Salvation : Is Finished.

[GodsGrace]

Faith is not the savior..
Also the verse does not say that Salvation is dead, as Salvation is eternal life, and Eternal life can't die or end.

God accepts a person's Faith, once......on their salvation day, and that is why they are born again, once.
So, that is the faith that God required and God accepted it and their "faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness", and they are born again.
This is not, evolving, or progressive, its a SPIRITUAL BIRTH, whereby the person become a "new Creation"......"in Christ".
So, their FAITH was accepte and now they are heaven bound.
They dont keep believing to try to stay saved, as God has accepted their faith, and SAVED THEM Completely.
This is why the verse say we are "Complete IN HIM">......."IN Christ".......as "ONE WITH GOD"> = Colossians 2:10

God's Gift of Salvaiton is not part time, and its not based on your Behavior, its based on The Cross of Christ.

"but behold, if i lose my faith, after im saved dont i burn in hell, after i die".
No you dont, as God has already accepted your Faith......its DONE... that is why a person is BORN AGAIN.
Its ACCOMPLISHED.

"yes, but, what if i lost my faith, next week or next Octorber 14Th ?, ""

God is faithful to finish your Salvation, as its HIS that He gave you. = Philippians 1:6

And this Colossians 2:10

if we believe not, yet God abideth faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
ASV
if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself.
AMP
If we are faithless, He remains faithful [true to His word and His righteous character], for He cannot deny Himself.
AMPC
If we are faithless [do not believe and are untrue to Him], He remains true (faithful to His Word and His righteous character), for He cannot deny Himself.
BRG
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
CSB
if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself.
CSBA
if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself.
CEB
If we are disloyal, he stays faithful” because he can’t be anything else than what he is.
CJB
If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
CEV
If we are not faithful, he will still be faithful. Christ cannot deny who he is.”
DARBY
if we are unfaithful, *he* abides faithful, for he cannot deny himself.
DLNT
if we are faithless, that One remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
DRA
If we believe not, he continueth faithful, he can not deny himself.
ERV
If we are not faithful, he will still be faithful, because he cannot be false to himself.
EASY
Even if we no longer trust him, he will still be someone that people can trust. He will always remain true to his nature.’
EHV
If we are faithless, he remains faithful, because he cannot deny himself.
ESV

Find out what it means when Paul teaches that God does not deny HIMSELF.

It has nothing to do with our discussion here.

IF it did, there would be a glaring conflict in

2 Timothy 2:11-13 Let's check out why:
11 It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot * deny Himself.


Check verse 12: IF WE DENY HIM, HE ALSO WILL DENY US.


Now check out verse 13:
IF WE DENY HIM, HE REMAINS FAITHFUL FOR HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.

Verse 12 states that we will be denied.

Verse 13, according to YOU, states we cannot be denied.


So which is it Behold?

Incorrect theology creates many conflicts.

hint: God remains faithful to HIMSELF....to HIS PROMISES.
God will not deny what HE HAS PROMISED.

 

[GodsGrace]

That Jesus shall save His People from their sins !

Agreed.

Question is:
WHO are His people??

 

[brightfame52]

Agreed.

Question is:
WHO are His people??

Everyone who He saved

And all them He foreknew Rom 11:2

God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

 

[GodsGrace]

Everyone who He saved

And all them He foreknew Rom 11:2

God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Very interesting....
because Romans 11:2, which YOU posted, is explaining WHO Paul is speaking about:

Romans 11:1-5
1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3 "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."
4 But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."
5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice.


In Romans 11:1 Paul is explaining that God has not rejected HIS PEOPLE....
God's people are those through whom He wished to reveal Himself...
The Jews.

Romans 9, 10 and 11 is written to the Jews and explains that God has not forgotten them just because He has also accepted the Gentiles.

Paul explains that he too is an Israelite, descended from Abraham, and thus a Jew.

GOD FOREKNEW the Jews in that He foreknew WHO He would choose to reveal Himself...of course, God foreknows EVERYTHING.
Even who will be saved.

As one could see Paul speaks about the OT prophets,,,
again
pointing to the Jews as his audience.


God FOREKNOWS everything,,,even who will choose Him in order to become saved.

Praise God for being a JUST GOD.

 

[brightfame52]

Very interesting....
because Romans 11:2, which YOU posted, is explaining WHO Paul is speaking about:

Romans 11:1-5
1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
3 "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."
4 But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."
5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice.


In Romans 11:1 Paul is explaining that God has not rejected HIS PEOPLE....
God's people are those through whom He wished to reveal Himself...
The Jews.

Romans 9, 10 and 11 is written to the Jews and explains that God has not forgotten them just because He has also accepted the Gentiles.

Paul explains that he too is an Israelite, descended from Abraham, and thus a Jew.

GOD FOREKNEW the Jews in that He foreknew WHO He would choose to reveal Himself...of course, God foreknows EVERYTHING.
Even who will be saved.

