Salvation : Is Finished.

[Behold]

How is it a false gospel when all I do is post the words of Jesus

The Gospel "In the time of the Gentiles"....came from Paul.

He is the one who defined "the Gospel of the Grace of God".

Jesus used HIM to do this...........so, when you say....>>>"i post the words of Jesus"........you are not posting the True Gospel, because you leave out the very one whom Jesus chose to tell us what it is..........as its Paul's Gospel.

This is why he wrote Galatians 1:8...........as a warning to you.

This is why he told you that the Gospel that He preaches is "MY GOSPEL" , Paul told you 3x in the NT.

 

[pandaflower]

Jesus understands that being born again, is forever.

Listen, Its offensive to Jesus to come to forums, as you do, and deny that He keeps His redeemed saved.


"but behold, i have to abide, i have things that i must do, to save myself... to try to stay saved".

See that?
That is a denial of Jesus's Sacrifice, and you dont mind doing it., over and over.

= You deny Jesus's Sacrifice when you try to twist your 3 verses, to try to falsly prove that He does not Keep you saved.

It's blasphemy of the holy spirit.

Which we know not to do.

 

[Behold]

It's blasphemy of the holy spirit.

Which we know not to do.

Its insulting to Jesus's sacrifice and paying disrepect to God's Grace, everytime someone says : "salvation can be lost".
As that is opening and willfully Denying the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
So every time you see a "OSAS" Thread, then you are dealing with that type of religious person, who has no idea what The Cross of Christ has accomplished, so they insult it with their religious ignorance and pride.

See, its Pride PRIDE PRIDE< to believe that you have more power to lose Salvation then God's Son's Sacrifice has eternal power to keep you saved.
And its the epitome of Heresy to try to use God's own word to try to prove that Jesus's sacrifice is not ETERNAL and Completed, when its accomplished and when its received by a sinner.

 

[nedsk]

It depends on what you believe.

Not just what you believe. If we are talking about belief that Jesus is the savior then demons believe that much. Belief by itself is not sufficient. People REALLY dont understand what sufficient means do they?

 

[brightfame52]

Not just what you believe. If we are talking about belief that Jesus is the savior then demons believe that much. Belief by itself is not sufficient. People REALLY dont understand what sufficient means do they?

It still depends on what you believe.

 

[nedsk]

It still depends on what you believe.

Yes and that gets you half way there

 

[brightfame52]

Yes and that gets you half way there

Depends on what you believe. Whats your belief on Jesus ? What is it to believe in Jesus of the scripture right here Matt 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[nedsk]

Depends on what you believe. Whats your belief on Jesus ? What is it to believe in Jesus of the scripture right here Matt 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus death makes salvation available to you. Scripture is clear you arent just granted it simply because you believe. You know this but you people just ignore it.

 

[brightfame52]

@nedsk

Jesus death makes salvation available to you.

See thats what Im saying, it depends on what you believe, and what jesus you cleave to. That Jesus you present who makes salvation available to you, isnt the Jesus being announced in Matt 1:21, who actually has a target to save His People, not all mankind, from their sins. And He is successful in accomplishing that task. Its finished Isa 53:10-11

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

 

[nedsk]

@nedsk



See thats what Im saying, it depends on what you believe, and what jesus you cleave to. That Jesus you present who makes salvation available to you, isnt the Jesus being announced in Matt 1:21, who actually has a target to save His People, not all mankind, from their sins. And He is successful in accomplishing that task. Its finished Isa 53:10-11

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Thats the only Jesus there is. Faith alone is not sufficient for salvation. Period. Ive asked all of you if any of you know what the word sufficient means and thus far no one seems to know. Faith is completed by works. By definition that means faith alone is not sufficient for salvation because if it were then it would have been ridiculous to have James wrote faith is completed by works. You cant just ignore the passages you dont like

 

[brightfame52]

@nedsk

Thats the only Jesus there is. Faith alone is not sufficient for salvation. Period

Right, but Jesus of Matt 1:21 is ,sufficient and successful. You not talking about the Jesus Matt 1:21. What does it say He will do in that scripture ?

 

[nedsk]

@nedsk



Right, but Jesus of Matt 1:21 is ,sufficient and successful. You not talking about the Jesus Matt 1:21. What does it say He will do in that scripture ?

Its says he will save his people from their sins. Yes or No?

 

[brightfame52]

Its says he will save his people from their sins. Yes or No?

Yes.

 

[nedsk]

Yes.

Right. It doesnt say anything about faith being sufficient to access that salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

Right. It doesnt say anything about faith being sufficient to access that salvation.

No. But what does it say ? Matt 1:21

 

[nedsk]

No. But what does it say ? Matt 1:21

Did you not understand my answer in post #52? If you didn't what's the point of repeating myself?

 

[Taken]

Thanks for the compliments.
How about some scripture?
Something about how we cannot forfeit our salvation.

It would be nice.
Since Jesus said we could be;
SAVED FOR A WHILE

Disagree.
You can be “following along, learning about, Salvation” and “believe”, then “reject”.
That is NOT a Commitment.
That is NOT having “receiv-ED” the Gift.
That is NOT been made “sav-ED’.

