Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[Episkopos]

Brother, we are constantly accused of condemning and persecuting the unbelieving "righteous" simply because of agreeing with the scriptures on that subject. Crazy accusation because it applies to all of us.........we ourselves are not saved by the filthy rags of our own righteousness, nobody is, and that is WHY we all need Christ.....

Poor you. This faux outrage belies the fact that actual righteous people don't claim to be righteous. You are the one (or ones) trying to be saved by imputing a righteousness onto yourselves that is equal to God's...IN YOUR SINS.

.if we are persecuting the unbelieving righteous then we are doing it to ourselves as well.

Thank you for making my point.

There is just so much ridiculousness around here with these things and I wish more could see it.

Exactly

The meek and humble are those who come to acknowledge that their own righteousness cannot save them and accept Jesus, and submit to the righteousness of God. "In me (that is in my flesh) is NO GOOD THING."

Jesus saves those HE accepts...not the other way around. We are NOT in charge of free gifts...God is. You imagine grace as a candy bowl in an office with a sign that says "take one". But that is fully wrong and subverts the truth of why Jesus came down to us. And the bible is not a menu whereby you select your own preference.

I wonder if Epi will come back and respond to those scriptures that speak to Abraham being the father only of those who have faith and who have Christ. So far, just more crickets as usual, as you say.

Abraham is father to the nations...ALL the righteous... whether by faith OR works. The reason why God justified Abraham before his works is because God sees the future. However, the angel of the Lord ONLY saw the righteousness of Abraham AFTER he was willing to sacrifice his son. Then the angel said...NOW I see that you fear God.

Gal 3:29
And IF YE BE CHRIST'S, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Read more carefully. Christ is Abraham's seed...so if we are Christ's then we belong to Abraham's seed who is Christ.

Paul attests to the fact that Christ is Abraham's seed.

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother, we are constantly accused of condemning and persecuting the unbelieving "righteous" simply because of agreeing with the scriptures on that subject. Crazy accusation because it applies to all of us.........we ourselves are not saved by the filthy rags of our own righteousness, nobody is, and that is WHY we all need Christ......if we are persecuting the unbelieving righteous then we are doing it to ourselves as well. There is just so much ridiculousness around here with these things and I wish more could see it. The meek and humble are those who come to acknowledge that their own righteousness cannot save them and accept Jesus, and submit to the righteousness of God. "In me (that is in my flesh) is NO GOOD THING."

I wonder if Epi will come back and respond to those scriptures that speak to Abraham being the father only of those who have faith and who have Christ. So far, just more crickets as usual, as you say.

Gal 3:29
And IF YE BE CHRIST'S, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Sister , men gonna do as men gonna do , sheep gonna do as JESUS bid them do .
Sheep point to Christ .
Sister , how long have you known prince HIC . HAS HE EVER once changed his mind
OR rather ONLY DOUBLES DOWN on his mindset . Deliverance is needed sister .
Just like it was done for hymenaus and alexander .

 

[Laurina]

Remember the context

Rev 22:11 Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.”

2 lost
2 saved

In the Great White Throne judgment the outcome is life or death. Life for the righteous and death for the evildoer. (Whoever is not written to life in the nations in the Book of Life.)

In the Bema Seat judgment for God’s House where judgment begins, all are saved because ALL who call on the name of the Lord will be saved... some to the kingdom, saints, and some to outer darkness, filthy, (honour and dishonour).

Matt. 8:12
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Luke 13:28
"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out."

I count 3 saved and 1 lost.

So when one talks about being "saved" one could ask, "saved to what??" ...because I fear being saved for outer darkness...that's NOT where I want to end up!!.

 

[ProDeo]

In the Great White Throne judgment the outcome is life or death. Life for the righteous and death for the evildoer. (Whoever is not written to life in the nations in the Book of Life.)

In the Bema Seat judgment for God’s House where judgment begins, all are saved because ALL who call on the name of the Lord will be saved... some to the kingdom, saints, and some to outer darkness, filthy, (honour and dishonour).

Matt. 8:12
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Reading the context of that verse I believe the children of the kingdom are the unbelieving Jews.

John 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.

You might disagree.

Luke 13:28
"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out."

I count 3 saved and 1 lost.
So when one talks about being "saved" I ask, "saved to what??" ...because I fear being saved for outer darkness...that's NOT where I want to end up!!.

 

[Laurina]

Reading the context of that verse I believe the children of the kingdom are the unbelieving Jews.

John 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.

You might disagree.

So do you believe that the words of Jesus are only for the Jews?? I ask because the similar verse in Luke 13:28 says "in the kingdom of God", not "children of the kingdom". How do you reconcile that??

