Sabbath-Keeping

[Phoneman777]

Are you saying taht without the law you would purposely go and break them??

What line of reasoning would prompt you to ask such a question?

 

[mjrhealth]

What line of reasoning would prompt you to ask such a question?

There is no line of reasoning it is a very simple question, would you pruposely go out and sin without the law. Yes or no.

In all His Love

 

[mjrhealth]

"The Word was God" and "the Word became flesh". Why don't you discover from that Word that the Jesus you've embraced is not the Jesus of Scripture?

Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Because I know Him and He knows me. is that a problem.

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

In All His Love

 

[Phoneman777]

So, Phoneman777 you can keep the 10 commandments and yet lust in your heart and commit adultery in your heart as long as you don't do it physically.

I agree with you that it is entirely possible to keep the letter of the law without the spirit of the law.

Why can't you agree with me that it is utterly impossible to keep the spirit of the law while breaking the letter of the law?

 

[Phoneman777]

There is no line of reasoning it is a very simple question, would you pruposely go out and sin without the law. Yes or no.

In all His Love

What do you mean by "without the law"?

 

[Phoneman777]

Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Because I know Him and He knows me. is that a problem.

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

In All His Love

You say you know Jesus? The Bible test for that is "Hereby we do know that we know Him IF we keep His commandments." "All Thy commandments are truth".

 

[mjrhealth]

What do you mean by "without the law"?

You know that law that you are so vehemntly holdling onto, before I became a christian I never had the law and chose to to what is right not purposely going out to hurt anyone, even know as a christian still without the law still I dont go out to purposely hurt anyone, and there are thousands of christians and non christans alike who live quiet well without the law, so tell us all would you go out and sin against some one on purpose without the law.

In all His Love and abundant grace

 

[Phoneman777]

You lnow that law that you are so vehemntly holdling onto, before I became a chritain I never had teh law and chse to to what is right not purposely going out to hurt anyone, evemn know as a chritan still without the law still I dont go out to purposely hurt anyone, and theer are thousands of christians and non christans alike who live quiet well witout the law, so tell us all would you go out and sin against some one on purpose without the law.

In all His Love ang abubndant grace

What do you mean by "without the law"? Do you mean "without a knowledge of the law"? Do you mean "having a knowledge of the law but choosing to ignore it'? Or do you mean something else?

 

[mjrhealth]

I mean what I say, teh law teh ten commandments those laws that you declare you do not break, would you purposely go and sin gainst someone or even want to break the law without the law. It is a simple question of which everyone here can answer, yes or no?

 

[Phoneman777]

I mean what I say, teh law teh ten commandments those laws that you declare you do not break, would you purposely go and sin gainst someone or even want to break the law without the law. It is a simple question of which everyone here can answer, yes or no?

You can't expect me to answer the question if you don't clarify it for me. When you say, "without the law", do you mean:

A. "without a knowledge of the law"

B. "having a knowledge of the law but choosing to ignore it"

C. Something else

Just pick A, B, or C.

 

[mjrhealth]

You are simply beating around the bush, yes or no it really is not that hard, Well spilt it too make it easy for you.

Without the knowledge of the law would you go out and sin against anypone on purpose. I know where you are going with this.
Now if you knew the law but where not under it, would you still go out and sin against anypone on purpose.

Oh that devill has you twisted around his little finger and he is having a laugh it the cost of your life. is it worth it??

People this is what not going to Jesus does to people.

In All His Love

 

[Phoneman777]

You are simply beating around the bush, yes or no it really is not that hard, Well spilt it too make it easy for you.

Without the knowledge of the law would you go out and sin against anypone on purpose. I know where you are going with this.
Now if you knew the law but where not under it, would you still go out and sin against anypone on purpose.

Oh that devill has you twisted around his little finger and he is having a laugh it the cost of your life. is it worth it??

People this is what not going to Jesus does to people.

In All His Love

As a Christian, why would I deliberately hurt my neighbor through sinful actions?

