Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

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Then that would have interfered with GOD's plan of salvation in this current slice of eternity, unlike the previous slice of eternity, where and when HE destroyed both heaven AND earth age!
Jeremiah 4:19-eoc(end of chapter)
My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. (Jeramiah seeing the END of the Previous earth and heaven age)
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.
30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.

One may well consider this slice of eternity as "plan-B."
And there is a "plan-C, a plan-D."
Then? The White Throne Judgement!
After which we who are still around shall see what else HE wishes for HIS own good pleasure.
nayhor bear i am not sure if you are aware of this or not . probably you already are . but jus in case
allow me to remind us all of something .
First , what is the title of this post .
Do you realize that the nar realm and many others
NOW BELEIVE THEY LOVE the jews , they are supporting the jews through this peace plan
Through this abraham peace accords idea .
BUT IT IS A LIE . tell me , IF we truly loved the jews and gentiles
WOULD WE HAVE LIED TO THEM
OR WOULD WE HAVE PREACHED THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to them .
THE abraham peace accords LIED TO THEM ALL
just like that interreligious dialgoue does .
CLIAMING the rel;igoins ALL SERVE THE SAME GOD .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . BOTH the mulism and unbelieving jew , MUST REPENT TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
BUT that AINT what this peace plan says , NOR what its interregious dialgoue it selling to all relgions .
THEY SAY ALL religoins DO INDEED serve the same GOD . THEY call GOD A LIAR .
JESUS , the dire need to repent and BELIEVE ON HIM , JUST GOT DENEID
and the LIE WAS SOLD that we all SERVE THE SAME GOD . T HIS IS OF ANTI CHRIST . NOT CHRIST , NOT GOD .
 

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Of course not. But it isn't sinful to be kind and loving toward people of other religions. Jesus was accused of being a friend of sinners because He sat with them.
I said we can be kind . but not in unity with .
And for a real quick reminder about these sinners JESUS did sit with .
THEY HAD ALL COME FOR TO HEAR HIM , they were repentant ones comeing to HEAR HIM .
now the pharisess there , NO THEY WERE ACCUSERS OF HIM .
AND boy were they false too . Cause they said HE dines with sinners and etc
AND YET COULD NOT SEE THEY THEMSELVES were perhaps the worst of all sinners .
YOU know , THE ONE WHO WONT COME TO JESUS BUT RATHER REJECTS and attacks him .
ALL have sinned , THEY DID TOO .
But not all came TO HIM . HUGE difference between a contrite a repentant heart verses a very rebelllious one .
SO , yeah i would rather heed john and JESUs and the apostles
PREACH JESUS
Correct the church
And any who rejects JESUS , shake the dust of ya shoes and leave them to their own .
I kind be kind to anyone . BUT I WONT SIT with unrepentant ones who refuse to repent ,
who use JESUS name to promote sin
SO while being kind , WHICH SURE DOES MEAN WE HAD POINTED THEM TO JESUS ,
is fine . BEING unequally yoked for ANY cuase , BAD NEWS . and do notice
THE cause is all about WORLD PEACE n safety . DING DING , ITS OF THE AGENDA SIST ER . the very one
WE BOTH have been warning aginst . I TOLD YOU ITS EVERYHWERE . OH ITS EVEREYWHERE NOW SISTER .
 

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Of course not. But it isn't sinful to be kind and loving toward people of other religions. Jesus was accused of being a friend of sinners because He sat with them.
and how kind is it to ALLOW the sin of unbelief UPON them other religoins .
HOW kind is it to under the guise of another love , NOT be reminding them of th e dire need
TO REPENT and BELEIVE ON JESUS .
IT AINT KIND and IT AINT THE LOVE OF GOD . always remember that . they are very very crafity sister on how they sell this agenda .
 

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and how kind is it to ALLOW the sin of unbelief UPON them other religoins .
God allows them to choose. I'm not in authority over their mind, body, and spirit to allow or disallow. What God requires of me is to live my faith before them, to shine the light ...to love them. When they behold our love, that's what points them to Christ. If you love Him, and have relationship with Him, they'll see it ... they'll feel it.

I've had someone who was born into the cult to contact me and say, "You have a different spirit. Tell me about the God you serve." What a privilege it was to come alongside her, to be her friend ...and she was my friend. She would've given her life for me. I was able to witness Jesus Christ to her, to love her, to minister to her ....NOT judge her. She was delivered of her "familiars" and she came to Christ!

Brother, don't read something into my words that I didn't say. If I'm friendly, and courteous toward someone who is of another faith, it doesn't mean I'm "allowing" or somehow condoning their beliefs. It just means that I'm not going to push them away by preaching at them. God will open the doors to speak, and give the words to speak ...because HE is drawing them, and preparing their hearts to hear the message.
 