 

[ProDeo]

So do you believe that the words of Jesus are only for the Jews?? I ask because the similar verse in Luke 13:28 says "in the kingdom of God", not "children of the kingdom". How do you reconcile that??

CONTEXT

Matt 8:5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him,
Matt 8:6 “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.”
Matt 8:7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.”
Matt 8:8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed.
Matt 8:9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
Matt 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.
Matt 8:11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,
Matt 8:12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matt 8:13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

Story is about a gentile (not God's chosen people), then view for further context in v11, gentiles coming from all over the world entering the kingdom of heaven, saved. Contradictory in v12 (keyword while) many chosen people (Jews) thrown into outer darkness because they rejected Jesus. I don't see how people thrown into outer darkness are saved people.

So, 2 lost, 2 saved

 

[Grailhunter]

Over the years I am not sure if Episkopos wants to start his own cult or denomination. Either way he tries to superimpose his beliefs on the scriptures. It is obvious because what he says is not in the scriptures.

 

[shepherdsword]

Exactly.

Where does Scripture state the damned can talk to Abraham ?

In the parable Jesus taught

 

[amigo de christo]

CONTEXT

Matt 8:5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him,
Matt 8:6 “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.”
Matt 8:7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.”
Matt 8:8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed.
Matt 8:9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
Matt 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.
Matt 8:11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,
Matt 8:12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matt 8:13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

Story is about a gentile (not God's chosen people), then view for further context in v11, gentiles coming from all over the world entering the kingdom of heaven, saved. Contradictory in v12 (keyword while) many chosen people (Jews) thrown into outer darkness because they rejected Jesus. I don't see how people thrown into outer darkness are saved people.

So, 2 lost, 2 saved

Two lost two saved .
SO lets e xamine the ONLY WAY the two are saved and what damns the two lost .
A HINT . ITS THE SAME NAME , THE SON OF GOD , The seed by WHICH all NATIONS can be b lessed .
ITS JESUS . EIther one beleives and is saved or one does not and is surely damned .
That is a fact my friend . A fact an inclusvists does not want to face . But I KNOW who saves
and I KNOW HOW to be saved .
JESUS saves . And sirs what must i do to be saved , OH YEAH BELIEVE YE ON JESUS CHRIST .
That SIMPLE . any who preaches cont rary TO THAT , YOU DONT recieve such , do not even bid them god speed
AND JOHN wrote that . The same JOHN that spoke more about love in his letter than any other apostel .
IT BE JESUS TIME . Ecumeincalsim incl uisivsim will be the second death of all who join its lie .

 

[Lizbeth]

Poor you. This faux outrage belies the fact that actual righteous people don't claim to be righteous. You are the one (or ones) trying to be saved by imputing a righteousness onto yourselves that is equal to God's...IN YOUR SINS.

I'm not outraged at all. And neither am I in my sins, thanks be to Jesus Christ who saved me. My sins were remitted, forgiven, and the debt paid in full through faith in Him.

Jesus saves those HE accepts...not the other way around. We are NOT in charge of free gifts...God is. You imagine grace as a candy bowl in an office with a sign that says "take one". But that is fully wrong and subverts the truth of why Jesus came down to us. And the bible is not a menu whereby you select your own preference.

He accepts those who are in the Beloved (Christ) not those who aren't.

Abraham is father to the nations...ALL the righteous... whether by faith OR works. The reason why God justified Abraham before his works is because God sees the future. However, the angel of the Lord ONLY saw the righteousness of Abraham AFTER he was willing to sacrifice his son. Then the angel said...NOW I see that you fear God.

Nonsense. Abraham is only father to those of any nation who have faith like he had and received Christ (like Abraham did in a figure). Abraham being willing to sacrifice Isaac was a figure for the Father sacrificing His Son.......and we sacrifice Him through faith in Him as it were, eating His flesh, drinking His blood. The sacrifice of Christ is applied to us, like the Israelites sacrificed their sacrifices and had to eat them in order for their sacrifice to be applied to them. Eg, Passover Lamb.

Read more carefully. Christ is Abraham's seed...so if we are Christ's then we belong to Abraham's seed who is Christ.

Paul attests to the fact that Christ is Abraham's seed.

You need to read more carefully. It clearly says in that verse that WE are Abrahams's seed (through Christ the seed, by being in Him through faith in Him).

 

[Lizbeth]

CONTEXT

Matt 8:5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him,
Matt 8:6 “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.”
Matt 8:7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.”
Matt 8:8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed.
Matt 8:9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
Matt 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.
Matt 8:11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,
Matt 8:12 while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matt 8:13 And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.

