Scriptural Proof of the Pretrib Rapture

[Davy]

2 Thessalonians 2 does not teach pre-trib rapture.

Try to keep up man!

Oh, I have... been keeping up. The reason I responded to your post #12 the way I did is because you STILL ARE pushing a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE in that 2 Thess.2 chapter.

You said:
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"Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power"
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That last statement in red is especially where you are STILL PUSHING A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. And how is that, you might ask?

The actual TIME of the "great tribulation" Lord Jesus showed, including in His Book of Revelation, will be at the middle of the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 when the coming false one will place the "abomination of desolation". Jesus showed in Matthew 24:15-21 that event is what kicks off the time of "great tribulation", which Revelation shows is to be for 1260 days, or 42 months, i.e., the LATTER half of the Daniel "one week".

Still thinking the rapture will occur at that mid-point is what you are FALSELY PREACHING. That still is a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY, simply because Jesus showed the "great tribulation" doesn't start until the false one places that "abomination of desolation" IDOL in Jerusalem, and that is when he will proclaim himself as God and demand that all bow to him as God.

Thus in essence, you are STILL PUSHING A FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE.

What Jesus showed is a POST-TRIB GATHERING OF HIS CHURCH. That means AFTER... the tribulation like HE said, WHICH YOU DENY!


Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A WHITE-WASHED WALL THAT IS GOING TO COME TUMBLING DOWN AS SOON AS GOD'S RAINS HIT YOU AT THE END. REPENT.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Oh, I have... been keeping up.

You have been keeping up with the confusion that your spirit guides are feeding you not knowing the difference between pre, mid, and end.

Do better!

That last statement in red is especially where you are STILL PUSHING A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY.

You delusion is so noted.

 

[Davy]

You have been keeping up with the confusion that your spirit guides are feeding you not knowing the difference between pre, mid, and end.

I well understanding the timing of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27. No need for me to explain, since I already well know it. But it's apparent YOU DO NOT KNOW IT. Why?

Simply because you believe in a FAKE RAPTURE immediately PRIOR to the START of the "great tribulation". And you well know that IS... what you believe, as that is what you have shown in your previous posts.

So why are you trying to LIE your way out of that?

You wrongly believe in a RAPTURE of the Church PRIOR to the "great tribulation", even though SOMEHOW you think the FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE DOCTRINE means a rapture prior to the symbolic "one week" of 7 years!

No, the Pre-trib Rapture school does NOT all believe that they will be raptured prior to the 7 years of Dan.9:27. They just believe they shall be raptured prior to the "great tribulation". Thus a MID-TRIB belief does not matter, it still is pushing a fake rapture PRIOR to the start of the "great tribulation".

Thanks for being obstinate about this matter, because possibly some brethren who see all this that are stuck on man's false Mid-Trib Rapture theories might now really understand they are just keeping another VERSION of the false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

Now for brethren who might still be confused about when Lord Jesus Christ showed His coming to gather His Church will be, He showed it will be AFTER the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27). Apostle Paul per 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 revealed the SAME timing that Lord Jesus did, after the tribulation, because Paul showed the asleep saints will be resurrected on that day of Christ's coming, and that event Jesus showed will happen on the LAST DAY of this present world (John 6:40). So there is NO EXCUSE for any believer on Christ Jesus to fall away to man's false pre-trib, or even mid-trib, rapture theories.

 

[David in NJ]

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Scriptural Proof of the Pretrib Rapture.
Scriptural proof for the pre-tribulation rapture. Jesus states unequivocally that those believers who have patiently waited for the Lord’s return will be kept from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world. This is a very clear reference to escaping the horrible, 7-year Tribulation Period.
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JESUS unequivocally said that HE would keep the Philadelphia church from the hour of testing= no rapture promised.

Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name.
Those whom You gave Me I have kept and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

pre-trib rapture is a doctrine of demons for the Laodicea churches of today

Those who place their trust in pre-trib will be tested by the Great Tribulation

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

JESUS unequivocally said that HE would keep the Philadelphia church from the hour of testing= no rapture promised.

That portion of scripture says the hours of testing will come upon ALL THE WORLD, so Jesus will be removing them from the world in order to keep them from the hour of testing

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

But by all means, if you want to stay here you can and if this is what you choose to do then you will not be bothered with the Lord recusing His faithful as He'll just leave you behind. Good luck with all that!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So, there is no pre-trib rapture because the rapture happens after the man of sin is revealed and when the man of sin is revealed to the world that is the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.

 

[David in NJ]

That portion of scripture says the hours of testing will come upon ALL THE WORLD, so Jesus will be removing them from the world in order to keep them from the hour of testing

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

But by all means, if you want to stay here you can and if this is what you choose to do then you will not be bothered with the Lord recusing His faithful as He'll just leave you behind. Good luck with all that!

Ok, you and i can both look together at the SAME scriptures.

Can you find where HE promises a rapture to the Philadelphia church - thank you

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Can you find where HE promises a rapture to the Philadelphia church - thank you

I just explained it to you - that portion of scripture says the hour of testing will come upon ALL THE WORLD, so Jesus will be removing them from the world in order to keep them from the hour of testing.

If He left them in the world then they will be under the hour of testing that will come upon ALL THE WORLD and you totally missed 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

 

[David in NJ]

I just explained it to you - that portion of scripture says the hour of testing will come upon ALL THE WORLD, so Jesus will be removing them from the world in order to keep them from the hour of testing.

If He left them in the world then they will be under the hour of testing that will come upon ALL THE WORLD and you totally missed 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

i know what JESUS is saying to the Philadelphia church and why.

#1 - There is no reference to them being raptured or removed from earth = ZERO

#2 - HE does not have to remove them from the earth to KEEP them protected from the evil one.

#3 - JESUS already Said this to us = John 17:9-15

“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You.
Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name.
Those whom You gave Me I have kept and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
I do not pray that You should take them out of the world,
but that You should keep them from the evil one.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

There is no reference to them being raptured or removed from earth = ZERO

The you think Jesus is lying then?

Those that are failthful that keep His Word will in fact experience 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 which is how they will not experience what is coming upon the entire world spoken of in Revelation 3:10 because they won't even be in the world to experience it

You can't just ignore 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 as you are doing

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

Notice the part about "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him"

JESUS already Said this to us = John 17:9-15

You need to rightly divide the Word of Truth, in John 17:9-15 Jesus is speaking about His disciples.

You apparently didn't notice the part where Jesus said "I have kept and none of them is lost except the son of perdition" speaking of Judas which shows His whole prayer is about His disciples.

John 17:5-15
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

 

[Davy]

That portion of scripture says the hours of testing will come upon ALL THE WORLD, so Jesus will be removing them from the world in order to keep them from the hour of testing

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

But by all means, if you want to stay here you can and if this is what you choose to do then you will not be bothered with the Lord recusing His faithful as He'll just leave you behind. Good luck with all that!

To be kept from the "hour of temptation" means NOT BEING TEMPTED, not physical removal.

As I have said before, deceived on man's FALSE 1830's Pre-trib Rapture Theory want to believe it is true so strongly, that they will practically hypnotize themselves into believing it, when the idea is nowhere written in God's Word. That is why they try and turn that phrase above about being kept from "the hour of temptation" to mean their fake rapture theory.


WHAT IS THAT 'HOUR OF TEMPTATION' FAITHFUL BRETHREN IN CHRIST?

That "hour of temptation" is about the coming event when the prophesied false-Messiah shows up in Jerusalem at the end of this world prior to Christ's coming, and that false one will play The Christ, working great signs and wonders, raining fire down to the earth from heaven in the sight of men, i.e., supernatural wonders that many will think only God could do. Thus many will be deceived and think that false-Messiah will be Christ having returned.

