Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

[Spiritual Israelite]

It seems the only one who appears uncomfortable in this thread is you WPM! Why don't you simply let go of the FACT that Satan is NOT a fallen angel of God and admit the Bible does not support your unbiblical point of view? Instead, you would rather accuse and belittle! Esoteric language??? Refusing to clarify??? Uncomfortable explaining??? Desperate to run??? I believe amigo is capable of discerning for himself according to what I've actually said. Because he isn't holding on to a grudge against a fellow Christian.

How about you clarify what your beliefs actually are instead of saying some things that make it seem like you believe one thing and other things that make it seem like you believe something else?

Can you just clarify what you believe for everyone for the sake of helping us to not misrepresent what you believe?

Do you believe that Satan is a created personal spirit being who is a separate being from human beings? Yes or no?

Do you believe that devils/demons are created personal spirit beings who are separate beings from human beings? Yes or no?

Do you believe that angels are created personal spirit beings who are separate beings from human beings? Yes or no?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Once again, I have never said demons/devils/Satan as well as angels of God are not real! What I have said all along is that they exist by working and doing through physical hosts. Yes, I agree this is ridiculous!

So, why can't you see that @TribulationSigns disagrees with you about this? He does not see Satan, demons/devils, and angels as being actual spirit beings who are separate beings from human beings. He has made that very clear. You say that they work through human hosts, but don't try to say that they are the spirit of those human hosts, right? You don't believe that they are a part of human beings but are separate beings who possess humans, right? That's not how he understands it. He does not believe they are their own beings who possess human beings.

But, scripture never says that devils/demons can't exist apart from human hosts. Look at all the times when it talks about them being cast out of humans. They don't just cease to exist as soon as they are cast out. They still exist and go try to find some other human host to dwell in or to influence.

But, as for angels, are you claiming that they too only exist in human hosts? Scripture certainly never teaches that. It portrays them as going back and forth from heaven to earth and we can see examples from scripture of angels appearing to humans, apart from humans, and communicating with them. Not only do they exist apart from human hosts, but they never exist within human hosts. Only devils/demons are ever said to possess humans.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Can you explain from the Bible how spirits operate outside of a physical host? Because the Bible does not explicitly state that demons can operate entirely independent of a physical host, but it does show that they can function in ways that do not require direct possession of a physical host.

Do you not believe that angels are spirits? The Bible teaches that. Hebrews 1:14 calls them "ministering spirits". They clearly operate outside of physical hosts. So, why can't demons also do that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So, Christians are possessed by angels? All the wicked are demon possessd?

He's not understanding the implications of his claims. He is making a blanket statement that spirits can only exist within physical hosts. He posted scripture showing that angels are ministering spirits. So, the implication of his claim that spirits can only exist withing physical hosts would mean that even angels can only exist within physical hosts. Which is very clearly not true. So, if angels can exist outside of physical hosts, as they clearly do, then why can't demons also exist outside of physical hosts? Which they clearly do. When they were cast out of physical hosts in scripture they didn't just cease to exist. They still existed and then tried to find new hosts. Can he acknowledge all of this or not? We'll see.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Absolutely amigo! Satan is indeed a subtle foe of mankind, especially those who have been born again! If we only think of Satan as possessing the out-of-control lunatic that abounds in this world, then we are indeed in danger of falling under his wicked deceptive ways as did our first parents at creation.

Would you agree that Satan is a spirit being? If so, do you think he is always possessing someone at all times? You have claimed that spirits can't exist outside of a physical host. What physical host was Satan possessing when he was tempting Jesus in the desert for 40 days and nights?

 

[WPM]

Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ, do you really believe angels are the Holy Spirit of Christ?

And the wicked, as the Bible, not I, tell us, the wicked are estranged and go about speaking lies from birth which means all man at birth are
indwelt with the spirit of evil.

You don't seem to understand how unsaved mankind is under the power and influence of the power of evil. Being possessed by the spirit of Satan is understood as a supernatural condition in which a demonic entity exercises control over a person, often with visible and disruptive effects, but not always, and is described in the Bible as a real spiritual affliction requiring divine deliverance. Liars are every much under the power (ownership/possession) of the evil one, called Satan, as the person who presents this ownership in physical, bizarre uncontrollable behavior and afflictions!

Okay, I agree. Angels are distinct from humans. They operate in the invisible world.

 

[WPM]

Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ, do you really believe angels are the Holy Spirit of Christ?

And the wicked, as the Bible, not I, tell us, the wicked are estranged and go about speaking lies from birth which means all man at birth are
indwelt with the spirit of evil.

You don't seem to understand how unsaved mankind is under the power and influence of the power of evil. Being possessed by the spirit of Satan is understood as a supernatural condition in which a demonic entity exercises control over a person, often with visible and disruptive effects, but not always, and is described in the Bible as a real spiritual affliction requiring divine deliverance. Liars are every much under the power (ownership/possession) of the evil one, called Satan, as the person who presents this ownership in physical, bizarre uncontrollable behavior and afflictions!

So, how did they move from a human being into pigs? They were obviously not in a physical host in between. What about when the devil that was cast out of a human and he went wandering looking for another host with six of his buddies. So, they can obviously function outside of a physical host.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of Christ, do you really believe angels are the Holy Spirit of Christ?

