Yes, spirit is translated breath and wind in Hebrew because God breathed the breath of life into us Gen 2:7. The rich man story has nothing to do with the afterlife. It is a story about the demise of the priesthood. He is using picture language that is familiar to the Pharisees. Also, Gehenna and the Lake of Fire is considered hellfire, not Hades.williemac said:Spirit means breath and wind? The more accurate way to understand what something is, is to see how the word is used by the authors who use it rather than by trying to limit it to a definition. Lazerus had a finger and a tongue because Jesus said he did. He obviously had a body that was not the same as an earthly, physical one, because it did not feel the pain of being burned by fire, not unlike the four men who were cast into the furnace in Daniel. However, Lazerus was thirsty. That was the nature of his agony. This is common of unclean spirits who are cast out of a person, who Jesus said goes through dry places (Math.12:43). Dryness is a symptom of spiritual unfulfillment. A spiritual body does exist. And it is not like our present body.
Actually, it does. Both passages also mention immortality, being clothed and being swallowed up. Follow the bold..williemac said:As for 2Cor.5, there is no way you can prove from the text that it is speaking of the first resurrection. Paul does not mention resurrection in that passage. In fact, in your own version, it mentions being away from the body (absent). The resurrection is about receiving a new body.
1 Cor 15:50-54 NIV I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
2 Cor 5:1-10 NIV For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. 6Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7For we live by faith, not by sight. 8We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
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Eccl 9:6 is referring to all dead people including the second death. The title of Eccl 9 is "A Common Destiny for All".williemac said:As far as pagan ideas of consciousness after death, I advise you to refrain from calling the bible pagan. There are more than a few examples of conscoiusness after death, as I have shared. As for Eccl. 9:6, this is easily fulfilled in the second death where both body and soul are destroyed.
Eccl 9:6 NIV Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.
But one is not in heaven or hell and the other dead in the grave. It doesn't work that way. The only reason we have a spirit and soul is because of the breath of life, and that is taken away at death Eccl 12:7. Spirit and soul cannot function without each other. The only difference between the two is their functions in this life.williemac said:But 1Thess:5:23 gives additional information about our makeup, that we consist of body, soul, and spirit. When we can find three words in a sentence, it is only proper grammar in understanding that the three are not the same as one another. So what is not just as plain about that passage?
The body and soul are different entities, but again the only reason we have a soul is because of the breath of life. And that is taken out at death Eccl 12:7.williemac said:As for Math.10:28, I advise you to read it more carefully and tell me how it is that one can kill the body but not the soul. FYI, it was a J.W. friend of mine that informed me that the word for hell in that passage is Gehenna, a reference to the lake of fire. This is where God will destroy both body and soul. As well, why did Jesus use the term "both" if they are one and the same?