As one could see Paul speaks about the OT prophets,,,
again
pointing to the Jews as his audience.


God FOREKNOWS everything,,,even who will choose Him in order to become saved.

Praise God for being a JUST GOD.

Those whom God foreknew aren't just jews, He foreknew all whom He predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ, which is Christs Body the Church Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

So even them He Justified He foreknew, do you think only ethnic jews are Justified ?

 

[Taken]

Find out what it means when Paul teaches that God does not deny HIMSELF.

It has nothing to do with our discussion here.

IF it did, there would be a glaring conflict in

2 Timothy 2:11-13 Let's check out why:
11 It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot * deny Himself.


Check verse 12: IF WE DENY HIM, HE ALSO WILL DENY US.


Now check out verse 13:
IF WE DENY HIM, HE REMAINS FAITHFUL FOR HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.

Verse 12 states that we will be denied.

Verse 13, according to YOU, states we cannot be denied.


So which is it Behold?

Incorrect theology creates many conflicts.

hint: God remains faithful to HIMSELF....to HIS PROMISES.
God will not deny what HE HAS PROMISED.

God is Faithful to His Own Word.
God Keeps man that IS Faithful to Him.
God Destroys and forgets man that Rejects Him.

 

[brightfame52]

God is Faithful to His Own Word.
God Keeps man that IS Faithful to Him.
God Destroys and forgets man that Rejects Him.

Salvation from God keeps the saved Faithful to Him, thats a Covenant Salvation Promise Jer 32:40

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Christ confirmed that Covenant with His Blood Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[nedsk]

Salvation from God keeps the saved Faithful to Him, thats a Covenant Salvation Promise Jer 32:40

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Christ confirmed that Covenant with His Blood Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

So you can't depart from him. That doesnt sound like love. It sounds like an obsessed person who has the object of their affection locked in the basement.

The covenant is everlasting but your fitness for it may not be everlasting. The prodigal son isn't true st example. The father will never turn his son away because the covenant is ever last but the son can walk away at will.

 

[Behold]

I trust in Christ more than you do.

If you trusted in Christ you would not be trying to prove that you keep yourself saved.
You would trust Him to keep you saved.
You do not.

 

[brightfame52]

@nedsk

So you can't depart from him.

What does Jer 32:40 promise ? Can you believe it

 

[Taken]

So you can't depart from him. That doesnt sound like love. It sounds like an obsessed person who has the object of their affection locked in the basement.

Wow!

God “perfects” men Who Believe and Attest by their Word and Life Commitment to Him, and That is your comment ?

You really have missed the Big Picture.

 

[nedsk]

@nedsk



What does Jer 32:40 promise ? Can you believe it

Wow!

God “perfects” men Who Believe and Attest by their Word and Life Commitment to Him, and That is your comment ?

You really have missed the Big Picture.

whats wrong with you? there were never two more perfect people than Adam and Eve yet they were expelled from the garden. The prodigal son was with the father but chose his own will. You people have these delusional ideas. God will never take away your free will because you couldnt love him otherwise. You still sin and that sin separates you from God. wake up

 

[David Lamb]

whats wrong with you? there were never two more perfect people than Adam and Eve yet they were expelled from the garden. The prodigal son was with the father but chose his own will. You people have these delusional ideas.

But although Adam and Eve were created perfect, they didn't remain so. They disobeyed God, and ate the fruit of the one tree that God had forbidden them. That was why God expelled them from Eden. The prodigal son was not perfect. He was greedy and selfish.

 

[Behold]

When was Salvation finished?

Salvation is Christ offering Himself as a sacrifice to God, on The Cross, for our sin.

Reader, if you dont go to Heaven, its because your sin was never forgiven for eternity by Jesus who is "the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for Sin"..

Its not your works or lack of them, that send you to Heaven, or keep you from heaven.. Its only your SIN that can separate you from God forever that can keep you out of Heaven. And once your SIN has been taken care of by Jesus.......because """"God hath made JESUS to be SIN for us""""".. then there is no other barrier between you and God, as Jesus's sacrifice has removed it forever.

Now, When was God's Salvation FINISHED. ???/

A.) It was finished 2000 yrs ago, as The Cross of Christ.

Jesus paid for all your sin, 2000 yrs ago.

This is why Jesus said from the Cross.........."IT (Salvation) is Finished".

So, if you have trusted in Christ, and are born again.......and are not just water baptized......but if you are born again Spiritually, then this means you have RECEIVED the Completed Salvation That Jesus has finished on The Cross 2000 yrs ago.

"""well Behold what about my good works and my obedience and my commandment keeping""".

This is not your Salvation..........This is what you are to do as your DISCIPLESHIP..... BECAUSE you have received God's Salvaiton that is found as Christ's sacrifice for you.

Salvation is what God has supplied for you as Jesus's Sacrfice on The Cross.

Your Discipleship, is all your doing, and working, and your corrected behavior....that you DO.... becasue you have already received God's eternal Salvaiton.