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Don't go to 'church'! Stay home and STUDY the Bible so you don't burn in Hell.
 

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nayhor bear i am not sure if you are aware of this or not . probably you already are . but jus in case
allow me to remind us all of something .
First , what is the title of this post .
Do you realize that the nar realm and many others
NOW BELEIVE THEY LOVE the jews , they are supporting the jews through this peace plan
Through this abraham peace accords idea .
BUT IT IS A LIE . tell me , IF we truly loved the jews and gentiles
WOULD WE HAVE LIED TO THEM
OR WOULD WE HAVE PREACHED THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to them .
THE abraham peace accords LIED TO THEM ALL
just like that interreligious dialgoue does .
CLIAMING the rel;igoins ALL SERVE THE SAME GOD .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . BOTH the mulism and unbelieving jew , MUST REPENT TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
BUT that AINT what this peace plan says , NOR what its interregious dialgoue it selling to all relgions .
THEY SAY ALL religoins DO INDEED serve the same GOD . THEY call GOD A LIAR .
JESUS , the dire need to repent and BELIEVE ON HIM , JUST GOT DENEID
and the LIE WAS SOLD that we all SERVE THE SAME GOD . T HIS IS OF ANTI CHRIST . NOT CHRIST , NOT GOD .
Aren't we told that those that bless Israel will also be blessed?
I think GOD knows they haven't, save for Messianics, believe in the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
But, can't ya see, that the fulness of the gentiles is coming nigh? And, THEN the Jews will have another go in accepting "Ha'-ma-'Shiak" "Yah'-uh-'Vays" salvation before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
UNTIL "then?"
I SHALL bless Israel!
 

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Brother, don't read something into my words that I didn't say. If I'm friendly, and courteous toward someone who is of another faith, it doesn't mean I'm "allowing" or somehow condoning their beliefs. It just means that I'm not going to push them away by preaching at them. God will open the doors to speak, and give the words to speak ...because HE is drawing them, and preparing their hearts to hear the message.
This is such an important point.....”no one can come to the Son unless it is granted by the Father” (John 6:65)....so without an invitation from the Father, no one is going to see past what is on the surface; not looking deeper into the big picture to see why the world is in such a mess and why “Israel” are a major factor in the bloodshed. There is no “Israel” who serves the God of Jesus Christ in this world by bombing the daylights out of their enemies....the “Israel” of today are a political nation like the rest of the world....not a religious one. No Jew today can refer to his recorded lineage, proving his relationship to Abraham, because those records were destroyed along with Jerusalem’s temple in 70 C.E....so no one who claims to be their Messiah will have any proof of his relationship to Father Abraham. That tree was “cut down and thrown into the fire”. (Matt 3:9-10)

They could never in their whole history do as their God commanded, and now as a political entity rather than a religious one, they are as much a “part of the world” as any other nation with violence on their minds and blood on their hands. (Isa 1:15; James 4:4)

We are to be “ambassadors for Christ” (2 Cor 5:18-20) and ambassadors do not meddle in the politics of the nations they are sent to to represent their nations government.

This Scripture should be noted by all those who think that Christians should be engaging in bloodshed....

“All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.” (ESV)

Our approach is to bring people of ALL the nations to Christ with love and without judgment (Matt 24:14)....it is an appeal, not a threat....and that opportunity will be open until God brings an “end” to satan’s rulership by re-establishing his own.
Reconciliation must come from a willing heart, not out of fear of retaliation or complete annihilation.
Egos foment war.....national pride separates people under their political ideologies.....Christians are no longer citizens of the world, but of the Kingdom of God, which will be the only ruling power in existence when God brings the curtain down on this hate filled world....and replaces it with a Kingdom of love.
War mongers are not welcome.
 

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And you are overly-spiritualized. Ever read Ex 15:3? Evil is not going to transform to become good but will be wiped from existence. Is this not your take on the Bible?
I would say he has a spirit ? but it's not of Christ Jesus in fact !

Such are Possessed by a spirit I am sure. the spirit of Socialism as their gods ! to be sure to be sure.
Old goody two shoes always idolise their own pathetic gods !
 

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Aren't we told that those that bless Israel will also be blessed?
I think GOD knows they haven't, save for Messianics, believe in the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
But, can't ya see, that the fulness of the gentiles is coming nigh? And, THEN the Jews will have another go in accepting "Ha'-ma-'Shiak" "Yah'-uh-'Vays" salvation before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
UNTIL "then?"
I SHALL bless Israel!
Israel is in fact the Blessed ! The Saved are Israel in fact !

The State that was called Israel is not worthy of Israel ! but some Jews are worthy of the OT ! and such as they became Christians 2000 years ago. it's the same nowadays, as a worthy Jew can make the grade to become just as the first Christians were all Jews !