FALL AWAY

Yes a man Can Fall Away.
Falling away Does NOT mean;
“Received the GIFT of Salvation”, Then the GIFT of Salvation Revoked”.

“FALL AWAY”, means;
you were Hearing, (Receiving) the Word of God;
* For Hearing, (Receiving) the Word of God;
God was BLESSING you “WITH FAITH”.
* You Being Blessed “WITH FAITH”, was you Being “Blessed, With Belief”.
* “IF”, you STOP Hearing…
“THEN”, you STOP Receiving “Faith”.
* “IF” you STOP Receiving “Faith”,
“THEN” You Become “a target”, “easily influenced”… by powers Against God; stronger that you;
(Satan, devils, celebrities, movies, games, governing authorities, etc.)
* “IF” you relent and listen, hear opposing views, consider and acquiesce and follow opposing views…
“THEN”… you have Fallen From Faith.

BE CUT OFF

Yes a man CAN be Cut Off.
* “IF” you Depart from the Faith; Fall Away from the Faith…
“THEN” you ARE CUT OFF from “Receiving increased Faith.”

DEPART FROM HIM

Yes.
“IF” you are NOT following “Him”,
“THEN” you Have Departed FROM Him.
( and He FROM you!)

GO TO THE ETERNAL FIRE

Yes.
“IF” you Are NOT With Him.;
“THEN you “ARE; AGAINST Him”.
Matt 12:30
Luke 11:23

I think it's very important to learn what Jesus said.

More importantly is to to “Understand WHAT Jesus’ Words MEAN.”

Rom 10:
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Falling Away, is A follower, being “taught” the word of God, “enlightened”, enjoying “blessings” From God…
THEN, rejecting … what he heard, learned, believed, not attributing his blessings to God…

Such a man;
“NEVER” (IF / THEN)…
Never MADE a Heartfelt Commitment of Belief unto the Lord God.

Never RECEIVED, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Never RECEIVED, the Lords Spirit “with- IN” him.

“IF” the man HAD… RECEIVED” the Baptism of the Holy Spirit….

“THEN” Gods Holy Spirit would Dwell “With-IN” the man…

AND… what Power, in this Whole World…could Convince THAT man to Reject God?
Satan?
Devils ?
Governments?
Celebrities?
Other men?
The man himself?

NaDa…. Because…

1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Key words…. “IN-you”

Gods Spirit “Never enters “IN” a man…”That Can There-After… EVER “Reject God”.

Missing “key Words”…
“Gods SPIRIT… iN- you…
For men who Fall from faith;
For men who Believe then Stop Believing;
For men who Follow then stop Following;
For men who Taste the word of God and Spit it out.

You confuse Gods Spirit “WITH” a man…
And Gods Spirit “IN” a man.
You can cite examples from Scripture of men WITH God, then With-Out God…
You “presume” they “were saved”…Yet Scriptures says no such thing.

Gods Spirit WITH a man…Absolutely Can Leave that man who Rejects Him.

Gods Spirit IN a man…God Shall NEVER Leave that man…Nor can that man thereafter Ever Leave or Reject God.
AND ^ THAT as well is important To Know “WHY”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

Jesus death makes salvation available to you. Scripture is clear you arent just granted it simply because you believe. You know this but you people just ignore it.

God Imputes the righteousness of Christ like this.....

Our "faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness.""

A.) Justification by Faith.

So, the believer receives Salvation.......because its a "GIFT" from God., that is completed by Jesus on The Cross.
This is why He said from the Cross....."IT".... (The Eternal Sacrifice of Himself to God) is FINISHED".

Hyper Religious Cults and the Heretics they produce... do not accept that Jesus Alone.... is God's Salvation.......so, they add their "works and self effort, and water baptism, and commandment keeping".. FALSE REQUIREMENTS....
Paul refers to people who teach this false Gospel, and their Cult.........as "cursed".

Galatians 1:8

 

[nedsk]

God Imputes the righteousness of Christ like this.....

Our "faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness.""

A.) Justification by Faith.

So, the believer receives Salvation.......because its a "GIFT" from God., that is completed by Jesus on The Cross.
This is why He said from the Cross....."IT".... (The Eternal Sacrifice of Himself to God) is FINISHED".

Hyper Religious Cults and the Heretics they produce... do not accept that Jesus Alone.... is God's Salvation.......so, they add their "works and self effort, and water baptism, and commandment keeping".. FALSE REQUIREMENTS....
Paul refers to people who teach this false Gospel, and their Cult.........as "cursed".

Galatians 1:8

Right faith that is completed by works just as James instructs us.

 

[Behold]

Right faith that is completed by works just as James instructs us.

A person's works can't complete The Cross of Christ

James does not say that salvation is completed, he said that real faith in Christ is proven.........by works

in other words........the fruit of real faith.....the fruit of Christianity, is that it produces good works., and if this is not happening then the person's faith is cold or dead.
So, James said he will prove his faith to others, by his works.
He's not proving it to God, as God sees the Heart.........no works required.

However, Faith is not the Savior. Faith can't save you.
God saves you through faith.

Its (God's) ""Grace through Faith".