Stephen was stoned, Paul converted, and the Gospel goes to the Gentiles.
This is the best fir for the 70 week timeline. the other numbers don't match up.

 

[nenagana]

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William Miller 457 B.C. + 2520 Years (1260 + 1260) = 2062 (no year zero) - "a day for 1000 years" = 2061 (1260) A.D. Halley's Comet
(2061 A.D. must contain the figures of "1260", for revelation's end date)

Issac Newton from 70 A.D. (following Cainaan Genealogy Age) Adds "1260" for Joseph (in revelation unified value), and then takes away 110 years, when Cainaan's account in Genesis is completed with Joseph = 2060 A.D.
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(God provided a GAP figure with Daniel of 1290 + 1335 (NULLIFIED VALUE), this is PRIMARY...........the GAP figure of Revelation "1260 + 1260", was arguable never presented as a GAP Figure)

In either case

William Miller's measurement began when Jewish People flooded into jerusalem for sin, or to take slaves.

Issac Newton's measurement appears to begin when the temple was destroyed in jerusalem.

(the work for the GAP figure, is "dead flesh accusation", which NULLIFIES anything field related by the gospel's tables.............so the correct answer would be "1260" by itself is prophetic value, but "1260 doubled for a seven year period is a controversy of god not performing the work of dead flesh")

The command was to rebuild and restore Jerusalem 457BC
“from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25). 69*7=483 , so -457+483 +1= 27AD Jesus was baptized

there is one week left.
“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering”
Who brought an end to the sacrifice? Jesus, after being baptized, ministered for 3 1/2 years, and was crucified, bring an end to the need for sacrifice.
We still have 3 1/2 years to go. Well in 34 AD, Stephen was stoned, Paul converted, and the Gospel goes to the Gentiles.
This is the best fir for the 70 week timeline. the other numbers don't match up.

(Reply) (NO YEAR ZERO count)
DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

457 B.C. - 490 years of daniel (7weeks) = 33 A.D. + 2030 Years (threescore and two)= 2063 - 1260 = 2060 Issac Newton (God Performs the work of 1260, it is therefore substracted or not counted) (God rebuilds the street and the wall, this implies the value of 1260 is NO VALUE, its mankind's accusation not god's accusation of dead flesh)

DANIEL 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

457 B.C. + 1260 + 1260 = 2063 - 1260 Days = 2060 Issac Newton (threescore and two, you calculate 1260 three times, but only value it for two times)

(the value of 1260 or the value of 1260+1260............does not have priority, and you can read daniel's statements as discrediting it...............in REALITY, Daniel's Week Prophecy should not apply to the new testament, only those nullifying statements of GAP figures..............in REALITY, if God does not act on the revelation (for sin) then Daniel's Prophecy of Weeks still has value (this is for a DUMB JEW)
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(Off Topic) (Issac Newton) (this is just an answer, for clarity)

Harold Camping Prophecy 2011 + 49 Year Jubilee = 2060 Issac Newton
*for "49 Years", take away 5 days of value each.............so that if you were to count 50 Years, you would have to take away 1 year, and you would end up with 49 years anyway

So if God said my Jubilee is 49/50 years...............
And if God said from 2011 to 2061 Halley's Comet..
Then according to multiple ancient civilizations........
God in his wrath would take away 5 days for each year in that 50 Year period........
Humanity would only have 49 years......................
2060 A.D. would be the more correct date in this perspective for the end of earth
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If God for Sin says, Revelation is Invalid, and he will take away 1 year then this is the answer (daniel's prophecy gains value again, otherwise the week prophecy does not apply to the new testament)
DANIEL 9:24 Seventy weeks
70 A.D. Temple Destruction
DANIEL 9:25 seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks
1963 + 49 Jubilee + 49 Jubilee = 2061 Halley's Comet
(two weeks of jubilees are counted)
DANIEL 9:26 threescore and two weeks
2060 A.D. is the Rebuke (god takes away 5 days in each year of jubilee for 49 years only not 50 years)
DANIEL 9:27 one week
2060 Issac Newton (one year taken away no Halley's Comet)
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(God claimed each of Daniel's Prophecy Entries were fulfilled).............490/430/Ezekiel 4:5-6/John 2:20 (one week or jubilee)

