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[Marilyn C]

My question concerns the spiritual rebellion against Christ and His rule within the congregation (hint, hint: kingdom). Quoting Psalm 2 shows opposition to God’s Anointed, but how does that establish your identification of ten modern nations or an Islamic leader?

You still haven’t answered: What kingdom does the beast seek to dominate through the authority exercised by the ten kings? Go does not talking about physical kingdom in the Middle East or Europe at all! It is a spiritual kingdom so what kingdom will the Beast like to rule over before Christ's return? Selah!

Of course, you’re assuming that ten kings must mean ten individual men, political leaders, or modern nations. That is the false interpretation. You need to understand the symbolism here, the horns represent power or strength, ten represents fullness of whatever is in view. Together, they portray the fullness of that full power exercising dominion over kingdom for a short season, eg. one hour.

So return to the question: Over what kingdom does the beast seek to exercise authority through these ten kings, who have “received no kingdom as yet”?

Think about it: the Two Witnesses represent God’s elect, whom He empowers to proclaim His Word and exercise His spiritual rule in THIS kingdom. When they finish their testimony, the beast rises against them, overcomes them, and kills them (Revelation 11:7).

So, what kingdom, then, does the beast seek to seize from the Two Witnesses, humm? Over what kingdom do the ten kings finally exercise authority with the beast? Consider the spiritual rule within the congregation!! And what happens when faithful testimony is silenced. That is where you should focus on. Not making speculation with some physical nations in Europe or the Middle East according to the world evening news, your newspaper Eschatology, or according to your favorite 70's teachers.

Selah!

You first have to gives scriptures to show that it is a spiritual kingdom.

 

[TribulationSigns]

God`s word says `far north` `tsaphon,` meaning - used only of the north as a quarter. (Thus my obviously Russia

More Newspaper Eschatology speculation. Did the Lord tell you that the North is, per your 1970's teacher, the Soviet Union? Or today's Russian Federation? Of course not!

Beside, what does the "far north" (please provide the Scripture) has to do with the kingdom of Revelation 17?!

The Prophet Daniel gives more detail.

`Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of ptter`s clay and partly of irom, the kingdom shall be divided, yet the strength of iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.
And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; ...` (Dan. 2: 41 - 44)

Time out. Do you know what the clay spiritually refers to in Scripture? And the Iron? How is this kingdom divided with both? Did the Lord really talking about the Shia and the Sunni? Come on! Show me the verse where the Lord says the Shia is clay or Sunni is iron or whatever?

The Shia/Sunni conflict is marked by strength and weakness and has been going on for decades if not centuries.

Sigh...

Being taught in the `70`s also shows that my teachers were NOT looking at their newspapers for answers.

Really? I am sure that they are heavily influenced by the doctrine of Hal Lindsey. :-)

 

[TribulationSigns]

You first have to gives scriptures to show that it is a spiritual kingdom.

LOL! And it is in the chapter of Revelation 17, right? Do you actually read the chapter as literal narrative consistently? Humm? Is the beast a literal animal with seven physical heads and ten actual horns? Is the woman literally riding it, dressed in purple and scarlet, holding a golden cup? Where do you see her, physical?

The chapter itself interprets its imagery: the heads represent authority. The horns represent power. The waters represent peoples and nations, and tongues. And the woman? Why, she represents a city (Revelation 17:9–12, 15, 18). Not physical city, but spiritual city! This is symbolism requiring interpretation—not a photograph of future events as you think!

Have you already forgot that Scripture also uses a mountain to represent a kingdom: Daniel 2:35, 44–45 connects the mountain filling the earth with God’s kingdom. Oh mine! Therefore, where does Revelation 17 identify these kings as "ten modern nations or their leader as Islamic?" That connection still needs biblical support which you have not done yet!

Again, what kingdom is it that the Beast want to rule through the ten kings which represents his full of power for an hour (ie. short season).

 

[ewq1938]

The 7 heads represent 7 mountains (where the woman sits) Revelation 17:9 and also 7 kings Revelation 17:10.

Nope. The horns are kings and the heads are mountains, Rev 17. They cannot be conflated or serious errors will arise.

The 7 heads exist at the sme exact time and none fall, while the 7 kings (really 8) DO NOT EXIST AT THE SAME time (except the last two). Kings 1-6 do not exist when 7 and 8 do.

 

[Ziggy]

Something is up.
Have you been watching Brazil today?
Voting for Presidential Election run-off between Bolsonaro and Lula , the crowds are amazing.
Nick Shirley 4 hours ago dropping footage of what's happening there.
East meets West.

The Eastern Hemisphere going up in flames from Ukraine to Congo.
The Western Hemisphere is healing.
Removing cartels and drug dealers, human traffickers, dictators.

I mean,
I feel bad by what I am seeing over in France and Italy and Greece and Belgium, all of that, Gaza, Libya, Hungary. I mean the whole Eastern Hemisphere is in turmoil. Earthquakes in diverse places even, political earthquakes.
In the Western Hemisphere the only 2 resistors to change from the Globalist stronghold is Canada and Mexico.
All of South America is turning Conservative Red and it was all blue and controlled by entities such as USAID.
Lot's of money flowing there to keep the crime alive.

