Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Wrangler]

Does God reject replacement theology?

Yes. God established an everlasting covenant with Israel in Genesis 17.
7 “I will confirm my covenant with you and your descendants[b] after you, from generation to generation. This is the everlasting covenant: I will always be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 And I will give the entire land of Canaan, where you now live as a foreigner, to you and your descendants. It will be their possession forever, and I will be their God.”

What is your understanding of "everlasting?" What is your understanding of "forever?"

He is the one who abandoned Israel after they committed the ultimate betrayal. (Matt 23:37-39)

Time out. Break Covenant. Not the same thing. God explains our place in his kingdom, grafted in Romans 11 and warns us not to be arrogant about.

14 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles ... if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[c] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. ​

Yet, you are supremely arrogant about it! Let's take a look at your claim of a verse in Matthew 23 that makes God a liar and rescinds his everlasting covenant, shall we? 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Again, a time out. God will not always turn his back to Israel but will show himself again when a certain condition is met, i.e., "until." When I tell my wife that I am not coming home again UNTIL I get something done, that doesn't mean the marriage is over and she's never going to see me again. Obviously, you know this.

God has often rebuked his chosen people, Israel, who are stiff necked, and this verse is no different, which again says nothing like you claim. (BTW, a noticed your penchant for copying and pasting verses and when you don't, like in this instance. When you don't, what you claim is often not actually stated. I think this reveals you KNOW what you claims is not actually what Scripture says. Otherwise, you'd proudly shove it in my face.)

 

[soberxp]

How is allowing them to remain under the curse actually blessing THEM .
That be the real question .
HOW on earth is allowing anyone to beleive a lie , to remain in darkness a BLESSING to them .
No lie is a blessing . The abraham peace accords HAS LIED TO THEM ALL and not only to the jews
but to all religoins . ITS peace is not OF GOD . Its peace is of another and will lead all as one RIGHT TO IT as one man .

Three times in the New Testament Balaam is mentioned—by Peter, by Jude and by John (in the book of Revelation). Peter speaks of false teachers who “have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness” (2Peter 2:15). Jude also talks of false teachers, saying, “Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error” (Jude 11). Then writing to the church at Pergamos, John reproved people who “hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols and by committing sexual immorality” (Revelation 2:14).

They followed Balaam's error, uttering blessings that were really curses.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes. God established an everlasting covenant with Israel in Genesis 17.
7 “I will confirm my covenant with you and your descendants[b] after you, from generation to generation. This is the everlasting covenant: I will always be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 And I will give the entire land of Canaan, where you now live as a foreigner, to you and your descendants. It will be their possession forever, and I will be their God.”

What is your understanding of "everlasting?" What is your understanding of "forever?"


Time out. Break Covenant. Not the same thing. God explains our place in his kingdom, grafted in Romans 11 and warns us not to be arrogant about.

14 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles ... if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[c] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. ​

Yet, you are supremely arrogant about it! Let's take a look at your claim of a verse in Matthew 23 that makes God a liar and rescinds his everlasting covenant, shall we? 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Again, a time out. God will not always turn his back to Israel but will show himself again when a certain condition is met, i.e., "until." When I tell my wife that I am not coming home again UNTIL I get something done, that doesn't mean the marriage is over and she's never going to see me again. Obviously, you know this.

God has often rebuked his chosen people, Israel, who are stiff necked, and this verse is no different, which again says nothing like you claim. (BTW, a noticed your penchant for copying and pasting verses and when you don't, like in this instance. When you don't, what you claim is often not actually stated. I think this reveals you KNOW what you claims is not actually what Scripture says. Otherwise, you'd proudly shove it in my face.)

what is your understanding of blessing .
Cause a lie , allowing one to remain under the curse , under death
and lieing to them is NO BLESSING at all .
Many who beleive this abraham peace accords is a b lessing to israel . ARE DECIEVED .
for within its writings IT HAS LIED TO THEM and all other religions .
IT aint a blessing to LIE and specially the big LIE . you know this lie .
The one that sums up the liar of all lies .
WHO is a liar but he who d enies that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , HE is anti christ .
HELLO abraham peace accords which lied to them and the other religoins
as it does also through its massive interreliious dialagoue
that has plainly stated THAT ALL religoins are serving the same GOD
THAT ALL religoins , WOE WOE WOE for THEY DO DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST , are coming to GOD
in different ways .
THAT the GOD of the christain is NO BETTER than the god of all them other religoins .
SOMEONE BEEN LYING and sadly more and more of even christendom has been BUYING it .
JESUS has been DENIED as the ONLY WAY to GOD and THAT TO BE SAVED YE MUST BELEIVE .
WELL HELLO abraham peace accords , GUESS we know WHO its peace is of , ANTI cHRISTS
leading all to THE BIG ONE .