(you would have calculate the legal answer of "1290 + 1335 Days GAP NULLIFIED VALUE" to equal 2060 Issac Newton)

(you would have to calculate the legal answer of "1260 + 1260" to equal GAP to year 2061 Halley's Comet)

(most of the material is correct, but it is not accurate, its not false information, its just less correct information) (any number of answers can satisfy those arguments)

(I have information about the boy in the box case for the philadelphia homicide unit, or via, the requested contact sources............I will try to contact..............its not about me specifically, or the minorities or what the state does with me and my relatives for suicid* pleasure..............its your game, and they will suffering for being foolish, its about faith, not their foolishness)

 

[Davy]

The command was to rebuild and restore Jerusalem 457BC
“from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25). 69*7=483 , so -457+483 +1= 27AD Jesus was baptized

NO, that part in red is not about Jesus being baptized in 29 A.D., and I never said that He was baptized in 29 A.D.

29 A.D completed His Ministry with His crucifixion upon His cross.

The idea that Jesus' Ministry began in 29 A.D. is a doctrine of men, and does not align with the Daniel 9 events and sevens formula Archangel Gabriel gave Daniel.

there is one week left.
“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering”
Who brought an end to the sacrifice? Jesus, after being baptized, ministered for 3 1/2 years, and was crucified, bring an end to the need for sacrifice.
We still have 3 1/2 years to go. Well in 34 AD, Stephen was stoned, Paul converted, and the Gospel goes to the Gentiles.
This is the best fir for the 70 week timeline. the other numbers don't match up.

Nah, you're trying to teach men's doctrines with moving the start of Jesus' Ministry to go past the 69th week when He was "cut off".

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV

You MUST... count the previous 7 weeks of verse 25 above. That is to be added to the 62 weeks of verse 26 about Messiah being "cut off", which makes that the end of the 69th week when Jesus was "cut off" (crucified).

There is "one week" left, as the ending of sacrifices in Jerusalem in Daniel 9:27 is linked to the placing of the "abomination of desolation" that Jesus warned of for the end in Matthew 24.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

 

[Cassandra]

Where does 29 come from? I didn't say 29.
And for me, the timeline I posted fits the prophecy best.
Jesus was cut of in 31 AD, and then Stephen stoned in 34AD. Paul is converted and the Gospel goes to the Gentiles.

We'll never agree. Thats OK though. We both got to post the stuff we believe. That is what is important.
Hakuna matata.

 

[Davy]

When you said this, and I quote...

Cassandra said:
"The command was to rebuild and restore Jerusalem 457BC
“from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25). 69*7=483 , so -457+483 +1= 27AD Jesus was baptized"

Notice the last part in red.

That is wrongly assuming that 27 A.D. is when Jesus was baptized, YOUR words, not mine.

 

[nenagana]

The purpose of Revelation was to reveal what was going to come to pass....

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John.... - Revelation 1:1

Which all of this was to heavy for just ordinary churches in Asia that did not amount to much… I believe the first part of Revelation is to speak to the church as she would change with time…
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Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning around the time of DL Moody.

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

Back to Topic (the law is at least doubled, after some thought)

Moses is one of the parallels god uses in the book of revelation, so that is a statement that should be in view in relation to the "churches, argument" also presented in revelations:

JOSHUA 13:21 And all the cities of the plain, and all the kingdom of Sihon king of the Amorites, which reigned in Heshbon, whom Moses smote with the princes of Midian, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, [which were] dukes of Sihon, dwelling in the country.

You have Seven Cities/Churches, the whole point is, God used one of these locations, after they were originally dismissed.............a Generation later and wreslted with Gilead about the church issue in the book of judges...............

(the jewish people were not susposed to go beyond the jordan river, they were originally attacked in unclean ways, and god used moses as an example of the lord in response to that..............but the jewish people fell away for sin pleasures, and god called on another individual, to remove the jewish people from one of those church areas, in or near the jordan, and that is where apart of the book of judges cuts in, literally right around the jordan river controversy)

(the jews were occupying an area, and or one last disputed area in that original seven church area, but god rose up a prophet and they were removed out of that area)

