When Jesus purged HIS temple did he purge the temples of other religions as well.... This is what your trying to say when when you say the Earth is the LORD's and applying it "His floor" in Matthew 3:12.
Revival is the Baptism By fire
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Let's see if this passage speaks towards "baptism by fire" . . . Does it?
1 John 2:3-6 KJV
3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5) But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
No it does not.
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The Lord wanted to purify my heart, so He gave me the baptism of fire. This is how I understand it.
"And He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver. Then they will present offerings to the LORD in righteousness." - Malachi 3:3
"And He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver. Then they will present offerings to the LORD in righteousness." - Malachi 3:3
Um . . . there are many many people who have no idea about exegesis - bringing out what is there - and come up with all sorts of bad doctrine.
Exegesis is just a fancy word for describing the effort to find and show what God actually said.
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God's love is being perfected in us, You deny this process even exists in the believer?
We are the wheat, wheat has to be broken and winnowed before it can be ground down to make bread.
Note the question mark...
In this post modern era exegesis leads to "ever learning but never arriving at the truth".
A Prime example of how poor exegesis leads to private interpretation here.... By Not seeing the question mark in my comment you assume the comment was an accusation thus negating the intent of the author of this comment and the truth of what is meant by the comment. You do this over and over again and then want me or anyone to trust in your exegesis?
Are you assuming I didn't see it?
You've triggered, so no point to continue.
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Actually it is you who was triggered by my comment.... I am just responding to your points. You still can't keep from responding to my posts, can you?
Then You knew that i purposely worded the comment as i did in order to trigger you, by leaving out the "Do" in the question?
Hidden In Him
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Interesting thread.
Going to have to disagree with you on this interpretation, EG. The reference in v.11 is to baptism (i.e. "immersion"), and the unsaved don't get baptized in anything from God. The fuller passage is as follows:
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
The promise of the Holy Spirit and fire was only to those whom the Lord would baptize. Most of the Pharisees and Sadducees got no more baptized in fire by Jesus than they did in water by John, because they were not willing to come to repentance. 1st Thessalonians 5:19 says, "Do not quench the Spirit," and it could just as easily be translated "do not extinguish the Spirit" because it is referring to the fire of the Holy Spirit the New Testament saints were being baptized in, such as at Pentecost.
The fire that will burn the spiritual chaff will be Hellfire. The fire that the saints of God are baptized in is a particularly intense baptism in the Holy Spirit, as Acts 2 indicates.
Eternally Grateful
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I disagree
They will be immersed in the eternal fire that shall never be quenched. Its called hellfire,
No one has been baptized in fire yet. that happens in the end.
Hidden In Him
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Keep in mind that you are reading this in. The text doesn't say "He will baptize the saints with the Holy Spirit and the sinners with fire." This would be changing the object of the action in mid sentence, and with no qualifiers, which creates a very unnatural reading.
I know you're attempting to use the surrounding context as your proof, but the internal context of the verse itself argues strongly against it.
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