 

[Marvelloustime]

what is your understanding of blessing .
Cause a lie , allowing one to remain under the curse , under death
and lieing to them is NO BLESSING at all .
Many who beleive this abraham peace accords is a b lessing to israel . ARE DECIEVED .
for within its writings IT HAS LIED TO THEM and all other religions .
IT aint a blessing to LIE and specially the big LIE . you know this lie .
The one that sums up the liar of all lies .
WHO is a liar but he who d enies that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , HE is anti christ .
HELLO abraham peace accords which lied to them and the other religoins
as it does also through its massive interreliious dialagoue
that has plainly stated THAT ALL religoins are serving the same GOD
THAT ALL religoins , WOE WOE WOE for THEY DO DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST , are coming to GOD
in different ways .
THAT the GOD of the christain is NO BETTER than the god of all them other religoins .
SOMEONE BEEN LYING and sadly more and more of even christendom has been BUYING it .
JESUS has been DENIED as the ONLY WAY to GOD and THAT TO BE SAVED YE MUST BELEIVE .
WELL HELLO abraham peace accords , GUESS we know WHO its peace is of , ANTI cHRISTS
leading all to THE BIG ONE .

@amigo de christo

 

[Wrangler]

ambassadors do not meddle in the politics of the nations they are sent to to represent their nations government.

There it is....no back up at all....it’s called obedience...not naivety....like it or not, the Bible is not on your side.
We all have the same test.....who will pass it?

I will pass but am too humble to presume authority to judge you. (But it's not looking too good for you denying Scripture that teaches that God is a warrior, we're made in his image and Jesus commanded us to buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar's).

Your entire anti-government stand goes against the whole of Scripture. In just today's devotional reading in Jeremiah, many nations were called into Judgment. Your claim that God and Jesus has nothing to do with national government is utterly laughable.

My observation that you are naive needs no back up. The whole purpose of ambassadors is to influence (aka, as you put it pejoratively "meddle")! In our exchanges, it's like you have no concept of the practical aspects of life. A friend once described his wife as thinking that money is like water coming out of the faucet; it's always there and there is not one little bit of concern of how it got there, what it takes for it to be available or any reason to use it prudently.

Just watched a couple of vids last night about how Truman and Nixon saved Israel in their time. In Truman's case, in particular, he achieved his Zionist ends through "back door channels." These are ambassadors who facilitate the machinery of State who achieve moral ends that, if made public, would be politically risky. Truman was a few months away from an election and the electorate was weary of international affairs. Same thing in how JFK avoided nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis.

We are ambassadors for Christ, and our primary mission is to "meddle," to influence to reconcile people to God. Yes, at the individual level but Christ commanded us not to baptize on an individual level but to nations. Matthew 28:19 make disciples of all the nations.

 

[Wrangler]

you obviously have no idea about context....sadly

You are projecting again, not putting God's chosen people into context of us being grafted in rather than replacing them.

 

[Wrangler]

You don’t like quotes, do you? Is it because you know you have no defence?

LOL. It's you that has no defense, using the same "words" but speaking a different language.

 

[Wrangler]

That seems to excite you for some reason? Is there some reason why you relish violence

Appeal to Emotion & Ad Homenim. Pretending I have some kind of unhealthy emotional reaction to the truth shows you've lost the argument. Rather than concede how violence is used by God and man through all of history, you try to make it personal.

Just admit that God and man uses violence throughout all of history and this is morally justified and divinely ordained and we can be one our way to other exciting points of discussion.

 

[Triumph1300]

Trump continues to run a war the way he runs everything else: by impulse, threat, spectacle, and fantasy.
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While Rubio publicly insists ground troops will not be necessary, the Pentagon is reportedly considering a buildup that could put more than 17,000 American troops on Iran’s doorstep.

Good luck with that one.

 

[Wrangler]

Trump continues to run a war the way he runs everything else: by impulse, threat, spectacle, and fantasy.
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While Rubio publicly insists ground troops will not be necessary, the Pentagon is reportedly considering a buildup that could put more than 17,000 American troops on Iran’s doorstep.

Good luck with that one.

I look forward to this playing out to God's glory and Trump's greatness. Don't you?

 

[amigo de christo]

Aren't we told that those that bless Israel will also be blessed?
I think GOD knows they haven't, save for Messianics, believe in the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
But, can't ya see, that the fulness of the gentiles is coming nigh? And, THEN the Jews will have another go in accepting "Ha'-ma-'Shiak" "Yah'-uh-'Vays" salvation before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
UNTIL "then?"
I SHALL bless Israel!