(you asked about the book of revelation's seven church area, there are jewish people occupying all of those listed areas, so they are not driven out................at present they are still there, maybe in the future or there is more information and events yet to come to pass)
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(right its just not important to me to give a clear answer, but................."King David" not the Lord/Messiah/Jesus, is tied only to the "Philadelphia" Church in Revelation (NO OTHER CHURCHES/LOCATIONS)..............(you need to remember how God reference one location out of those seven churches with moses, and revisited a judgment a second time)
(King David is called the Lion of Judah, not Jesus, and I guess apart of the reason for that is that the jewish people are occupying territory they should not, because of uncleanness.............there is no glory or mercy, in crucifying jesus, as the basis of some territorial claim, prophetic claim or otherwise, not to mention the relationship between human dirth and science, earth field)

(Issac Newton Question)
(daniel's prophecy of weeks, is not more correct (it should remain in the old testament only to avoid heresies), but, because God has not acted toward revelation, you can apply a double meanings (daniel's nullified GAP value of seven years, leads to this conclusion set(s))

DANIEL 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
(when it comes to martyrdom, you want to at least try to be faithful with the material, remember satan prides itself in destroying the lord's testimony, which is super weak, when that issue arises, you want the maximum losses accordingly, that is the profitability for satan in the matter)

Jewish People Occupied Jerusalem to 69 A.D. (69 Years)
Jewish People Polluted the Messiah the Prince = Turin Shroud of Jesus 1997 to 2060 Issac Newton = 63 Years = 62 Years (that 70th Year that is not counted when the jews were removed from jerusalem, is removed from here also, so 1 year is removed)

This is a legal answer on the terms of observing prophetic value with Daniel's nullified seven year value of 1290 + 1335 which should equal Issac Newton's 2060 value for the end of humanity with no sign or no vision.

(I understand fully, but you need to understand, jerusalem is stated in the book of revelation, that will have to be resolved..............now i understand the church issue of those geographic territories, but that is besides the point, YOU ARE NOT VIEWING A ACTION FROM GOD, BUT SATAN ROUSING SIN, BECAUSE HUMANITY IS EXCEEDINGLY UNFAITHFUL, IN ITS PLEASURE, AT THE END OF TIME)

(when jerusalem/isreal falls, nobody cares about the jewish cesspool there, becomes a muslim and occupy palenstine, iraq and iran and take up slaves, and the die, do you understand that humanity to 2060 or 2061 is nothing, not a lot of years at all, certainly that length of time is nothing to me)

(you need to keep watch for someone that is shot more then 2 dozen times in the city of philadelphia, their identity will not be reported, now this is becoming more frequent, but covid19 may change how jews are concealed in the media, in the city of philadelphia, in the usa, and internationally)

 

[Dave Watchman]

i understood newton as an esau type
directed by an entity,
he being 100x of this world,
who was warning those like him
against God’s 144k who read prophets literally
and listen to Him.

Does this sound like the Esau type?

Isaac Newton On the Bible:
"I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily."

Isaac Newton On atheism:
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."

No, Newton is cool.

The dude abides.

He's not my go to guy for eschatology, it's just that I am fairly sure he touched on a big understanding. Even if he didn't get the complete picture, he got us pointed in the right direction in uncovering the timing of the second visitation.

"Know also and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to cause to return and to build Jerusalem, unto the Anointed the Prince, shall be seven weeks. The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming. If divers of the antients, as [g] Irenaeus, [h] Julius Africanus, Hippolytus the martyr, and Apollinaris Bishop of Laodicea, applied the half week to the times of Antichrist; why may not we, by the same liberty of interpretation, apply the seven weeks to the time when Antichrist shall be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming?

"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it; and lastly, that this rebuilding of Jerusalem and the waste places of Judah is predicted in Micah 7:11, Amos 9:11, 14, Ezek. 36:33, 35, 36, 38, Isa. 54:3, 11, 12; 55:12, 61:4; 65:18, 21, 22, and Tobit 14:5 and that the return from captivity and coming of the Messiah and his kingdom are described in Daniel 7, Rev. 19, Acts 1, Matt. 24, Joel 3, Ezek. 36, 37, Isa. 60, 62, 63, 65 and 66 and many other places of scripture. The manner I know not. Let time be the Interpreter. - Isaac Newton​

Newton's idea that the heptads of Daniel 9 could, not only have been pointing to the first visitation of Messiah, but also to his second coming, appears to me to be about to culminate now based on two additional modern day decrees to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.