Story is about a gentile (not God's chosen people), then view for further context in v11, gentiles coming from all over the world entering the kingdom of heaven, saved. Contradictory in v12 (keyword while) many chosen people (Jews) thrown into outer darkness because they rejected Jesus. I don't see how people thrown into outer darkness are saved people.

So, 2 lost, 2 saved

Amen....it is the same as where Jesus said in Matt 21 that the kingdom would be taken from Israel and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. They are butchering God's word, like picking it to pieces with instruments of torture, it is hard to take.

 

[amigo de christo]

In the parable Jesus taught

in the parable that JESUS taught concering the rich man and lazarous .
VERY true indeed .
Yet it seem to notice SOME here PICK and choose what parables To twist .
SEEING THE KEY POINT being made in that other parable was
NO FAITH I N JESUS , PREPARE YE TO BE CAST away .
We cannot PICK and choose what to believe and what to not beleive .
AS FOR ME ITS EVERY WORD OF JESUS i beleive . MIGHT wanna get on that TRAIN
and get off anything ecumeinal inclusive . cause that other train gonna end in a fierce and excruciating lake of fire .
WE can not preach BOTH beleif and unbeleif or we held only to UNBELIEF .
WE cannot call GOD A LIAR
WE simpley cannot CALL GOD A LIAR .
AND HE who believes NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , WEL LTHEY DO call GOD a liar .
AND HE , who like satans queen oprah whimphrey and that new age incluisive junk
who tries to act like there be many diverse ways to God and that to the muslim he has his way
and etc , OH they gonna burn perhaps worse than the false religoins . CAUSE THEY LIED and DID SO USING the
NAME OF JESUS . Get the picture yet , did you get the POINT yet .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not outraged at all. And neither am I in my sins, thanks be to Jesus Christ who saved me. My sins were remitted, forgiven, and the debt paid in full through faith in Him.


He accepts those who are in the Beloved (Christ) not those who aren't.


Nonsense. Abraham is only father to those of any nation who have faith like he had and received Christ (like Abraham did in a figure). Abraham being willing to sacrifice Isaac was a figure for the Father sacrificing His Son.......and we sacrifice Him through faith in Him as it were, eating His flesh, drinking His blood. The sacrifice of Christ is applied to us, like the Israelites sacrificed their sacrifices and had to eat them in order for their sacrifice to be applied to them. Eg, Passover Lamb.


You need to read more carefully. It clearly says in that verse that WE are Abrahams's seed (through Christ the seed, by being in Him through faith in Him).

That is right sister , point to the only true hope there is , to JESUS CHRIST .
What i type next might sound very very grave but very very true it is sister .
TO any and to all who even claimed to Believe ON JESUS and YET USED HIS NAME
to DENY HIS GOSPEL of YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM , they gonna howl on JESUS day in total terror .
EITHER we BELEIVE or we dont . But it cannot nor ever will be BOTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....it is the same as where Jesus said in Matt 21 that the kingdom would be taken from Israel and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. They are butchering God's word, like picking it to pieces with instruments of torture, it is hard to take.

Sister i been fighting against it and that false doctrine for years .
You know i have . And you know what has occured over these last years
ITS GROWN massive now . The lie has been embraced b y many now .
OH how i did so long ago try and warn . But it has fallen in large on deaf ears .
But the sheep hear and the sheep shall continue to contend for the one t rue gospel .
You do realize what is about to take place .
BY means and through this POWERFUL AI led digitgal system
SOON the few like us will be persecuted for even TRYING to say YE MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS .
IT will be tagged as NON INCLUSIVE hate speech . DO MARK THOSE WORDS . I SEEN it .
Oh well . THIS life was always but a vapor . And i had sooner DIE for the truth
than Live for a lie . THE COST is THE COST . JESUS IS MY HOPE and to NO OTHER will i point .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....it is the same as where Jesus said in Matt 21 that the kingdom would be taken from Israel and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. They are butchering God's word, like picking it to pieces with instruments of torture, it is hard to take.

Keep the prayers coming sister . They will not silence my mouth .
We either speak TRUTH or a lie but it cannot be both .
Now to the trenches for the hour of our betrayal in even the western nations draws nigh indeed .
Better to live on the run , in prison , cast out and even killed for the faith
than to sit as a king in a lie . To the trenches sister . TO JESUS We shall POINT .

 

[Episkopos]

Reading the context of that verse I believe the children of the kingdom are the unbelieving Jews.

