Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

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Really?

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Uh huh...
Yes, it was in the city of Antioch that disciples were first called Christians.....BY WHOM?

Please given the VERSE of one Disciple, one man, CALLING HIMSELF, a Christian.


And that the disciples were called Christians ....

You want to run that one by me again?
J.

Which of the disciples called THEMSELVES Christians?

You are presuming, what one CALLS an other is sufficient.
As you were presuming, that YOU could call me having an “issue with saved by grace”.

The Disciples themselves never CALLED themselves Christians.
I myself never SAID I have an issue with saved by grace.

It is ONE dictating a presumption as a fact, upon an other, who has themselves not SAID that.
 

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Yes it is a sin to NOT obey Christ's commands, but those who don't are not Christians. They can't even claim to be. I know the writer is a JW, but personally, I still consider them Christians, even if they, themselves, don't, and I am only speaking for myself.

JW’s are not Christians because they reject the Trinity. A person cannot worship a false god and be saved. That would be false or idol worship. They deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Jesus warned if you do not believe I am he, you will die in your sins. The word “he” is not in the Greek. They deny the person and deity of the Holy Ghost, as well. They deny the bodily resurrection of Christ. They deny the substitutionary atonement of Christ, as well. Again, these are all salvific issues that are very serious. So no. They are not true Christians.
 
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You have heard, seen people saying they are without sin on this forum?
Can you quote them?

Just today this was posted to me Taken:

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Robert Gwin said:
Puzzles the heck out of me, I sin every single day
Why? You obey the lusts of the flesh everyday?

“Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” (John 8:34)

“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)

Obey the scriptures!
 
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This isn't a big deal to me, I was unsure whether to even quote John20:23
However: But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” Mark 2:10
Jesus had authority to tell the disciples that if they, through spiritual discernment of those they would state it to, would forgive anyone their sins, they would be forgiven. If the disciples stated that to someone, through the Holy Spirit's leading , that person would be forgiven their sins. Does that make sense?
Let me tell you what the problem here is @savedbygrace..we are dealing with a bunch of holy Joe's incapable of committing a misdeed, in word, thought and deed, the sin nature somehow miraculously surgically removed, these have attained godhood and you and I are still running a race, these have attained absolute perfection in this life, we await our final redemption, these do not need a Savior that is making intercession in our stead right now in heaven, so is the Holy Spirit.
See the problem?
J.
 
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Let me tell you what the problem here is @savedbygrace..we are dealing with a bunch of holy Joe's incapable of committing a misdeed, in word, thought and deed, the sin nature somehow miraculously surgically removed, these have attained godhood and you and I are still running a race, these have attained absolute perfection in this life, we await our final redemption, these do not need a Savior that is making intercession in our stead right now in heaven, so is the Holy Spirit.
See the problem?
J.
I agree with you entirely, well put
 

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It is not the Ten Commandments that are written on our hearts. They were only for God's people until sin was taken out of them. With sin gone, we do not need commandments that show us our sin.

I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. There are 440 New Testament Commands to my count and not all of them are knowable without actually reading about them in the New Testament.

In fact, here are list of New Testament commands that are called a command:

  1. “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord, and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength: this is the first commandment.” (Mark 12:29-30 gives us the full complete description of the 1st commandment in the Bible).

  2. “And the second is like, namely this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:31).

  3. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (1 John 3:23).

  4. “Repent” (i.e. Seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ) (Acts of the Apostles 17:30 says, “God… now commands all men everywhere to repent”).

  5. A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if you have love one to another (John 13:34-35).

  6. “Watch” (“For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. Watch you therefore: for you know not when the Master of the house comes,...” - See: Mark 13:33-37).

  7. “Honor your father and mother” (God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother - Matthew 15:4, Matthew 19:19, Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20) (Ephesians 6:2-3 says “Honour your father and mother (which is the first commandment attached with a promise).

  8. Tell the women to keep silent in the churches. For it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the law; And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for women to speak in the church (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).

  9. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother who walks disorderly (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

  10. Keep the following commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ: Fight the good fight of faith, and lay hold on eternal life, whereby you are called, and have professed a good profession before many witnesses (1 Timothy 6:12-14).