I doubt that it could be random chance for them to have been timed by the Ottoman Empire, and the Knesset Jews at precisely 7 and 62 weeks.

This means that there are two last heptads, the first was 27AD to 34AD, the second one we are into already now. Using the first 70th week as a template, I would expect we won't finish the "seven" we are in. My bet would be it will all be fulfilled, the covenant will be physically completed, when the time has come to give the reward to His servants in the middle of the week we are in, + 40 days. This would be the equivalent timing as to when the men of Galilee stood looking into the sky.

Let time be the Interpreter.

 

[Davy]

Does this sound like the Esau type?

Isaac Newton On the Bible:
"I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily."

Isaac Newton On atheism:
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."

No, Newton is cool.

The dude abides.
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We don't need Newton to be our interpreter of the 70 weeks prophecy in the Book of Daniel. There's enough written in God's Word to know how it flows with allowing God's Word to interpret God's Word.

Most often I see Newton brought up by Jews who think to change what the Daniel 9 Scripture reveals. They want to move the final "one week" (70th) in Daniel 9:27 back to the time of Jesus' Ministry, which is adding to God's Word.

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV

If one tries to read verse 25 only, they will think Jesus' Ministry started at 29 A.D. But in reality, verse 26 gives more information about that "threescore and two weeks", specifically defining that Jesus would be "cut off" at the end of that period. It's kind of neat what God's Word did there between those two verses, because they are actually pointing to each other; verse 25 mention of "threescore and two weeks" points directly to verse 26, and verse 26 points back to verse 25 about that same period. Thus one MUST read those two verses TOGETHER to understand that at the END of the 69th week is when Jesus' Ministry ended by being 'cut off' on His cross.

 

[Dave Watchman]

We don't need Newton to be our interpreter of the 70 weeks prophecy in the Book of Daniel.

I don't need no Newton neither.

He said the same thing.

He said: "Let time be the Interpreter.

Most often I see Newton brought up by Jews who think to change what the Daniel 9 Scripture reveals. They want to move the final "one week" (70th) in Daniel 9:27 back to the time of Jesus' Ministry, which is adding to God's Word.

It's looks like I'm one of the Georgina Jews too then.

The final heptad, the 70th week, was back in the time of Jesus' Ministry.

And it appears to be happening again right now.

There's two timelines, two 70th weeks.

Buying into your interpretation of that enigmatic Daniel 9 vocabulary, would be risky right now if Newton proves to be correct. There appears to be excellent evidence, based on the timing of these two modem day decrees, that he is in fact correct.

I say risky because, like the Old Time Jews who were unable to measure the time carefully in their minds, we too may be at risk of missing the timing of our Visitation. We are not in darkness so as that day should surprise us as a thief.

Also, your timing on the Passion week appears to me to be a bit off old boy.

Jesus' ministry began in the spring of 27AD. That's when He went into the temple and read from the Isaiah 61 scroll declaring the favourable "year" of the Lord.

That's when He said, early in Mark, that the "time" is fulfilled and the Kingdom of God is at hand.

“The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”​

What "time" was He talking about? The Daniel 9 time, the 7 and 62 weeks from the going forth of the Artaxerxes decree in 457BC.

That was in 27 AD.

Jesus confirmed the covenant with many, and was cut off in the middle of that week on Friday April 7 30AD.

"And he said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.​

Count 14 days from the new moon to Passover.

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the LORD’s Passover.

You can google "spring phenomena" or just eyeball these time and date calendars that are also in agreement with the phase of the moon.

So the new moon is on the 22nd.

Start counting the 14 days on the 23rd, the night of the new moon, (night before light).

And it takes us right to the completion of the 14 day count where Jesus ate the Passover on sundown at the start of Nissan 15, (at sundown on Thursday)..

The Old Time Jews were using the Babylonian method, so were rushing to eat their erroneous Passover a day late after sundown on Friday.

30AD is the only year in the vicinity that has this set up.

Let time be the Interpreter.

 

[Davy]

It's looks like I'm one of the Georgina Jews too then.

The final heptad, the 70th week, was back in the time of Jesus' Ministry.

No it wasn't, and your heptad scientific study is useless against the written Daniel Scripture.


Like I showed from Daniel 9 before, it requires understanding BOTH Daniel 9:25 and Daniel 9:26 together, regarding the "threescore and two" weeks...

