Romans 5:12-21

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The so-called "original sin" is commonly believed to be inherited from one's
natural father. Oh? From whence did Eve get it?

She was fully formed and constructed with material taken from Adam's body
prior to his tasting the forbidden fruit so it was too late for him to pass his
mistake on to her by means of heredity.

Note the grammatical tense of the verse below-- it's past tense rather than
either present or future; indicating that Adam's entire posterity was
slammed in real time, i.e. we were all tainted with his sin the very moment
Adam took the first bite-- no delay and no waiting period.

● Rom 5:12 . .Through one man sin entered into the world, and death
through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.

FAQ: Did Jesus' virgin conception insulate him from the original sin?

REPLY: No.

FAQ: Why not?

REPLY: Jesus was conceived in his mother's womb rather than implanted;
meaning of course that Mary was baby Jesus' natural mother rather than his
surrogate mother.

Plus: it's easily proven that Jesus was one of David's natural descendants,
and just as easily proven that David was one of Adam's natural descendants.

* Quite a few Christians don't want Jesus to be biologically related to Adam,
but there is just no getting out of it.

FAQ: Wasn't Adam's mistake a sin unto Hell?

REPLY: No; the appropriate retribution for Adam tasting the forbidden fruit
was just simply his loss of immortality. In other words: had Jesus not been
crucified he would've eventually died of some other cause.
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[Bob]

Thank you for your thoughts on a sometimes contentious topic.

Although the concept of original sin is a mainline Christian belief, there are other points of view.

For example, it is not embraced, nor was it ever embraced, by Judaism.

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It has also been observed, even by Christians (!), that because humans are social mammals, our basic nature is the same as other social mammals: we are born self-centered and covetous, easily rationalizing that which we covet, even using force.

The result, of course, was the same: Adam and Eve yielded to their temptation and disobeyed God. Did they yield to an evil spirit, or was their faith in God too weak? To the Apostle Paul, the distinction was crucial, and Augustine of Hippo established to concept firmly.

But: no matter what the source of our fallen nature, we can and should rely on God to help us align with His will.

Blessings.

 

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● Gen 2:25 . .The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no
shame.

● Gen 3:6 . .When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for
food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she
took some and ate it.

● Gen 3:6-7 . . She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and
he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they
were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for
themselves.

In the past, I was confident that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I
seriously doubt it because the woman was first to eat the fruit, and when
she did, nothing happened. She remained just as shameless in the buff as
before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that she began to feel exposed; so
I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than something
they ate.

FAQ: If the woman's transformation wasn't due to the fruit, nor due to
heredity, then what?

REPLY: Well; obviously the Serpent did it to her, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)
the ruler of the kingdom of the air, viz: the spirit world. He has the power of
death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected. (e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and
Eph 2:2)

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to get busy the moment that
Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly things
began to happen. Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
immediately set to work cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to
cover up their pelvic areas.

FAQ: Why wasn't the woman's moral perception altered when she tasted the
forbidden fruit?

REPLY: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come
into the world, they would come via a lone male's actions just as life and
righteousness would later be offered to the world via a lone male's actions.
(Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of
the womb?

REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but
I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb; and if not in the womb,
then certainly no later than when we're born. (Ps 51:5 & Ps 58:3)

So then: even if Joseph had fathered baby Jesus, the child wouldn't have
necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it isn't
inherited: neither from one's father nor one's mother. It's obtained from
humanity's covert parent the Devil-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the
so-called fallen nature was just a simple matter of keeping the Devil's paws
off him. (Luke 1:35 & 1John 3:9)

FAQ: No fair! Why are the rest of us allowed to be impaired by the Devil
and not him?

REPLY: Jesus is God's lamb of choice to atone for the sins of the world. (Matt
1:21) He had to be a better man than his ancestors in order to succeed.

● 1Pet 1:18-20 . .You know that it was not with perishable things such as
silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed
down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a
lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the
world.
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FAQ: How can Rom 5:12-21 be valid when the Bible says a man's children
are not held accountable for his mistakes? For example:

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of
the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son." (Ezek 18:20)

REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom
4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17; the laws of God-- especially His codified
rules and regulations --are not enforced ex post facto, viz: they aren't
retroactive.
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[Stash]

I think we need to remember it was Satan that tricked Eve and Adam, and brought sin into this world. Did Adam and Eve go to hell because of their sin nobody knows if they repented or not

I think we need to also keep our eye on Jesus on the cross by allowing us to repent and be forgiven of sin

I don’t concentrate on sin so much anymore. I mostly concentrate on trying to please Jesus

To carry around sin with you would be an abomination if you’ve already repented
You would say, Jesus is a liar
And died for nothing

 

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Romans 5:12-21 explains why everyone unified with Adam has to die; but
that's only half its purpose. That passage also serves to explain why
everyone unified with Christ will live forever.

In a nutshell: were Jesus subpoenaed to appear before the great white
throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15, he would walk away acquitted
because God's son never once committed a personal sin of his own to
answer for. (John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22)

In point of fact, it was impossible for God's son to commit a personal sin
of his own.

● 1John 3:9 . . No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed
abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now; I haven't a clue how God pulls this off without cooking the books, but
in a similar manner to how He burdened Adam's posterity with a share in his
guilt, He has a way to credit folks with a share in Jesus' sinless perfection so
that they can walk away from the great white throne acquitted.

* Acquittal can be defined as an adjudication of innocence due to a lack of
sufficient evidence to convict.

There's a number of men here and there going about identifying themselves
as women so they can compete with women in women's sports. Of course they
are not really women, i.e. they're women in accord with culture rather than
in accord with nature. Well; in a manner of speaking, folks unified with
Christ have a God-given mandate to identify with His son as 100% perfectly
sinless creatures though on a personal level they are definitely not so.

● 1John 1:8-10 . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive
us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we
have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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FAQ: How can sinners unified with Christ be credited with his righteousness
when the Bible says otherwise? For example:

"The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him." (Ezek 18:20)

REPLY: The secret to this is simply timing. According to Deut 5:2-4, Rom
4:15, Rom 5:13, and Gal 3:17; the laws of God-- especially His codified
rules and regulations --are not enforced ex post facto, viz: they aren't
retroactive.

This is especially applicable to Christ because he was designated, and
scheduled, to atone for the sins of the world before the world existed. (1Pet
1:18-21 & Rev 13:8)

Also: everyone who would eventually unify with Christ was foreseen and
tagged very early-on. (Rom 8:29-30 & Eph 1:4-5)
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FAQ: I am interested in unifying with Christ so I can become accredited
with his righteousness. How do I go about this?

REPLY: I suggest folks begin by opening a line of forthright communication
with God because according to 2Cor 5:19-21 He's been waiting to hear from
you.

Find some privacy, anywhere will do. Cover your face with your hands-- it
will give you a sense of connection --and in your own words; tell God you
haven't measured up to His expectations and are pretty sure you never will.
Then tell God you would like to take advantage of His son's death as an
atonement to protect yourself from retribution.
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