Christ's elect who are 'sealed' with God's seal will NOT... be subject to that 'temptation' by that false-Messiah during the coming "great tribulation", (i.e., that "hour").

That... is the idea Lord Jesus is talking about there in Rev.3:10. And how we can know that for certain is EASY, for those who have studied when He already said His coming will be to gather His saints, which will be AFTER that tribulation, as written in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

We know Lord Jesus would not go against His Own Words in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 about the time of His future coming and gathering of His saints being after the tribulation. So to WRONGLY ASSUME that being kept from the "hour of temptation" means a physical rapture of the Church prior to the tribulation would mean Jesus lied back in Matt.24 and Mark 13 when He did no such thing.

Thus all one needs to discern the evil spirits of those deceived on man's false pre-trib rapture theory is to know what your Bible actually says as written, and simply compare. Their words won't stand up to the Measure in God's written Word. And you know what else is funny about those deceived on man's false pre-trib rapture theory? In that Rev.3:10 verse Jesus was commending His elect that KEEP HIS WORD as being one of the reasons why He told them He'd keep them from that "hour of temptation". Are those on man's false pre-trib rapture doing that? NO! for they flat deny what Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 about His coming to gather His saints AFTER the tribulation. (The false pre-trib rapture instead believes Jesus raptures the Church PRIOR to the tribulation, which is the opposite of what Lord Jesus taught.)

 

[David in NJ]

The you think Jesus is lying then?

Those that are failthful that keep His Word will in fact experience 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 which is how they will not experience what is coming upon the entire world spoken of in Revelation 3:10 because they won't even be in the world to experience it

You can't just ignore 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 as you are doing

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

Notice the part about "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him"






You need to rightly divide the Word of Truth, in John 17:9-15 Jesus is speaking about His disciples.

You apparently didn't notice the part where Jesus said "I have kept and none of them is lost except the son of perdition" speaking of Judas which shows His whole prayer is about His disciples.

John 17:5-15
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

2 Thess 2 says the "gathering together" will not come until AFTER the man of sin

Have you forgotten that the same Apostle Paul wrote 1 Thess 4:13-18

JESUS never lied but those who say pre-trib rapture do.

JESUS never said HE would rapture away the Philadelphia church

John 17 JESUS prayed for the disciples and for all who believe on HIM after them.

 

[Hiddenthings]

So, there is no pre-trib rapture because the rapture happens after the man of sin is revealed and when the man of sin is revealed to the world that is the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

*The phrase ”Gathering together”
Strongs 1997 = from 1996; a complete collection; especially a Christian meeting (for worship): -- assembling (gathering) together.
Strongs 1996 = from 1909 and 4863; to collect upon the same place: KJV -- gather (together).

*The phrase ”Falling Away”
Strongs 646 = feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"): KJV -- falling away, forsake.
Strongs 647 = neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of 868; properly, something separative, i.e. (specially) divorce: KJV -- (writing of) divorcement.
Strongs 868 = from 575 and 2476; to remove, i.e. (actively) instigate to revolt; usually (reflexively) to desist, desert, etc.: KJV -- depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

*Same word is translated “forsake” in Acts 21:21 - so this is what the word means: many will forsake the Lord (speaking of those that were Christians but fall away)

Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power

Some claim the word translated “falling away” really means rapture… if that were true, then 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 would say the rapture won't happen until the rapture happens and the anti-christ be revealed which it does NOT say.

Wow!!! Big Boy Johnson quoting strong's numbers! Makes me wonder why you would play so dumb in the Judas thread...maybe it's just a subject you know nothing about?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

JESUS never said HE would rapture away the Philadelphia church

If they are not raptured then that is claiming they are not part of the Body of Christ, the faithful.

2 Thess 2 says the "gathering together" will not come until AFTER the man of sin

I never said the rapture was happening before the man of sin is revealed.