Dan 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
KJV

Trying to ISOLATE those two above verse is a grand mistake. They must be understood together.

v.25 -- from the time of the command to restore (454 B.C.) to the time of Messiah The Prince. That "threescore and two weeks" period is then... given, but unclear where it ends.

v.26 -- After the "threescore and two weeks" period mentioned in verse 25 Messiah will be cut off". That means at the END of that period. And that means the 2 Periods mentioned in verse 25, the "seven weeks" (7) and the "threescore and two weeks" (62). And 62 weeks plus 7 weeks equals 69 weeks.

It is thus clear that Jesus' crucifixion when He was "cut off" was at the END of the 69th prophetic week.

But there is still yet more proof in the next verse...

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims


Jesus giving Signs of the very End to happen just prior to His coming to gather His Church:

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
KJV

That means, the Daniel 9:27 subject is about the placing of an idol in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem for the very end of this world. That is what that final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is about.

Now those who say Jesus fulfilled that Daniel 9:27 verse during His Ministry are taking the side of antichrists, because it would be to say that Jesus placed an IDOL abomination of desolation inside the temple in Jerusalem!

 

[Curtis]

For even greater precision, Chuck Missler did a paper on this subject and it is absolutely fascinating (and short, too) to read the math and have it down to the day, citing prophecy, history, and includes a few of the statements Jesus made tying it all together. It also demonstrates clearly that the weeks were weeks of years, which is doubted by some. You'll be blown away by this writing. It's an easy read, and you'll almost giggle at the miracle of it all. And yes, the 70th week is still yet to occur.

The paper is called "The Precision of Prophecy - Daniel's 70 weeks".

The Precision of Prophecy Daniel’s 70 Weeks - Chuck Missler

Chuck has 24 videos covering Revelation that I am watching, he’s my favorite bible teacher:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTUQ-6Lg74XzfgJlSrwqlPRAXQPeCua4K

 

[Curtis]

I remember Newton said that.

Newton wasn't a prophet, so I wonder what motivated him to say that?

How would he know?

Clamor and opposition?

clam·or :

a loud and confused noise, especially that of people shouting vehemently.
"the questions rose to a clamor"

(of a group of people) shout loudly and insistently.
"the surging crowds clamored for attention"​

The composite beast rises from a troubled sea of many peoples and nations and tongues.

The people vote the thing into power, church and state, legalizing policies and laws that will "stand" in opposition to the Rule of God. Standing in a place where it ought not to be.

"Thou shall not kill.

"Thou shalt not commit adultery"

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

"Whosoever, then, looketh on a woman to lust after her, that is, so looks on her as to lust, and cast about to obtain, he is rightly said to commit adultery with her in his heart.​

But the composite beast legalizes abortion, same sex marriage and pornography.

And three times Revelation's end time narrative mentions the literal keeping of God's commands, those who keep the commandments of God, AND have the faith of Jesus.

Scripture #1

Revelation 12:17 – And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Scripture #2

Revelation 14:12 – Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Scripture #3

Revelation 22:14 – Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.​

Peaceful Sabbath.

His commands are not the Decalogue.

The two love commands supersede the ten commands, and no day is commanded to be kept in them,

 

[Curtis]

Issac Newton tied "1260" to Planet Jupiter's Conjunction in 2060 A.D.
(if we take "1290 from 1335" or 45 from Halley's Comet)

If the sabbath-millennium doctrine is correct, and our calendar is accurate, that would put His return around 2033 give or take a few years.

 

[amigo de christo]

His commands are not the Decalogue.

The two love commands supersede the ten commands, and no day is commanded to be kept in them,

The TWO LOVE commands FULLFILL the law . IF one has the LOVE of GOD upon their hearts
well love dont lie , it dont steal , it dont have man to lie with man or with beast and etc
It wont covet . SEE how love actually FULLFILLS the righteousness of the law .

 

[Curtis]

you need to understand, the Old Testament has priority with God, God cares more about prayer and faith, then a "sign or a vision

Revelation is the only book promising a blessing for reading it, and a curse for changing its words.

The Old Testament is types and shadows and prophecies, whereas the New Testament and the book of Revelation is the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

The Old Testament means nada without the New Testament.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims

I sure do wish I could help you out with this stuff old boy.

Douay-Rheims?

Don't worry about it man.

Much of these things are not what you think it is.