But most of the Jews back 2000 years were led astray by so called Jews ? they were Lost !

Real true Christianity is Israel in fact ! not Church denominations, but worthy people ! as Jesus said in such regards. The Saved !

Messianics are clearly not Christians at all in fact ! they have another Jesus.
 

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There is no “Israel” who serves the God of Jesus Christ in this world by bombing the daylights out of their enemies
With all due respect, you don’t know that. However, your claim contradicts Scripture where God uses many nations marshal forces for his purposes.

Sad that you keep using “quotes” in using words in speaking a different language.
 

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Then that would have interfered with GOD's plan of salvation in this current slice of eternity, unlike the previous slice of eternity, where and when HE destroyed both heaven AND earth age!
Jeremiah 4:19-eoc(end of chapter)
My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. (Jeramiah seeing the END of the Previous earth and heaven age)
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.
30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.

One may well consider this slice of eternity as "plan-B."
And there is a "plan-C, a plan-D."
Then? The White Throne Judgement!
After which we who are still around shall see what else HE wishes for HIS own good pleasure.
I think men have formulated a theology around faulty assumptions.
These theologies become so all encompassing, more and more faulty positions are established to attempt to justify them.
 
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This is such an important point.....”no one can come to the Son unless it is granted by the Father” (John 6:65)....so without an invitation from the Father,
True ...and when Jesus was lifted up, He draws all men unto Himself. He stands and knocks on the doors of men's hearts, and those who hear and open the door to Him, He comes in.

John 3:14
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:”


John 12:32
“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.”

Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
 
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Aren't we told that those that bless Israel will also be blessed?
I think GOD knows they haven't, save for Messianics, believe in the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
But, can't ya see, that the fulness of the gentiles is coming nigh? And, THEN the Jews will have another go in accepting "Ha'-ma-'Shiak" "Yah'-uh-'Vays" salvation before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
UNTIL "then?"
I SHALL bless Israel!
 

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Aren't we told that those that bless Israel will also be blessed?
You are trying to bless the wrong “Israel”....

Unless you know what the Bible says about who God defines as “Israel” you won’t know the difference.

I think GOD knows they haven't, save for Messianics, believe in the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
Yes he does...and all too well.
There are “Messianic Jews” and “Jews for Jesus” and other Jewish Messianic believers, who refuse to identify themselves as “Christians”....Jewish pride will not let them. Pride is what got them into trouble in the first place, and their love of money...the most corrupting thing in the hearts of mankind. (1 Tim 6:10)

Messianic Judaism is viewed as a spectrum rather than branches or sects of “Jewish Christians”.
Because there is no central authority, congregations of Messianic Jews can use the same terminology, claim the same identity , but have different beliefs and practices, much like Christendom. Disunity identifies them...

For many it is a hybrid religion, influenced by both religions....who is the “God” caught in the middle?
But, can't ya see, that the fulness of the gentiles is coming nigh?
Yes again....but “the Gentile times” are for a reason....Israel was going to be subjugated under Gentile rule for a fixed period of time....from the time of their exile in Babylon to the present day, as this is when those days end.

What is the “Jerusalem” that was to be trampled on by the nations until that appointed time ended? (Luke 21:24)
Is there more than one Jerusalem? The Bible answers...YES! What difference does it make? A huge one if people are concentrating on the wrong “Jerusalem”.

Hebrews 12:22....
“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect”. (ESV)

This is not an earthly “Jerusalem”....

What was represented by ancient Jerusalem down to the days of Christ’s apostles.?
Jesus’ words in the Sermon on the Mount: “Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, because it is God’s throne; . . . nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.” (Matt 5:34-35)

Down till the year 607 B.C.E., “Jehovah’s throne” used to be there in literal Jerusalem, being a material throne occupied by an anointed royal descendant of David with whom Jehovah made a covenant for an everlasting kingdom in his family line.
In the year 33 C.E., Jesus, the spirit-anointed descendant of King David, rode in a triumphal procession into Jerusalem, but those who occupied positions of authority among the Jews in that city did not want him as King. So, earthly Jerusalem renounced its right to have the Permanent Heir of King David sit upon a royal throne within it. Its Supreme Court, the Sanhedrin, had Jesus Christ put to death just outside the walls of Jerusalem. (Matt 21:1-43)

And, THEN the Jews will have another go in accepting "Ha'-ma-'Shiak" "Yah'-uh-'Vays" salvation before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
UNTIL "then?"
I SHALL bless Israel!
The “Israel” who were to be drawn by God in this ‘time of the end’ were members of ‘spiritual Israel’....”the Israel of God” whom Paul identified as disciples of Jesus Christ. (Gal 6:16)
These began to be gathered in the first century, (who were all Jewish at first, being given first option as Abraham’s descendants) but because the devil filled the world with a counterfeit Christianity very early in their history, members of these anointed Christians were few, many being martyred by the very church who claimed Jesus as their Lord.