John 17 JESUS prayed for the disciples and for all who believe on HIM after them.

Still does not prove faithful Christians are going thru the great tribulation.

God has a long track record of providing escape from danger for His faithful and this time will be no different as the hour of testing comes upon the ENTIRE world and God's faith will be removed from the Word busy enjoying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven while the earth burns.

Those that insist they will be going thru the great tribulation will be allowed to do so.

Hope that all works out for ya!

 

[David in NJ]

If they are not raptured then that is claiming they are not part of the Body of Christ, the faithful.





I never said the rapture was happening before the man of sin is revealed.






Still does not prove faithful Christians are going thru the great tribulation.

God has a long track record of providing escape from danger for His faithful and this time will be no different as the hour of testing comes upon the ENTIRE world and God's faith will be removed from the Word busy enjoying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven while the earth burns.

Those that insist they will be going thru the great tribulation will be allowed to do so.

Hope that all works out for ya!

Of course the Saints of Philadelphia are included in the Resurrection.

Only those saints whom the FATHER keeps alive unto the 2nd Coming will be in the rapture = 1 Thess 4:13-18

JESUS is the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE = the Ultimate Post-Tribber = please dwell on this

Revelation chapter 7 = the Ultimate Post-Tribbers

Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked;
“who are they, and where have they come from?”

14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason,

“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

See, that's the problem - you are with the U-turn crowd!

You have the Lord doing the rapture at the very end where they meet Him in the air and immediately come right back to earth

This eliminates the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which takes place in Heaven.

So like I was saying, if you want to skip supper with Jesus and stay here the Lord will let ya - according to your faith it'll be done unto you.

 

[David in NJ]

See, that's the problem - you are with the U-turn crowd!

You have the Lord doing the rapture at the very end where they meet Him in the air and immediately come right back to earth

This eliminates the Marriage Supper of the Lamb which takes place in Heaven.

So like I was saying, if you want to skip supper with Jesus and stay here the Lord will let ya - according to your faith it'll be done unto you.

Where does it say in Revelation the "marriage supper" takes place in Heaven

JESUS Says it takes place on earth = Revelation chapter 19

9Then the angel told me to write, “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead,
“Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh, I have... been keeping up. The reason I responded to your post #12 the way I did is because you STILL ARE pushing a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE in that 2 Thess.2 chapter.

You said:
_____________________________________________________________________________________
"Definitions point to the rapture not happening until many who claim to be Christians fall away from the faith, and the anti-christ is revealed

This would mean the traditional pre-trib rapture view could not be correct
where Christians are taken out before the anti-christ is revealed, but instead Christians will be here leading up to the start of the anti-christ coming to power"
____________________________________________________________________________________


That last statement in red is especially where you are STILL PUSHING A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. And how is that, you might ask?

The actual TIME of the "great tribulation" Lord Jesus showed, including in His Book of Revelation, will be at the middle of the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 when the coming false one will place the "abomination of desolation". Jesus showed in Matthew 24:15-21 that event is what kicks off the time of "great tribulation", which Revelation shows is to be for 1260 days, or 42 months, i.e., the LATTER half of the Daniel "one week".

Still thinking the rapture will occur at that mid-point is what you are FALSELY PREACHING. That still is a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY, simply because Jesus showed the "great tribulation" doesn't start until the false one places that "abomination of desolation" IDOL in Jerusalem, and that is when he will proclaim himself as God and demand that all bow to him as God.

Thus in essence, you are STILL PUSHING A FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE.

What Jesus showed is a POST-TRIB GATHERING OF HIS CHURCH. That means AFTER... the tribulation like HE said, WHICH YOU DENY!


Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A WHITE-WASHED WALL THAT IS GOING TO COME TUMBLING DOWN AS SOON AS GOD'S RAINS HIT YOU AT THE END. REPENT.

Glad you picked up on that little diversion