Cutting off the funding is like cutting off the head of the snake.

So Here's Nick Shirley

I'm still waiting to hear the results.

Hugs

 

[Marilyn C]

More Newspaper Eschatology speculation. Did the Lord tell you that the North is, per your 1970's teacher, the Soviet Union? Or today's Russian Federation? Of course not!

Beside, what does the "far north" (please provide the Scripture) has to do with the kingdom of Revelation 17?!




Time out. Do you know what the clay spiritually refers to in Scripture? And the Iron? How is this kingdom divided with both? Did the Lord really talking about the Shia and the Sunni? Come on! Show me the verse where the Lord says the Shia is clay or Sunni is iron or whatever?



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Really? I am sure that they are heavily influenced by the doctrine of Hal Lindsey. :-)

If you continue to be rude then our discussion is finished.

God`s word tells us that the `far north` is used only of the north as a quarter. And yes myteachers told me it was the Soviet Union, that great bear of the north as it was called devouring country after country. But then we know later on it seemed on the face of it to divide up with Russia and other countries but all seem to have the same philosophy.

The prophet Ezekiel was told of this for God uses the word `Rosh` which the Russian people call Russia. Thus when the far north federation is brought down by God to Israel. (Ez. 38: 8)

The kingdom of 10 kings in Rev. 17: 12 & 17 is the same as the one in Dan. 7: 7 & 23. And in Dan. 7 we see arising 4 great beastly kingdoms - British Empire, Soviet Union (later Russia), EU and Islam.

Hal Linsey didn`t speak of Islam as far as I know.

 

[Marilyn C]

LOL! And it is in the chapter of Revelation 17, right? Do you actually read the chapter as literal narrative consistently? Humm? Is the beast a literal animal with seven physical heads and ten actual horns? Is the woman literally riding it, dressed in purple and scarlet, holding a golden cup? Where do you see her, physical?

The chapter itself interprets its imagery: the heads represent authority. The horns represent power. The waters represent peoples and nations, and tongues. And the woman? Why, she represents a city (Revelation 17:9–12, 15, 18). Not physical city, but spiritual city! This is symbolism requiring interpretation—not a photograph of future events as you think!

Have you already forgot that Scripture also uses a mountain to represent a kingdom: Daniel 2:35, 44–45 connects the mountain filling the earth with God’s kingdom. Oh mine! Therefore, where does Revelation 17 identify these kings as "ten modern nations or their leader as Islamic?" That connection still needs biblical support which you have not done yet!

Again, what kingdom is it that the Beast want to rule through the ten kings which represents his full of power for an hour (ie. short season).

Yes, Rev. 17 has many symbols but certainly not a spiritual city. The `woman` is the false religion of the world. It is NOT the RCC which is only one of the prostitutes. False religion was always shown as a harlot in the Old Testament.

Mountain - high places, (idolatry) `they are also 7 kings.` (Rev. 17: 10)
The 10 kings are seen in Dan. 7: 24 `The 10 horns are 10 kings who shall arise from this kingdom.`
One scripture does not give all the details as you seem to desire. That is why we look at more scriptures from the prophets. In Dan. 7 we read of these 10 kings just before the Lord sets up His kingdom through Israel over the nations. (Dan. 7: 27)

Looking at the other prophets Isa. 31: 4,5 & 8, (the Assyrian) and Dan. 2: 41 - 44 (the iron and clay) Dan. 7: 7 & 23 (last great beastly kingdom) we get quite a good picture of the last Gentile world power to arise.

You would know that Islam has nearly 2 billion people. And it is quite obvious what their focus is - annihilation of Israel and subduing the rest of the world. How many countries do you see where they are beheading people, torturing them, killing, abducting etc. The only thing stopping them from rising as a formidable great power across the world is their inherent philosophical difference - Shia & Sunni. And that involves who is their rightful leader.

 

[Ziggy]

The New World Order

just kidding
Hugs

 

[Douggg]

Nope. The horns are kings and the heads are mountains, Rev 17. They cannot be conflated or serious errors will arise

The ten horns represent ten kings.

The seven heads represent...
(1) seven mountains on which the woman sits.
(2) seven kings associated with that location
five have fallen (at the time of John)
one is (king 6) (at the time of John)
one is yet to come

The 7 heads exist at the sme exact time and none fall, while the 7 kings (really 8) DO NOT EXIST AT THE SAME time (except the last two). Kings 1-6 do not exist when 7 and 8 do.

The seven heads as representing seven mountains on which the woman sits - none of the seven mountains fall.

The seven heads as representing seven kings associated with the location of the woman...

five have fallen (at the time of John)
one is (king 6) (at the time of John)
one is yet to come (end times king 7, the little horn)

The little horn (king 7) will become the beast (king 8)