What are your beliefs regarding regular volunteers (unpaid staff) at a church- should they be Christians? should they agree to the beliefs of the church? Can they be living a homosexual/transgender life?
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amigo de christo
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If they are living a homosexual transgender lifestyle . They must be corrected asap .
I know of some EX , notice the word EX homosexuals and a EX transgender or two
Who now SERVE GOD , call their old life SIN and wickedness .
Just like we all once embraced our old man sinful lifestyle .
But now in CHRIST we follow the SPIRIT , not the flesh .
So no . Those who still walk after the flesh must be CORRECTED asap .
Paul never said OH , those who are fornicators , OH let them serve anyway , we all sinners .
HE said if any brother or sister is a fornicator , covetous , etc , Dont even eat with such .
We cannot make exceptions for the dark rainbow or any sin .
ALL sin and all error must be corrected . When paul seen what peter was doing
in the church , He didnt say , OH HEY YALL DONT JUDGE WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES .
HE rebuked peter BEFORE THEM ALL .
THAT IS HOW SIN IS DEALT with , ERROR is dealt with within the church .
And as i said above , we dont make exceptions with CERTIAIN sins just cause they have now become
socially accepted . No . ALL sin and error is to be corrected within the church .
Now have yourself a blessed day .
I know of some EX , notice the word EX homosexuals and a EX transgender or two
Who now SERVE GOD , call their old life SIN and wickedness .
Just like we all once embraced our old man sinful lifestyle .
But now in CHRIST we follow the SPIRIT , not the flesh .
So no . Those who still walk after the flesh must be CORRECTED asap .
Paul never said OH , those who are fornicators , OH let them serve anyway , we all sinners .
HE said if any brother or sister is a fornicator , covetous , etc , Dont even eat with such .
We cannot make exceptions for the dark rainbow or any sin .
ALL sin and all error must be corrected . When paul seen what peter was doing
in the church , He didnt say , OH HEY YALL DONT JUDGE WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES .
HE rebuked peter BEFORE THEM ALL .
THAT IS HOW SIN IS DEALT with , ERROR is dealt with within the church .
And as i said above , we dont make exceptions with CERTIAIN sins just cause they have now become
socially accepted . No . ALL sin and error is to be corrected within the church .
Now have yourself a blessed day .
Does someone's employer - even a church - have the right to to dictate terms about their personal life? Jesus met with all sorts of people who were deemed unsuitable but those are the exact same ones he came to save. What does it say about Jesus if those who run His church lay down personal terms and conditions for its non-Christian voluntary workers. Although i can't think of a reason why a non-Christian would be volunteering in a church environment.
amigo de christo
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So would you have run paul out as not being loving . HE did dictate how christains should live and not live their lives .
They all did dear sister . The church must do so .
Paul even told brethren not to hang out with certain brethren IF said brethren were in a sin .
Paul even wrote and rebuked a church for NOT putting a man out .
Christ met with all , yet corrected any and all error he seen in a person . Even including
the very ones who invited him to dinners . He always spoke the truth and if he saw error he always corrected it .
I suggest its time for the church to do the same . And within our walls , or wherever we meet
if any who calls themselves brethren are in error , FOLLOW the biblical pattern for correction .
Paul wrote to titus , to timothy as well and TOLD them how to run the church and exactly
what to look for in leadership roles . To rebuke those who sin before all that others might also fear .
Paul instructed the CHURCH and its elders too on how to take care of the church . correction and all . I suggest
we do the same . You are loved my dear sister .
amigo de christo
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But the supposed volunteers mentioned in the OP are non Christians. Jesus allowed anybody to come to him - especially sinners. The Church is a place where even the worst of sinners should be able to come and find Jesus and find peace. Some of the Church today seems to think it exists for itself and not for reaching sinners. If we keep sinners at arms length how will will they get to know Jesus and the foregiveness he offers?
I think you are confusing coming to Him and serving in a church role. Yes everyone is welcome to come to church. But I am speaking of taking a role on the prayer team, leading Bible Study, Host/Welcome Team, administrator of data and volunteers and etc.
I look at the life of Jesus, Jesus healed many and told them not to sin. he even told the man in the pool to stop sinning or something worse may happen to him.
Can we have grace for sinners and those still struggling? yes, but that does not mean we allow them to sin and take role to represent the church. What if it were a known adulterer ? OR someone practicing polygamy? or addicted to porn? Or a current thief? Do you allow them to serve as well?
I only know of one sinner (Judas) that was not corrected by Jesus because he was already chosen to be the one to betray Jesus.
My husband and 2 children cleaned our church many years without the benefits of man, but God on the other hand NEVER, failed in his promise to my family!
Sinners NEED to come and hear the word of God and repent and bring forth fruit meet for repentance !
Churches that embrace and appoint ABOMINABLE SINNERS to position in their buildings, affiliations ect., ARE NOT OF GOD!
NO MATTER WHAT DENOMINATION.OP did not state non- christian.
amigo de christo
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Anyone can come into the church . The problem , however is most churches are no longer
even preaching sound doctrine , let alone even trying to correct sins and errors within the Church .
Seeker friendly was and is a disaster . What they did was simply go around
trying to figure out HOW to bring folks into church and keep them in Church .
So when they went with the responses of the people .
That is why sins are not corrected . That is why its so heavy on entertainment
and preaching things that sound good to the carnal side of man .
The church became the world to try and gain the world . That is the problem .
Anyone is free to walk into any church , however that church should be teaching ALL sound doctrine
and correcting sins and errors . IF not it will fall , just like the others who have done this did .
Those working for an organisation, whether paid or not, are representing that organisation to the public and as such should be able to be identified with that organisations principles.
amigo de christo
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Sister , YOU ARE LOVED . march ever onwards in the glorious LORD .
The last time I went into a church building, it was with my grand and it was like I was at a concert.
I love music but in worshipping God I do not like flashing lights and instruments louder than the words. It was like "here God,see us" with all the noise and lights.
Personally, I'm listening for that small still voice. I do however get the DRAW all in. But at the very least, the word must be preached so they may hear the gospel.
I seem to have misunderstood your OP but I would say that it's obvious that in these roles people should be Christians. I thought you were talking about volunteering.
Bob Estey
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How would you define "beliefs of the church"? Does everyone in your church believe the exact same thing about every issue?
Very good question.
I have found even among the members of the same denominations divisions of understanding " what this sayeth the word".
1 CORINTHIANS 14:26
How is it then, brethren? When ye come together every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
" Church" assembly is for the edification of the saints.
Glad you asked. I would say the Core Beliefs:
God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Salvation is only through belief of Jesus as Messiah and Lord.
Sex is for marriage between 1 man and 1 woman. (therefore there are only two genders/sex Man and woman)
etc..
Bob Estey
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Every year the Left adds a new gender, don't they? There must be ten or twenty, now. But I'm with you - I think there are two.
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