 

[nedsk]

But although Adam and Eve were created perfect, they didn't remain so. They disobeyed God, and ate the fruit of the one tree that God had forbidden them. That was why God expelled them from Eden. The prodigal son was not perfect. He was greedy and selfish.

And we're not perfect that why we have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We're promised eternal life but our decisions decide if we receive it. This presumptuous attitude you people have is quite unseemly

 

[brightfame52]

So you can't depart from him. That doesnt sound like love. It sounds like an obsessed person who has the object of their affection locked in the basement.

The covenant is everlasting but your fitness for it may not be everlasting. The prodigal son isn't true st example. The father will never turn his son away because the covenant is ever last but the son can walk away at will.

It doesnt matter what something sounds like to you friend. Whats the promise Jer 32:40

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

 

[Behold]

We're promised eternal life but our decisions decide if we receive it.

We receive eternal life as our Salvaiton.
Its "The Gift of eternal life"........you dont earn it, you receive it, as Salvation.
The sinner who gives God their faith in Christ, receives Etneral life.
This is why Jesus told you.....that if you believe in Him......He will give you "eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell (perish)".

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

Reader, if you dont go to Heaven, its because your sin was never forgiven for eternity by Jesus who is "the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for Sin"..

Then Christ didn't die for that person or persons, for God forgives everyones sins whom Christ died for, for Christs Sake alone Eph 4:32

And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

1 Jn 2:12

12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

 

[Behold]

Then Christ didn't die for that person or persons, for God forgives everyones sins whom Christ died for, for Christs Sake alone Eph 4:32

Your Hyper Calvinism is a Satanic lie and Calvinists are the deceived liars, who teach it.

Christians lead people to Christ.
Calvinists, lead people to Calvin.

Jesus died for the sin of the world.
"All who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved".

 

[Taken]

whats wrong with you?

Exactly what I wondered About “You”, with your comment, regarding God…

So you can't depart from him. That doesnt sound like love. It sounds like an obsessed person who has the object of their affection locked in the basement.

there were never two more perfect people than Adam and Eve

Disagree.

People were Not “created” perfect, but are Offered the Opportunity to become made “perfected.”

yet they were expelled from the garden. The prodigal son was with the father but chose his own will.

Uh huh.

You people have these delusional ideas. God will never take away your free will because you couldnt love him otherwise. You still sin and that sin separates you from God. wake up

You severely lack “Understanding”…
A mans FREEWILL is his personal option to MAKE a “Choice he Chooses Without Force”.

You can choose, whom to believe, like, what work to do, where to live, whom to wed, what to eat…. And tomorrow Change all of your choices…So? Who cares?
You want to change where you live, change jobs, leave your spouse, abandon your family, children…you will have the positive or negative consequences to enjoy or regret.

When it comes to the Lord God…Calling ON Him…Talking TO Him, is a Spiritual Experience…Because the Lord God IS a Spirit…your conversation WITH Him, is by, from, of “YOUR spirit”…to Him.

The Lord God IS “Truth”.
Any human “calling TO the Lord God”…HAS an expectation, that individual ALSO, “ONLY” speaks Their Truth.
And not to forget…The Lord God…IS: All Knowing.

What you suggest, is a man can Call on the Lord God… Confess, Declare his TRUE spirits Belief….
And Later “exercise his FREEWILL TO: Change his MIND, and reject Belief.

A mans “spirit” IS NOT “his MIND”, which is:
* Naturally Against God…
* Routinely Changes thoughts and beliefs.
* Not the Means to call on the Lord God.

So, IF you conclude you can …with your Minds Thoughts, call on the Lord God, confess your Belief, Receive His Gift of Salvation, later exercise your FREEWILL to Change your Mind, and then what?
…Throw back your Gift of Salvation?
…Keep your Gift of Salvation?
…Complain, claiming God Revoked your Gift of Salvation?

All a load of Nonsense…

God Who IS Spirit, IS Truth, IS Life…
Has Offered “His WAY” for mankind to Freely Choose to Become (by the power of God) MADE (once and Forever) “Perfected”.

God IS NOT a Fool, nor IS He fooled, by the wishy, washy, ever changing mans MIND.

God Knows, IF a mans Confession IS True …
God Knows, A mans struggles, with governing powers greater than the man, with cunning evil powers greater than the man, with famous peoples influences greater than the man…
AND…OFFERS a man…WHO spiritually, Heartfully, truly Believes…God Himself Will Send “His own Spirit to Dwell with-IN that Person… TO KEEP all, negative, evil, wicked, powerful, influencing …Powers From Drawing “THAT” man…AWAY From God.

If THAT “Condition” IS NOT Favorable … TO YOU… fearing you can not change your Mind About God…

No worries… God already Knows your “apprehension”…and Will Not Give His “Gift of Salvation”… to men…who “later will change “their MIND”.

Remember…the Way is Not to confess with the Mind…there is no Offering of Salvation for a “Mindful Confession of Belief”…