You believe? What do you mean by unbelieving? Why does Jesus say that He will no longer find faith on the earth? Do you mean the kind that moves mountains? Or just religious propositions invented by men?

The household of God gets judged first. If you don't think you are called into God's kingdom...then admit it.

John 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.

You might disagree.

They didn't. But the same incredulity exists in the ones grafted in in their place. We should not be smug or highminded, but fear as Paul says.

 

[amigo de christo]

You believe? What do you mean by unbelieving? Why does Jesus say that He will no longer find faith on the earth? Do you mean the kind that moves mountains? Or just religious propositions invented by men?

The household of God gets judged first. If you don't think you are called into God's kingdom...then admit it.

They didn't. But the same incredulity exists in the ones grafted in in their place. We should not be smug or highminded, but fear as Paul says.

we should not be smug or highminded , but fear as paul says .
ONLY YE HAVE NO FEAR of GOD . NO fear to call GOD a liar by preaching unbelief .
Once again epi you are guilty of what you continually accuse us of doing .
THERE is no fear of GOD in you . You will pay epi . IF you repent not of your inclusive gospel you are gonna pay dearly for it
ON JESUS day .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....it is the same as where Jesus said in Matt 21 that the kingdom would be taken from Israel and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. They are butchering God's word, like picking it to pieces with instruments of torture, it is hard to take.

Everything that man accuses us of doing , HE is guilty of doing .

 

[Episkopos]

I'm not outraged at all. And neither am I in my sins, thanks be to Jesus Christ who saved me. My sins were remitted, forgiven, and the debt paid in full through faith in Him.

The sins that are past..as it is written. But new sins, worse sins, arise due to sins against holiness, pride, iniquity, blasphemy..etc So until judgment day we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling....not in smugness and self-assurance.

He accepts those who are in the Beloved (Christ) not those who aren't.

You mean believed ABOUT Jesus. It is the easiest thing in the world to believe things ABOUT Jesus. But it is not so easy to believe INTO Jesus. That takes His approval. How many here seek God's approval BEFORE making claims about themselves? And the wise make no claims at all. Again, the righteous NEVER see themselves as righteous. God does.

Nonsense. Abraham is only father to those of any nation who have faith like he had and received Christ (like Abraham did in a figure). Abraham being willing to sacrifice Isaac was a figure for the Father sacrificing His Son.......and we sacrifice Him through faith in Him as it were, eating His flesh, drinking His blood. The sacrifice of Christ is applied to us, like the Israelites sacrificed their sacrifices and had to eat them in order for their sacrifice to be applied to them. Eg, Passover Lamb.

You have it backwards. We can't apply the sacrifice of Christ to ourselves. We are the ones who make sacrifices to God...and He decides to accept them or not. Ever since Abel was justified before God. Jesus died in obedience to the Father. He was NOT our sacrificial Lamb...but God's. The Lamb of God. NOT the Lamb of Lizbeth. The only humans that sacrificed Jesus were evil men. He is not our sacrifice for sins. Jesus made a way to the Father...that most people don't believe in...including yourself. He did that because God loves His people. But His people don't love Him, for the most part...they only love what He provides for them. And they HATE the truth as seen here.

You need to read more carefully. It clearly says in that verse that WE are Abrahams's seed (through Christ the seed, by being in Him through faith in Him).

I hate having to always show what is actually written in the bible...just like for novices.


Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal. 3:16

Exercise some reading skills.....does Paul say to SEEDS (plural) or to SEED (singular, as in Christ)?

 

[Episkopos]

Amen....it is the same as where Jesus said in Matt 21 that the kingdom would be taken from Israel and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. They are butchering God's word, like picking it to pieces with instruments of torture, it is hard to take.

Why do you think you are fulfilling God's conditions for entering His kingdom? What fruits are you bearing? Holy and eternal fruit?

You can't believe 2 opposite things at once...are you a child of the kingdom that can be sent into outer darkness? You will say NO. Because you want one aspect of a truth but not another. You pretend the condition isn't there..as pretenders do.

Any real child of the kingdom trembles in fear that they could be rejected into outer darkness. Pretenders smirk at the very idea....because they either are not called as children of the kingdom or else have chosen to be, by preference, while ignoring the conditions.

So how do you know you are bearing the fruits of the kingdom of God? Do you even seek the kingdom of God?

If you are not producing eternal fruit, what about the fruits of righteousness...like humility and the fear of the Lord? Your assuming and claiming display the very opposite.

Can anyone here see the difference between "Seek first the kingdom" and "Claim first the kingdom"?????