Why do you ask silly questions like this? What purpose does it serve? You know he doesn't believe that.

And the wicked, as the Bible, not I, tell us, the wicked are estranged and go about speaking lies from birth which means all man at birth are
indwelt with the spirit of evil.

Are you saying that you believe that all people are possessed by demons from birth? If so, what scripture do you think teaches this?

You don't seem to understand how unsaved mankind is under the power and influence of the power of evil.

He understands that quite well. How do these false accusations help promote productive discussions?

Being possessed by the spirit of Satan is understood as a supernatural condition in which a demonic entity exercises control over a person, often with visible and disruptive effects, but not always, and is described in the Bible as a real spiritual affliction requiring divine deliverance.

Are you equating Satan with all demons? Do you not think that the devil, Satan is a separate spirit being from other devils/demons?

Liars are every much under the power (ownership/possession) of the evil one, called Satan, as the person who presents this ownership in physical, bizarre uncontrollable behavior and afflictions!

Do you believe that Satan, who is an individual spirit being, possesses all unsaved human beings? If so, you are giving him more credit and applying more power to him than he actually has.

 

[rwb]

So, how did they move from a human being into pigs? They were obviously not in a physical host in between. What about when the devil that was cast out of a human and he went wandering looking for another host with six of his buddies. So, they can obviously function outside of a physical host.

Christ, after casting out the demons from the man sent them into the herd of swine to perish in the waters because the devils besought (pleaded) with Him not to torment them before a certain time.

Matthew 8:28-29 (KJV) And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Matthew 8:30-32 (KJV) And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

The spirit of evil is always seeking whom he may devour.

Matthew 12:43-45 (KJV) When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Ephesians 6:11-12 (KJV) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[amigo de christo]

How about you clarify what your beliefs actually are instead of saying some things that make it seem like you believe one thing and other things that make it seem like you believe something else?

Can you just clarify what you believe for everyone for the sake of helping us to not misrepresent what you believe?

Do you believe that Satan is a created personal spirit being who is a separate being from human beings? Yes or no?

Do you believe that devils/demons are created personal spirit beings who are separate beings from human beings? Yes or no?

Do you believe that angels are created personal spirit beings who are separate beings from human beings? Yes or no?

Yes , yes and yes . And many are being influenced by the dark one and its legions are many .
They are the influencers of the many who now lead and guide this world
to merge again as one by means of an ecumiencal harlot who sits over many waters .
But JESUS has the sheep and by the POWER of the HOLY GHOST within us we shall resist a harlots love
and the lie of its father the dragon .
Now mount up my friend . The hour is late and many even in wool are now co workers to and co helpers
of that which is of anti christ and shall lead this world to the day of armegeddon .
And to its own demise and destruction BY GOD and THE LAMB , whom its love DENIED .
And though they had cried this is the way to world peace n safety
THE LYING SPIRIT was behind it all to convince them to go up and attain peace n safety
AND YET it was all TO THE DAY OF THEIR OWN SUDDEN D ESTRUCTION .
OH its coming my friend . The hour is late and the deluison of a love of a harlot has grown great .
MANY now and many more soon will BUY THE LIE that will be THEIR OWN DAMANTION
and have led them to the greatest hour of all out rebellion TO GOD and the LAMB , and his saints .
BUT THEY WILL BLEIEVE it is they who do the WILL OF GOD and we are but haters of humanity , of GOD and his plan
for peace . A massive tribulation hour does build to come against the true saints as well .
ENDURE FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH . for he who loves his life in this world shall lose it
but he who loses his life in this world shall Gain it . REGULATORS and CONTENDERS of the true faith MOUNT UP .
The whore has led her children to the lie and will soon come against the saints
as her law of anti christ and its incl usivity will be enforced upon all BY a powerful AI LED DIGITAL system .
ALL who worship the beast and recieve its mark WILL BE DAMNED .
All who resist will be heavily persecuted and many even killed for the true faith . fear it not . THE LORD
GOD and HIS CHRIST is with the sheep , AS ALWAYS HE HAS BEEN through all ages .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Christ, after casting out the demons from the man sent them into the herd of swine to perish in the waters because the devils besought (pleaded) with Him not to torment them before a certain time.

Matthew 8:28-29 (KJV) And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Matthew 8:30-32 (KJV) And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

The spirit of evil is always seeking whom he may devour.

Matthew 12:43-45 (KJV) When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

With the way you say that they exist only when they have a physical host, how were they able to exist for even a short time after leaving the man and going out to the herd of swine to possess them instead? Loook at Matthew 12:43. It talks about the unclean spirit going out of a man and walking through dry places and so on. So, while it tries to find another host, it still exists. You have said things to indicate that they can't exist outside of a physical host, but they clearly can. And you have said that about spirits in general. But, angels do not have physical hosts. Do you think they do? If not, then don't make a blanket statement as if you're saying that all spirits have physical hosts.

Ephesians 6:11-12 (KJV) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Do you think that the devil, Satan, and the other devils/demons can only scheme against us and work against us if he's in a physical host? If so, what physical host do you think Satan is possessing right now?