Phoneman777 said:
I was hoping for a response regarding the popular idea that "the Old Covenant was the Law", which I think I have shown plainly from Romans 3 to not stand the test of Scripture. Do you have a comment regarding the attempt to replace "the law" with "Old Covenant" in Romans 3:31?
Given the context of Rom 3 & 4 do you believe you can be justified by the Law or OT Covenant?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
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The curse of the Law was not the Law itself, but the result of disobeying it.
Your answer to my above question will help you with your above statement.
The "spirit of the law" versus the "letter of the law" is a false dichotomy.
False dichotomy you say....interesting.
The Apostle Paul didn't think so
Where no grace was available the law only made transgressors and existed only in the letter.
Paul says,
“The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.”
Even if the Spirit were "added" to the letter and you believed the letter would not kill you; hoping the spirit would give you life (Hmmm) - you can still practice the commandments (yes), not by our own strength
but by the
gift of your Savior! (Dont fail in one point!)
It concerns me, you are not willing to speak in Biblical terms regarding the OT Covenant / OT Commandments / OT Laws all of which are written in letters (in stone) and all capable of killing both the obediant and the sinner. God will have Mercy on whom He will have Mercy.
If one keeps the spirit of the law, he automatically keeps the letter of the law.
And Vice a Versa?
Even though he may never have read the OT Law / Commandments?
If you say yes...then I agree with this!
Now you are getting close to understanding the Spirit.
One cannot say he is keeping the spirit of the Sabbath commandment by breaking the letter of the commandment which is to rest the seventh day.
Did David break the letter of the Law in Luke 6 / 1 Sam 21? While upholding the Spirit? i.e Mercy and Grace?
Jesus answered by pointing back in their history to when David … and his companions were hungry and entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful
only for priests to eat (Luke 6:3–4; see 1 Sam. 21)
Could David have said "I am breaking the letter, but upholding the Spirit?"
If you say no! then you make Christ to say David was sinning in taking the show bread and therefore Jesus and his dsciples were also sinning by working to eat ears of corn on the Sabbath. Either way you are in a bind - you must make Spirit = Mercy and Law = Death. (The Law here could have killed a hungry righteous man if obeyed)
Either way the Spirit can be upheld while the letter is broken because its interpration was in darkness veiled until Christ came.
If our understanding is stretched beyond its current limitations we are no doubt drawing nearer to God ...are we not?
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