Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

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Spiritual Israelite

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Yea! Why would he? His position is nonsensical.
Exactly. But, he thinks we're the bad guys just because we expose the flaws in his false beliefs. The problem is not us. The problem is his extreme pride and stubbornness that is reflected in his unwillingness to acknowledge that he is mistaken and needs to adjust his beliefs accordingly.
 
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Op Note

One thing you note with the promoters of error is that they cannot biblically justify their position and that they end up avoiding the obvious, hurling ad hominem and then running.

On this thread there are multiple clear biblical arguments that have been avoided. The Op stands unrefuted.

I put it to you: that is because it is biblical.
 
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The teaching above promoted by a couple of posters on this board is more in line with modern Liberal atheistic psychology thinking today or established Christadelphianism than biblical Christianity.

The modern psychological model

The modern psychological model views the symptoms described in biblical narratives—such as speaking in multiple voices, exhibiting different personalities, and displaying extreme behavioral changes—as consistent with dissociative identity disorder rather than literal demonic possession.

Christadelphians

Christadelphians do not believe in a supernatural, personal devil, but rather view the "devil" and "Satan" as personifications of sin, evil human nature, and temptation. They interpret these terms to represent the sinful inclinations within individuals, or sometimes a group of people or a political power acting as an opponent. According to this belief, sin originates from within a person's own desires, and the "devil" is not an external being with magical powers, but a metaphorical representation of the struggle against God's will.

The truth!

Do you realize, Satan is not a physical being? He is an angel. He is an invisible spirit. He is a real demonic angelic entity. He is not merely an abstract influence. Even though Satan is an angel of darkness, 2 Corinthians 11:14 tells us that "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Angels are spirits (Hebrews 1:14). Demons are fallen angels. They operate in the invisible realm. Their allegiance is to Satan. When the Bible talks about the activity of the devil, it sometimes includes the phrase “and his angels.” They are depicted as a collective whole. They move and fight as a unitary army. You cannot divide Satan from the fate of his angels. For example, Jesus describes them in Matthew 25:41 as the devil and his angels. Revelation 12:7 describes them as the dragon … and his angels,” and in Revelation 12:9 as that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan … and his angels.”

Job 1:6-7: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

We can see how the demonic host operates as a collective whole.

Demons are fallen angels

Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

2 Peter 2:4 closely correlates: God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Gr. tartaroo], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”

This is talking about angels that sinned at the beginning and therefore fell. Adam and Eve were not angels. They are not held in "everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” God redeemed them. He made an atoning sacrifice for them in the Garden and gave them a righteous covering. Who else is this speaking about than Satan and his demons?

Revelation 12:1-4 shows Satan and his devils being eternally evicted from heaven. Interestingly the demonic angels are depicted as “stars.” It reads: “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon ... And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth.”

In Revelation 12:4, 1/3 of the angels sided with Satan in his rebellion. They sided with him when he fell, and are part of the kingdom of darkness.

Job 38:4-7 tells us, speaking about the beginning of time, “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Revelation 9:1 says: I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the abyss.”

It seems correct to view the flying star in view here as an elect angel. Remember, the key or authority no longer belongs to Satan. He was defeated. Christ and His angels exercise that now within the invisible realm. We exercise it upon the earth.

It is clear that stars are used by John in Revelation as symbols of angels. A falling star is a common easily-recognized natural symbol that is used in a spiritual way here to describe an elect angel descending from heaven before the end of time to open the pit to release Satan and his demons from their restraint in order to restrict the great commission.
Absolutely 100% Two Thumbs Way Up, Good Work!!!

Sad to see RWB is following the heresy
 

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No, they are not the so-called angels.

1st John 4:1
  • "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
And speaking of ministering spirits, we are also warned to beware of what type spirits that come because all are not sent by God. Some are sent by Satan and are merely masquerading as messengers (not angels) who are ministers of light.

2nd Corinthians 11:14-15
  • "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
  • Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
The false messenger who appears as a minister righteousness, a messenger of light, in order to deceive. These are false ministering spirits appearing as true ministering spirits, of which God warns us not to believe every spirit. Try or prove them, and the way to do that is by the word of God! The way not to be deceived is to pay close attention to their authority. Is it the word of God or the words, traditions, and speculations of men?

...but I digress. The messengers who are true ministering spirits are those who are truly sent of God to evangelize. Not your fantasy of celestial created beings.

As for the rest of your post, I won't deal with it because I already covered it. You were just repeating yourself with wrong interpretation.
  1. How can Satan send anything to anyone when you do not attribute personality to him? He is abstract evil in your opinion.
  2. Are Christians possessed by angels?
  3. Are all the wicked demon possessed?
  4. Are evil angels - real spiritual entities distinct to man, is it evil or
 
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  1. How can Satan send anything to anyone when you do not attribute personality to him? He is abstract evil in your opinion.
No, He was an angel of the highest order and fell like Adam did. He has around him his fallen angels and millions of demons. Since you and I have been given the sin nature from Adam, we cannot please GOD unless He changes us.
  1. Are Christians possessed by angels?
No, they are not possessed but simply fallen from the sons of GOD to something not associated with that and are awaiting their judgments as well.
  1. Are all the wicked demon possessed?
That depends of the level of wickedness one is at. There are many who have let a demon come into their body and it does not go well.. You see demons need a body or they are simply spirits of this earth roaming until the final judgement.
  1. Are evil angels - real spiritual entities distinct to man, is it evil or
God made the angels and they are like sands of the sea. No they are not distinct to man but like many they will also receive GOD's wrath.
 

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No, He was an angel of the highest order and fell like Adam did. He has around him his fallen angels and millions of demons. Since you and I have been given the sin nature from Adam, we cannot please GOD unless He changes us.

No, they are not possessed but simply fallen from the sons of GOD to something not associated with that and are awaiting their judgments as well.

That depends of the level of wickedness one is at. There are many who have let a demon come into their body and it does not go well.. You see demons need a body or they are simply spirits of this earth roaming until the final judgement.

God made the angels and they are like sands of the sea. No they are not distinct to man but like many they will also receive GOD's wrath.
Thank you for answering these. You are spot on.

The reason TS and rwb avoid them is because it exposes their heresy.
 

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Once again, I have never said demons/devils/Satan as well as angels of God are not real! What I have said all along is that they exist by working and doing through physical hosts. Yes, I agree this is ridiculous!
Once again, I have never said demons/devils/Satan as well as angels of God are not real! What I have said all along is that they exist by working and doing through physical hosts. Yes, I agree this is ridiculous!

LOL!!!

No, it is YOU who is being deceived by your own false doctrine.

It is YOU who are forcing church tradition and human imagination into the Word of God instead of letting Scripture interpret Scripture. Just because Job 38 speaks about creation does not automatically mean “morning stars” are angelic beings before Adam. That pathetic assumption comes from Sunday school theology, not from the clear testimony of God’s Word. Here is your biblical lesson:

I was reading this today:

Act 1:6 When they (the disciples) therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


Who were these two messengers “in white apparel” that suddenly turned up on the scene at the Lord's ascension to reassure the disciples? Where these some unknown and unnamed hermit prophets?
 
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