  11. Keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17) (Note: The young rich ruler asked, which ones (i.e. which commands should he keep); Jesus replied, “Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Matthew 19:18-19) (Jesus also said as a part of these commands, “If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor,” - Matthew 19:21).

You said:
The ten commandments are DO NOT, NOT, NOT
The laws written on our hearts are DO, DO, DO.

But James 3:1 says, “My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shallreceive the greater condemnation.”

Galatians 6:7 says, “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

Luke 12:29 says, “And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink,neither be ye of doubtful mind.”

All of the New Testament commands should be written in our hearts.
 
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JW’s are not Christians because they reject the Trinity.
Are you sitting in the seat of Moshe with your staff saying you may enter and ye may not?
They would say the same of you, O sinless one, you have attained godhood, now you may judge who is worthy or not.
Did you not commit the greatest sin here?
J.
 
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“Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.” (Romans 6:12)
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,.... Since grace reigns in you, sin should not: seeing ye are dead to sin, are baptized into the death of Christ, and are dead with him, and alive through him, sin therefore should not reign in you, and over you.

This exhortation does not suppose a freewill power in man naturally, for this is spoken to persons, who had the Spirit and grace of Christ, and in whom God had wrought both to will and to do of his good pleasure; nor is this exhortation unnecessary to believers, though they are dead to sin, and though God has promised it shall not have the dominion over them, and though reigning sin, as divines say, cannot be in regenerate persons; for though they are entirely dead to sin as justified persons, yet not perfectly so as sanctified: they are indeed dead to sin, but sin is not dead in them; it struggles, it makes war, leads captive, and threatens absolute and universal dominion, wherefore such an exhortation is necessary;

besides, though God has promised that sin shall not have the dominion, yet making use of means, such as prayer to God that it may not, striving against it, opposing it, in order to hinder its dominion, are no ways inconsistent with the promise of God, whose promises often have their accomplishment in the use of means:

moreover, whereas some divines say, that reigning sin may be and others that it cannot be in regenerate persons, it should be observed, that if by reigning sin is meant,...

sinning against God out of malice and contempt, with the whole heart, without any struggle against it, or repentance for it, or so as to lose the grace of God, and never rise more, then it must be said that it cannot be in a regenerate man;

but if by it is meant, falling into sin against their consciences, knowingly and willingly, so as to distress their minds, lose their peace, and grieve the Spirit of God, so as to be held under it, and be led captive by it, such power sin may have in them, and over them; and therefore the exhortation is not needless; and when the apostle says, let it not reign "in your mortal body",

by it is either meant the whole man, or rather the body only, which is the instrument of sinning, and is become mortal through sin; and being so, is a reason why it should not reign in it, since it has done so much mischief to it already: and this also denotes the time of sin's being in us, and of the danger of its reigning in us; it is only whilst we are in this mortal body; and the consideration of our mortality should quicken us to war against sin,

and be careful not to
obey it in the lusts thereof; the lusts of the body, or flesh, which are therefore sometimes called fleshly lusts, are many, and have great power and influence; and may be said to be obeyed, when provision is made to fulfil them, when these are the business of a man's life, and the whole of his conversation is taken up in them, without struggle against them, or opposition to them; and heroin lies the reign of sin.
Gill

Another sinless one
J.
 

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Let me tell you what the problem here is @savedbygrace..we are dealing with a bunch of holy Joe's incapable of committing a misdeed, in word, thought and deed, the sin nature somehow miraculously surgically removed, these have attained godhood and you and I are still running a race, these have attained absolute perfection in this life, we await our final redemption, these do not need a Savior that is making intercession in our stead right now in heaven, so is the Holy Spirit.
See the problem?
J.
Its actually very phariseeical. Quoting the letter rigidly and inferring you perfectly obey it. Two things about the pharisees. They could endlessly quote the letter of the then scriptures, but they did not understand the message contained in the letter they relentlessly quoted, as people do not understand today who have their attitude.
And, the pharisees only cleaned the outside of the cup, not the inside.
 
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Generally it is considered plagiarism if you don’t provide a source link for an article you quote.
I make it a point to quote my resources, since @marks reminded me of that, it slipped my mind on this one.
Don't play coy and sanctimonious here brother.
J.
 