Jesus said, "If ye love Me keep My commandments".

Question: Does it sound like Jesus meant to teach us that if we love Him, we can disregard His commandments?

 

[mjrhealth]

You are ignoring the question which i know you cannot answer,

because if you answer no without the law I would still not purposely go out to sin against anyone, which means you know love and grace which does not require the law, and all your reasoning and the purpose of your religion would acoount for nought.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

If you say Yes without the law i would go and sin on purpose whcih means you are a sinner, do not know love and are without grace this is whom teh law was for.

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

If you where walking in Love as required by Christ the law would not be such a problem for you.

Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

You have missed the target by a long way.

 

[Phoneman777]

You are ignoring the question which i know you cannot answer,

because if you answer no without the law I would still not purposely go out to sin against anyone, which means you know love and grace which does not require the law, and all your reasoning and the purpose of your religion would acoount for nought.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

If you say Yes without the law i would go and sin on purpose whcih means you are a sinner, do not know love and are without grace this is whom teh law was for.

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

If you where walking in Love as required by Christ the law would not be such a problem for you.

Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

You have missed the target by a long way.

Which of the Ten Commandments does God allow those who love Him to break?
Which of the Ten Commandments does God allow those who love their neighbor to break?

 

[mjrhealth]

Which of the Ten Commandments does God allow those who love Him to break?
Which of the Ten Commandments does God allow those who love their neighbor to break?

Do you not have Love, which law have you not broken, have you forsaken grace, what is it you do not understand. i am not doing thsi for you, you have already chosen whom you will serve, but this is all for those undecided whao cant choose law or grace. One gives life the other death its in all teh words you speak. the law is a burden to you which you seem to be unwiiling to let go.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

But again you refuse His council and so carry the burden yourself.

In all His Love

 

[Phoneman777]

Do you not have Love, which law have you not broken, have you forsaken grace, what is it you do not understand. i am not doing thsi for you, you have already chosen whom you will serve, but this is all for those undecided whao cant choose law or grace. One gives life the other death its in all teh words you speak. the law is a burden to you which you seem to be unwiiling to let go.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

But again you refuse His council and so carry the burden yourself.

In all His Love

So, are you saying that we may freely disregard the Ten Commandments as long as we love God and love our neighbor?

 

[mjrhealth]

So, are you saying that we may freely disregard the Ten Commandments as long as we love God and love our neighbor?

Dont you have Love??? Love would not do those things thats why love fufills the LAW. And again they where never given to you, Go read teh whole bible cover to cover and show me where God or Jesus handed us teh law.

Jesus came full of grace and mercy not with the LAW and a stick.

They are not your never where.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

In all His Love and patients, its a good thing He has so much He needs it with men.

 

[Phoneman777]

Dont you have Love??? Love would not do those things thats why love fufills the LAW. And again they where never given to you, Go read teh whole bible cover to cover and show me where God or Jesus handed us teh law.

Jesus came full of grace and mercy not with the LAW and a stick.

They are not your never where.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

In all His Love and patients, its a good thing He has so much He needs it with men.

Please answer the question. Are Christians free to disregard the Ten Commandments as long as they love God and love their neighbor or will they keep the Ten Commandments because they love God and love their neighbor?

 

[mjrhealth]

Please answer the question. Are Christians free to disregard the Ten Commandments as long as they love God and love their neighbor or will they keep the Ten Commandments because they love God and love their neighbor?

You want me to tell you its ok to keep the law. I cannot do that for it would cause me to sin against God by putting an unnecessary burden on you that you choose to carry. You have no undestaning of Love, if you knew love you would not ask such a question, why do you think Jesus said.

Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar_12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Joh_13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

How can one say one is saved by grace when one refuses grace to keep the law.

As it says

Jas_2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. - Death its only reward.

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

You simply wont let it go even at the cost of your life. It wont stand up on judgement day.

 

[UppsalaDragby]

Please answer the question.

Oh how utterly ironic!!