Sabbath-Keeping

[Phoneman777]

OSAS is the belief that dead faith can obtain that which only living faith can obtain: eternal life.

 

[ATP]

Brother, the death from which you crossed over to life was also "eternal", so "eternal" is no proof at all that you can't cross back over to death.

BTW, the Unmerciful Servant crossed back over from forgiveness to condemnation, right?

But the action is believing, the result is eternal life. You can't worm your way out of this one guy. Checkmate.

 

[Phoneman777]

But the action is believing, the result is eternal life. You can't worm your way out of this one guy. Checkmate.

Did you even read what I said? I said the death you crossed over from was ETERNAL, yet you are still able to cross over from that, so you can't use "eternal" as an operative word for claiming the inability to cross back over from life to death. "Consistency, thou art a jewel."


You can't have it both ways any sooner that you can move two Chess pieces at the same time, the equivalent of your reasoning.

 

[Phoneman777]

But the action is believing, the result is eternal life. You can't worm your way out of this one guy. Checkmate.

BTW, if the Unmerciful Servant didn't believe that he was forgiven, then he's an idiot because the condemned don't have the ability to walk the streets and track down other people who owe them money.

 

[ATP]

Did you even read what I said? I said the death you crossed over from was ETERNAL, yet you are still able to cross over from that, so you can't use "eternal" as an operative word for claiming the inability to cross back over from life to death. "Consistency, thou art a jewel."


You can't have it both ways any sooner that you can move two Chess pieces at the same time, the equivalent of your reasoning.

There is no "yet" in that scripture. You're adding to scripture. That's a no no. Eternal is eternal Phoneman. Are you going to add "yet" to these scriptures too..I guess John lied to us. We can't be confident........1 John 5:13-14 NIV.....

John 3:14-15 NIV Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

John 3:16 NIV For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 6:40 NIV For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

John 6:47 NIV I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.

Acts 13:46-48 NIV Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: " 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' " 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

1 John 5:13-14 NIV I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God:

 

[Barrd]

There is no "yet" in that scripture. You're adding to scripture. That's a no no. Eternal is eternal Phoneman. Are you going to add "yet" to these scriptures too..I guess John lied to us. We can't be confident........1 John 5:13-14 NIV.....

John 3:14-15 NIV Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

John 3:16 NIV For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 6:40 NIV For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

John 6:47 NIV I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.

Acts 13:46-48 NIV Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: " 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' " 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

1 John 5:13-14 NIV I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God:

Believing in Jesus means believing what He says. I don't see how you do not understand that.

 

[ATP]

Believing in Jesus means believing what He says. I don't see how you do not understand that.

And believing in Jesus is also believing that God raised Jesus from the dead and believing He is your ultimate Savior.

 

[ATP]

Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see.
’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares,
I have already come;
’Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far,
And grace will lead me home.
The Lord has promised good to me,
His Word my hope secures;
He will my Shield and Portion be,
As long as life endures.
Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess, within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.
The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
The sun forbear to shine;
But God, who called me here below,
Will be forever mine.
When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we’d first begun.

 

[Joyful]

OSAS is the belief that dead faith can obtain that which only living faith can obtain: eternal life.

You are right, brother.

 

[ATP]

You are right, brother.

I guess John lied to us. We can't be confident......1 John 5:13-14 NIV.

 

[Joyful]

I guess John lied to us. We can't be confident......1 John 5:13-14 NIV.

Nope, John does not endorse dead faith, dude.

 

[ATP]

Nope, John does not endorse dead faith, dude.

John endorses eternal life by believing, dude.

 

[Joyful]

John endorses eternal life by believing, dude.

Still dancing around.

You need to repent of your ungrateful attitude.

 

[ATP]

Still dancing around.

You need to repent of your ungrateful attitude.

You need to accept what Jesus did for you on the cross.

 

[Joyful]

You need to accept what Jesus did for you on the cross.

Of course I do. that's why I show my gratitude and trying to keep my promise to Him. I accepted Him as Lord so I show my gratitude by doing my best to obey His commands and tell others to do the same. Jesus commands us to tell the world about Him and His commands.

 

[Joyful]

ATP, why do you try so hard spreading half truth?

 

[ATP]

Of course I do. that's why I show my gratitude and trying to keep my promise to Him. I accepted Him as Lord so I show my gratitude by doing my best to obey His commands and tell others to do the same. Jesus commands us to tell the world about Him and His commands.

So tell me, how can one lose his salvation if Jesus paid for it all?

 

[Joyful]

So tell me, how can one lose his salvation if Jesus paid for it all?

Jesus paid for people accept Jesus as their Lord and savior. We all will be be saved if we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior with all our heart, soul, strength and mind.

You are still looking for lope hole of my statement.

You never quit being rebellious. You need to repent if you want eternal life.

 

[ATP]

Jesus paid for people accept Jesus as their Lord and savior. We all will be be saved if we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior with all our heart, soul, strength and mind.

You are still looking for lope hole of my statement.

You never quit being rebellious. You need to repent if you want eternal life.

I don't think you understand. Jesus paid for all sins, past, present and future. Even the sins I will commit tomorrow. He paid for them. So if He paid my sin debt, how is it possible to lose my salvation?

 

[Barrd]

I don't think you understand. Jesus paid for all sins, past, present and future. Even the sins I will commit tomorrow. He paid for them. So if He paid my sin debt, how is it possible to lose my salvation?

Are you grateful to Him, then, ATP?