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May I ask is there ever a day goes by that you don't sin Micky?

Yes. (Was erroneously “no” before editing)

Because I observe and do these things:

Matthew 16:24
Proverbs 10:12
Romans 6:12
Romans 13:8
Romans 13:9
Romans 13:10
Galatians 5:16
Galatians 5:24
Philippians 3:8
1 Peter 4:1
 
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Uh huh...
Yes, it was in the city of Antioch that disciples were first called Christians.....BY WHOM?

Please given the VERSE of one Disciple, one man, CALLING HIMSELF, a Christian.




Which of the disciples called THEMSELVES Christians?

You are presuming, what one CALLS an other is sufficient.
As you were presuming, that YOU could call me having an “issue with saved by grace”.

The Disciples themselves never CALLED themselves Christians.
I myself never SAID I have an issue with saved by grace.

It is ONE dictating a presumption as a fact, upon an other, who has themselves not SAID that.
called. Greek. chrematizo. This word occurs nine times. See note on Luk_2:26. Generally of a Divine communication. The noun chrematismos Occurs only in Rom_11:4. Though the name may have been given at first by Gentiles in mockery, the usage of the word by the Holy Spirit indicates that its real origin was Divine.
Christians. Here, Act_26:28. 1Pe_4:16. Compare Act_15:17. Jews could not have given the name, as Christos was a sacred word.
Bullinger.

You are reeling off a lot of words, how can you say the disciples were NOT Christians?
If they were not, I would rather be a disciple.
I don't follow the Messiah for the loaves and fish brother.
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Are you sitting in the seat of Moshe with your staff saying you may enter and ye may not?
They would say the same of you, O sinless one, you have attained godhood, now you may judge who is worthy or not.
Did you not commit the greatest sin here?
J.

I did not write the Bible. God did (2 Timothy 3:16).
If you were to read the Bible more, you would know that you cannot worship false gods and be saved. The Bible also makes it clear that without believing the bodily resurrection of Christ one is still yet in their sins (See: 1 Corinthians 15).
 
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Well, if you were to read the Bible more, you would know that you cannot worship false gods and be saved.
The Bible also makes it clear that without believing the bodily resurrection of Christ one is still yet in their sins (See: 1 Corinthians 15).
JW's deny the bodily Resurrection,Ascension and 2nd Coming of Jesus in the flesh, as a man, a human.
 
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Johann

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No.

Because I observe and do these things:

Matthew 16:24
Proverbs 10:12
Romans 6:12
Romans 13:8
Romans 13:9
Romans 13:10
Galatians 5:16
Galatians 5:24
Philippians 3:8
1 Peter 4:1
I have witnessed a lot of things on forums, but nothing like this.

 
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I have witnessed a lot of things on forums, but nothing like this.

You must be from a Nazarene Church, you and bible highlighter, having received ENTIRED sanctification.
Are you immature yet entirely sanctified?
Reminds me of Wesley.
J.
 
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Johann

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I did not write the Bible. God did (2 Timothy 3:16).
If you were to read the Bible more, you would know that you cannot worship false gods and be saved. The Bible also makes it clear that without believing the bodily resurrection of Christ one is still yet in their sins (See: 1 Corinthians 15).
You are redefining sin brother and listen to this, sums you up perfectly.


Do not insult me by saying read the bible more friend.
J.
 

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Did I say I MUST sin daily?
Since I am not in a STATE of habitual sinning?
Do you see the subtle nuances on words here?
J.

It has nothing to do with "habitual" sinning, with the addition of the word "practice" to the Word of God, making it NOT the power of God to NEVER commit willful sinning, but our own self-effort and willpower. A heresy.
 
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Its actually very phariseeical. Quoting the letter rigidly and inferring you perfectly obey it. Two things about the pharisees. They could endlessly quote the letter of the then scriptures, but they did not understand the message contained in the letter they relentlessly quoted, as people do not understand today who have their attitude.
And, the pharisees only cleaned the outside of the cup, not the inside.
Take time and listen to this @savedbygrace1


Enjoy, we are in safe hands, the everlasting arms of our blessed Lord and great God Christ Jesus.
J.