Only in the time of the end would God focus on this group again, as they were to be “kings and priests” ruling with Christ in his Kingdom....(Rev20:6) When the rule of God’s Kingdom takes control of earth’s affairs, this group will be already in place, ready to take over that rulership.

Those who want to serve the political nation of Israel today are giving their support to the wrong “Israel”

Rom 9:6-8...
“But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (ESV)

This is not fleshly “Israel”....

Gal 3:23-29...
“Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.” (ESV)

There it is.....as John B said to the Pharisees and Sadducees.....
“And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” (Matt 3:9-10)

When God’s people murdered their own Messiah, God was done with them....being sons by birth wasn’t enough, when they disobeyed God’s commands time and again.....God chose new sons....obedient ones, and adopted them as his own....this is “the Israel of God” (Gal 6:16)

Your support for the political nation of Israel is in vain....literal Jerusalem is no longer a holy city as it is polluted with religious hatred and bloodshed.
 
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With all due respect, you don’t know that. However, your claim contradicts Scripture where God uses many nations marshal forces for his purposes.
If you read the Scriptures and study what they say instead of what you want them to say....you will see that God has not sanctioned a war in Israel since they were subjugated under Gentile rule after they returned from exile in Babylon. They did not have a military force when Jesus walked the earth....and no Christians fought in any armies under Gentile rulers.
The Crusades were fought under Roman rule...for the Roman agenda under the guise of Christianity. It was a fake Christianity and is to this day.

When we get down to “the time of the end” that Daniel wrote about, the so called “Christian” nations had as much blood on their hands as the infidels they were fighting. They were “returning evil for evil” in disobedience to Christ’s teachings. You can call yourself a Christian but that doesn’t make you one....your speech and conduct do. If you have blood on your hands your place in the Kingdom is rejected. Even ancient Israel were given over to their enemies if they fought without divine sanction. (Isa 1:15)

You have no foundation for your claim that Christians can be anything but neutral in the affairs of this world which the Bible clearly states is under satan’s control. (1 John 5:19; Luke 4: 5-7) We are to be “no part” of it...Jesus’ words not mine...quotation marks for emphasis....(John 17:16; 18:36)
Sad that you keep using “quotes” in using words in speaking a different language.
You don’t like quotes, do you? Is it because you know you have no defence?.....I wish you would climb down and just listen Wrangler....you’re so busy trying to justify your chosen position, but none of it is biblically backed and you know it. What you claim is history as you want it to be.....not how it actually was.
 

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And you are overly-spiritualized. Ever read Ex 15:3? Evil is not going to transform to become good but will be wiped from existence. Is this not your take on the Bible?
I cannot believe your ignorance at times Wrangler.....here you go posting a verse, completely out of context to support your God of war....but if you read the chapter before and the verses after it you will see what that was really all about....

Not a single one of God’s people were involved in the 10 plagues or the elimination of Pharaoh’s entire army....it was only Jehovah. He was the one who empowered Moses to part the Red Sea and He was the one who allowed the heart of Pharaoh to become obstinate, to show him who is the only true God.

Can you imagine the scene? Pharaoh’s finest charioteers battling to regain control because God made the wheels fall off....and he hid the Israelites from his view by the pillar of cloud....then he made sure that the whole army was well into the parted sea before he brought the waters crashing down on them....He fought for Israel because his purpose in connection with them, had to be fulfilled.....that was accomplished when Jesus Christ presented himself for baptism in the Jordan River.....

When his own people rejected him, God rejected them....his purpose was accomplished and he chose a new “Israel” to serve him here on earth.

For goodness sake educate yourself before you go throwing Scripture around like a football.....you obviously have no idea about context....sadly, your god of war is the devil disguised as a political leader......and he has blinded you. (2 Cor4:3-5)
 
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Aren't we told that those that bless Israel will also be blessed?
I think GOD knows they haven't, save for Messianics, believe in the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
But, can't ya see, that the fulness of the gentiles is coming nigh? And, THEN the Jews will have another go in accepting "Ha'-ma-'Shiak" "Yah'-uh-'Vays" salvation before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
UNTIL "then?"
I SHALL bless Israel!
How is allowing them to remain under the curse actually blessing THEM .
That be the real question .
HOW on earth is allowing anyone to beleive a lie , to remain in darkness a BLESSING to them .
No lie is a blessing . The abraham peace accords HAS LIED TO THEM ALL and not only to the jews
but to all religoins . ITS peace is not OF GOD . Its peace is of another and will lead all as one RIGHT TO IT as one man .