still refers the Christian sacrament of baptism instituted by Christ
Jn 3:5
Fire is the love of God
Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in ourhearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Revival is the Baptism By fire
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still refers the Christian sacrament of baptism instituted by Christ
Jn 3:5
Fire is the love of God
Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in ourhearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
My Response is above to this concern as raised by Enoch... Wheat and chaff is different from wheat and tares..
Chaff comes from the same plant as the wheat, tares are an imposter plant all together. We all have chaff and that must be separated from the plant this is what winnowing does and those waste products are then cast into the fire.
Baptism by fire is the removing of those waste part of our ourselves. Much like the removing of dross from gold to purify the Gold.
Not seeing the difference between wheat and chaff and wheat and tares is naive at best.
Baptism by fire is the removing of those waste part of our ourselves. Much like the removing of dross from gold to purify the Gold.
Not seeing the difference between wheat and chaff and wheat and tares is naive at best.
Psalms 1:4 KJV
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Isaiah 5:24 KJV
Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Daniel 2:35 KJV
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Hosea 13:3 KJV
Therefore they shall be as the morning cloud, and as the early dew that passeth away, as the chaff that is driven with the whirlwind out of the floor, and as the smoke out of the chimney.
Matthew 3:12 KJV
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
It's not naive to allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves.
Much love!
The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Isaiah 5:24 KJV
Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Daniel 2:35 KJV
Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Hosea 13:3 KJV
Therefore they shall be as the morning cloud, and as the early dew that passeth away, as the chaff that is driven with the whirlwind out of the floor, and as the smoke out of the chimney.
Matthew 3:12 KJV
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
It's not naive to allow the Scriptures to speak for themselves.
Much love!
Chaff is the undesirable part of the wheat plant, winnowing is used to remove it. According to scripture we are the wheat, Those who are Born again, We are on "His floor" and he will purge his floor of all the chaff, which part of this wheat.... that means it must be separated by winnowing and then burned away. Using the scriptures you provide to force your meaning on them is to not read the full context.... As @theefaith pointed out to you it is a Baptism of fire.... which is a religious term, Thus the purging refers to each individual Believer, not to tares among the wheat as you mistakenly presume.
Any Christian will atest to this "breaking of the grain" to separate the chaff of our sinful nature by the Holy Ghost. The winnowing is the removal of that chaff.....victory over our sinful nature.
I posted some verses that speak towards your topic. They say what they say.
Feel free to post more context if you feel that will change what they express.
Much love!
Jeremiah 23:28-30 KJV
28) The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
29) Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
30) Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
28) The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
29) Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
30) Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
1 Corinthians 2:10
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Job 21:7-20 KJV
7) Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?
8) Their seed is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes.
9) Their houses are safe from fear, neither is the rod of God upon them.
10) Their bull gendereth, and faileth not; their cow calveth, and casteth not her calf.
11) They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance.
12) They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ.
13) They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave.
14) Therefore they say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways.
15) What is the Almighty, that we should serve him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him?
16) Lo, their good is not in their hand: the counsel of the wicked is far from me.
17) How oft is the candle of the wicked put out! and how oft cometh their destruction upon them! God distributeth sorrows in his anger.
18) They are as stubble before the wind, and as chaff that the storm carrieth away.
19) God layeth up his iniquity for his children: he rewardeth him, and he shall know it.
20) His eyes shall see his destruction, and he shall drink of the wrath of the Almighty.
7) Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, are mighty in power?
8) Their seed is established in their sight with them, and their offspring before their eyes.
9) Their houses are safe from fear, neither is the rod of God upon them.
10) Their bull gendereth, and faileth not; their cow calveth, and casteth not her calf.
11) They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance.
12) They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ.
13) They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave.
14) Therefore they say unto God, Depart from us; for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways.
15) What is the Almighty, that we should serve him? and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him?
16) Lo, their good is not in their hand: the counsel of the wicked is far from me.
17) How oft is the candle of the wicked put out! and how oft cometh their destruction upon them! God distributeth sorrows in his anger.
18) They are as stubble before the wind, and as chaff that the storm carrieth away.
19) God layeth up his iniquity for his children: he rewardeth him, and he shall know it.
20) His eyes shall see his destruction, and he shall drink of the wrath of the Almighty.
I Am quoting the context.... Matthew 3:12 speaks of Purging HIS floor. do you see it yet?
The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. Yes. It is His floor, and He will judge humanity.
Much love!
But Judgment begins at the house of God. (1 Peter 4:17)
That is the problem with theology in general, you can get a passage to mean exactly the opposite of the intent of the author. The Question is what is the Truth of the passage. The truth must be revealed by the author of the Passage, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. All other interpretations are of private interpretation. (2 Peter 1:20-21)
Matthew 3:7-12 KJV
7) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8) Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9) And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10) And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12) Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
This would be with the context.
John was speaking to the Pharisees and Sadducees. Don't think you can say, "We're sons of Abraham!" God will chop down ever tree that doesn't bring good fruit, and burn it. The one coming . . . Yes, I'm baptizing with water, he's going to baptize with the Holy Spirt, and with fire . . . He's going to gather the wheat into His barn, and burn all the chaff.
Much love!
7) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8) Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9) And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10) And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12) Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
This would be with the context.
John was speaking to the Pharisees and Sadducees. Don't think you can say, "We're sons of Abraham!" God will chop down ever tree that doesn't bring good fruit, and burn it. The one coming . . . Yes, I'm baptizing with water, he's going to baptize with the Holy Spirt, and with fire . . . He's going to gather the wheat into His barn, and burn all the chaff.
Much love!
You realize that this passage is about the origin of prophecy? Not personal interpretations of the written word. I know it may sound like that, but when you look at what it is really saying, that's what it's saying.
Much love!
Um. Yes. But it's not a "theology" problem, its an obedience problem, I think.
Much love!