There's two 70th weeks, there's two Abominations and there's two holy places and two Visitations of Messiah.

It's a parallel program.

In Mathew 24, Jesus was not talking about the abomination from Daniel 9.

It was in Luke 21 that Jesus was talking about the abomination from Daniel 9 when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies.

In Daniel 9, the veil had been rent, the holy place was not inside the temple anymore.

The holy place where the abomination stood at that time, was the outer circumference 1500ft outside the walls of Old Jerusalem. This was the earth, the land, given by God to the Levites for their gardening and cattle grazing.

"The pasturelands of the cities, which you shall give to the Levites, shall reach from the wall of the city outward a thousand cubits all around. And you shall measure, outside the city, on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits, the city being in the middle. This shall belong to them as pastureland for their cities.​

The Levites didn't get a land inheritance like the other tribes did, so as soon as God gave them this space, this land, for their use, it by default, became a holy place.

And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. ...

When the Roman armies first came to set up their siege, they had no choice other than to be standing in the Levite land, the holy place, outside the walls of Old Time Jerusalem. This was the key instructions to Jesus' followers to be watching for.

Then something strange happened. Suddenly, for no reason apparent, the Romans packed up and ended the siege. It's though that Cestius received news that the emperor was dead and so rushed back to Rome to be the new Caesar.

Then the Old Time Jew armies thought God must have chased the Romans away. They took off in pursuit and inflicted heavy casualties. Jesus's followers were sitting there with the gates of the city wide open. The Romans were gone. The Israeli army was gone out after them. Jesus' people were able to walk right out the open gates unmolested by either group. No Christians were harmed in this event. But by the time Titus came back, the people in that city were doomed, they were stuck.

But the Abomination I'm worried about is the one happening right now.

The one Jesus is talking about in Mathew 24.

The one spoken of by the prophet Daniel in his chapter 12.

(Let the reader understand)

From the Abomination, to the "darkened" sun, the 1290 day lock fit.

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) Canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->EofW

Calculate Duration Between Two Dates – Results​

This means that the United States is the holy place, a place prepared by God.

A place where it ought not to be standing.

In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. There were four blood moons, La Palma was erupting, and God was opening up a new continent. The "earth" would help the "woman" after 1260 years of Papal persecution came to an end.

Only problem is, it's the same "earth" that the second beast is rising from.

He is our end time Antichrist.

I figure us to be more that 2/3's through Revelation, and that's including a literal 1000 years.

The end date for the abomination, is the same as the end date for the two modern day decrees to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.

January is the marker month.

 

[Dave Watchman]

His commands are not the Decalogue.

The two love commands supersede the ten commands, and no day is commanded to be kept in them,

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

 

[Curtis]

The TWO LOVE commands FULLFILL the law . IF one has the LOVE of GOD upon their hearts
well love dont lie , it dont steal , it dont have man to lie with man or with beast and etc
It wont covet . SEE how love actually FULLFILLS the righteousness of the law .

The two love commands go far beyond the Decalogue, which has not one drop of love in it for your neighbor.

The ten commands as pertaining to your neighbor/fellow man, has six negative commands that only limits the harm you’re allowed to do to your neighbor, and not one positive command to help your neighbor in any way at all - but if you love your neighbor as yourself, you not only won’t harm him, but will do everything possible to help him.

There is really no equating the two and the ten - if they were identical, then the two love commands are redundant and unneeded.

The other big difference is the two that replace the ten have no sabbath day commanded to keep, or any day to keep.

 

[Curtis]

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

And if you read the whole New Testament, you’d know the law of Moses was given to a carnal and unregenerate nation, who didn’t have the indwelling Holy Spirit, and it still applies to all ungodly, carnal and unregenerate people, so it has not ended - but CHRISTIANS are regenerated and godly and the Holy Spirit indwells us, so we have DIED TO THE LAW.

In the law of Moses righteousness came strictly from doing the works of the law, and their atonement was animal sacrifices - Christians are righteous by faith apart from the law.

And the ten commands you want to keep instead of the two love commands, are contrasted with the law of the spirit in the new covenant which gives life,, and compared with the ministry of death, and condemnation that is the letter which kills, in 2 Corinthians 3.

The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

And the old covenant given on Mount Sinai that you want to keep, is bondage, Galatians 4:21-31.