Russia, Iran, Sudan, & Libya ...

[Naomi25]

It's called a blueprint. so when we look to the OT this is the blueprint and when one understands who Jesus Christ truly is, then you just abide in him only, as their is noting more to such than that really and if one does not understand who Jesus Christ is, then that's a only being religious and lost, so they look to another because they are lost.

This is the Plan or the blueprint of the OT that Jesus Christ is to come and when he comes the plan is finished, or the House is completed lets say and you only need abide in him only. because you are at home in the Lords Salvation and you have everything that one needs as Jesus is the wellspring. so outside of that there is nothing worthy. but many deceptions that try to lead you astray, but you only need Christ Jesus as your guide as the rest is just garbage. the thing is that all have to come to Christ Jesus and be born again end of story. the rest is just window shopping and humanistic dribble.

Gods plan has never changed, it's still the same plan, only Christ Jesus has come and brought Grace into the world and this is what all people ever needed. abide in Grace is the key for without Grace you are a Slave to Sin. there is nothing more to the fact.

Many people have a perception of Jesus plus all the add on too that they make up. but there is no add on to such at all. you abide or you don't, it's as simple as that in reality.

After the Hellfire to come, because most people have turned from God, people will find out that all that they ever needed was Christ Jesus foremost in there lives as the Key. not to mention that if we all had the key, then there would not come Hellfire to such a people as the Hellfire only becomes due to fools who are led by Satan. so all people who look forward to the rapture are of Satan, for they are truly lost. they should abide in Jesus Christ only and not get caught in abiding with worldly works.
When I talk to such people they claim not to have a works religion but fact is they sure do, only they can't see that they in fact do have a mans works based religion, yet reject that they do because they are blinded to the reality.

Well, make up your mind! First you claimed that God has no plans at all. Now you say that it was only 'blueprints', but then you go on to inter-change 'blueprint' with 'plan'. And indeed, describe things that could only be called 'plans'.
And while, yes, the OT did point to Christ, and yes, salvation is complete in Christ and him alone, 'plans' does not discount this one bit. Let me explain:
It was God's "plan" in the OT that he use foreshadowing events to point to the need and coming of Christ to save his people. Indeed, all people. It was his "plan" that in the fullness of time Jesus Christ would come forward in human flesh and die for our sins. It was also his "plan" that after Christ ascended to the Father's right hand, that his children continue to go forth preaching and loving in Christ's name, so that in time, his "plan" of redemption for the whole world, under Christ, could be fulfilled. Indeed, in time, his "plan" will be for Christ to return to bring in the ultimate consumation of what he won on the cross; redemption for his people and for creation itself. It still revolves 100% around Christ and him alone, but the "plan" is ongoing, yet to be completely fulfilled. In fact, if we were to say "Jesus came, the plan is done, all we need is him...full stop, plans done now"....we cut off most of the promise God made to us...the reason Jesus died in the first place. To free us completely from our sins and reconcile us completely to God so that, like the garden, we may dwell once more in his presence in an unspoiled world.
By saying "none of it matters after Jesus arrived...we just look to him" forgets and discounts that Jesus himelf has promised more. Paul reminds us about the importance of the resurrection and what it means for our future. It is an essential component of the Christian faith and we must not dismiss it. It is a vitial part of God's plan of redemption.
And that is why we say that God's plan continues in the NT. Yes, Jesus is the absolute focus point, the one who wins it for us, whom we love and worship. But he is not done with us!

 

[Bobby Jo]

Please limit the discussion to the OP, -- Russia/Iran/Sudan -- .
Thanks

 

[Bobby Jo]

RePost:

To All,

Some "experts" anticipate that the U.S. will have to militarily punish Iran (they use the term "kinetic") for taking out half of the Saudi refineries in the September 14 drone strike. Of course there first has to come the politically correct "olive branch", and within a couple of weeks after the strike we should anticipate the "kinetic" response.

But with the U.N. Session planned this week, the U.S. will present evidence for Iran's involvement, so a "kinetic" response will probably be closer to 3-4 weeks for an early to mid October timeline.

And then mobilizations and offensive operations will apparently take until early March to reach the borders of Israel:

Matt. 24:20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath.​

Or so it might appear,
Bobby Jo

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Well, make up your mind! First you claimed that God has no plans at all. Now you say that it was only 'blueprints', but then you go on to inter-change 'blueprint' with 'plan'. And indeed, describe things that could only be called 'plans'.
And while, yes, the OT did point to Christ, and yes, salvation is complete in Christ and him alone, 'plans' does not discount this one bit. Let me explain:
It was God's "plan" in the OT that he use foreshadowing events to point to the need and coming of Christ to save his people. Indeed, all people. It was his "plan" that in the fullness of time Jesus Christ would come forward in human flesh and die for our sins. It was also his "plan" that after Christ ascended to the Father's right hand, that his children continue to go forth preaching and loving in Christ's name, so that in time, his "plan" of redemption for the whole world, under Christ, could be fulfilled. Indeed, in time, his "plan" will be for Christ to return to bring in the ultimate consumation of what he won on the cross; redemption for his people and for creation itself. It still revolves 100% around Christ and him alone, but the "plan" is ongoing, yet to be completely fulfilled. In fact, if we were to say "Jesus came, the plan is done, all we need is him...full stop, plans done now"....we cut off most of the promise God made to us...the reason Jesus died in the first place. To free us completely from our sins and reconcile us completely to God so that, like the garden, we may dwell once more in his presence in an unspoiled world.
By saying "none of it matters after Jesus arrived...we just look to him" forgets and discounts that Jesus himelf has promised more. Paul reminds us about the importance of the resurrection and what it means for our future. It is an essential component of the Christian faith and we must not dismiss it. It is a vitial part of God's plan of redemption.
And that is why we say that God's plan continues in the NT. Yes, Jesus is the absolute focus point, the one who wins it for us, whom we love and worship. But he is not done with us!

God has only one Plan if you want to call it a plan.
It's not a plan in the true sense really but to obey God end of Story.
Satan an has plans. God does not, it's just that you obey or you do not in fact.
Anyone who brings out plans for you, the Devil is in the detail to be sure, I have seen this time and time again.
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega the same as ever and always

 

[Naomi25]

God has only one Plan if you want to call it a plan.
It's not a plan in the true sense really but to obey God end of Story.
Satan an has plans. God does not, it's just that you obey or you do not in fact.
Anyone who brings out plans for you, the Devil is in the detail to be sure, I have seen this time and time again.
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega the same as ever and always

Look, you can chase this around and around as much as you want. But, like I pointed out to you before, the bible is quite clear: God does have plans. The devil has schemes. Those are the words the bible uses. Not me...the bible.
You want to get pedantic and fussy, take it up with scripture, not me.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Look, you can chase this around and around as much as you want. But, like I pointed out to you before, the bible is quite clear: God does have plans. The devil has schemes. Those are the words the bible uses. Not me...the bible.
You want to get pedantic and fussy, take it up with scripture, not me.

One Plan and that is all about and truly becoming born again and abiding in God, the rest are just only schemes to tempt man.

 

[Naomi25]

One Plan and that is all about and truly becoming born again and abiding in God, the rest are just only schemes to tempt man.

So...really, what I said in post #94. That God has a plan of redemption. And the devil and evil man 'schemes'.
Right. Glad we sorted that out. You sort of took the long way though.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... still waiting for December 8th to mark what will be a climatic series of events which will include Israel dropping nuclear weapons on it's own north-central vicinity ...