JESUS is the example and blessing to both israel and the gentile .
He sent the SON in blessing them by turning them F ROM their inquities .
It aint happening WITHOUT FAITH IN HIM .
So again i ask us all
WHY on earth would any of ever once be connected to the curse and cursing
of the POPE led and trump supported and led ABRAHAM PEACE ACCORDS .
It aint a b lessing but a curse that leads only to their second death as well as the second death of all
them false religoins .
But boy the d evil sure knows how to m ake his curse seem as though its for their blessing and their peace .
And you all expect ME to sit at that table . It aint happening friend .
I point TO JESUS and to the true peace of GOD unto all WHo do beleive on HIM .
For they shall have peace WITH GOD .
As far as this anti christ peace , this fat lie that hollers we all serving the same GOD
and that HIS WILL IS FOR US ALL to be as one UNDER THAT LIE .
OH NO , i aint heeding nor shall i sit and join hands WITH ANY of that mess .
And i do suggest we all DO THE SAME . for t here will be NO PEACE unto the wicked .
Satan is a liar . and a very wise and highly crafity , very subtile one HE IS .

 

[amigo de christo]

I look forward to this playing out to God's glory and Trump's greatness. Don't you?

You spoke of THE G LORY OF GOD .
So lets again talk about this progressive liberal led vatican supported and nar realm and trump supported
ABRAHAM PEACE ACCORDS that so many seem to think is such a b lessing to israel and the world .
YOU spoke of GLORY .
WELL lets see if it GIVETH GOD THE GLORY .
WHO IS THE GLORY OF GOD . JESUS IS . and HECK NO IT DONT HONOR THE SON
so IT DONT GLORIFY or GIVE GLORY TO GOD . ITS all religoins serve the same GOD
GLORIFIES SATAN , NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST .
As far as trumps greatness , Please i know what is in man and it darn sure aint great .
Lets talk about rather THE GREATNESS OF GOD and of CHRIST .

 

[Triumph1300]

I look forward to this playing out to God's glory and Trump's greatness. Don't you?

We all by now that you are a fanatic war monger.
A disgrace to Christianity.
You are under the abuse of a hateful violent blood thirsty war mongering religious system.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We all by now that you are a fanatic war monger.
A disgrace to Christianity.

And you are a "lay down and let satan rule" person?
A disgrace to Christianity.

 

[Triumph1300]

And you are a "lay down and let satan rule" person?
A disgrace to Christianity.

Since when is your name "Wrangler" ?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Since when is your name "Wrangler" ?

I never claimed my name was Wranger?
But, I do like their jeans.

Were you not aware that when you post in a public forum others are free to reply?

If you would like to have a private convo with Wrangler then you should do so by PM and refrain from speaking in the public forum area

 

[Wrangler]

I look forward to this playing out to God's glory and Trump's greatness. Don't you?

We all by now that you are a fanatic war monger.
A disgrace to Christianity.
You are under the abuse of a hateful violent blood thirsty war mongering religious system.

Terrible answer to the question. Your TDS is so severe, you DON’T want this playing out for God’s glory and Trump’s greatness.

 

[Triumph1300]

No Kings in Philadelphia!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I look forward to this playing out to God's glory and Trump's greatness. Don't you?

Trump was the only one to call Iran out for being a total moron in fact and all of the Socialist yellow bellys totaly suport such an Iran to become a total threat to Israel but all Arab Nations around them in fact and also Europe !

No one could be so stupid to let such a Nuclear power Iran loose on the world !

That leadership of Iran has to go ! regardless because they are way out of hand and killing their own people not to mention stand over all tactics ! not to mention they are clearly a Death Cult !

The people of Iran have to stand up and get rid of such Dictators or they will never progress.

The Socialist are clearly in bed with the Drug Lords and Dictators !

Thank God for Trump !

Trump is clearly doing the right thing in exposing such trash and dealing with them !

Socialist just roll over like a mutt to get their belly rubbed, because they clearly lack Virtue ! that's why they support abortion on demand and all forms of depravity sexual Creeps rights ! and clearly Children being groomed to be sexualy depraved brainwashed dolts in the schools !
Clearly Socialism is Anti-Christ ! Socialism is a Cancer !

 

[Triumph1300]

The protests are real.
The war is real.
The casualties are real.
The costs are real, and none of it gets less real because Trump keeps insisting everything is under control.
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No Kings. No war. No more lies.
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Have a great Sunday!