Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Jack]

Trumps Post:
There will be nothing like it!!! Open the F..... Strait, you crazy b....., or you’ll be living in H...- JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah.”
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Words spoken by a so called "Born Again Christian President" of the United States.
And that sums it up.
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And yet God used Trump to Bless Israel! Trump declared Jerusalem to be the Capitol of Israel! Just a glimpse of things to come!

 

[Jack]

paul once was of israel would later become OF ISRAEL . something i dont think our friend yet realizes .
Paul who was born a jew , would later by the grace of GOD , by the revealing of CHRIST HIMSELF
become a T RUE JEW . something he himself
made pretty clear when he said , A jew is not one outwardly whose circumsiscion is of the flesh
but who is one INWARDLY . now to our friend even paul would have been accused of being anti semtic .
But if you wanna hear something even far scarier than that .
TO our friend jack , JESUS HIMSELF had been accused of being anti semitic . HE who came to save the jews
TO save israel , and later the gentiles
WOULD H AVE BEEN ACCUSED BY JACK of being a hater and anti semitic .

Jesus is the God of Israel and Christians. Christians are not Israel!

 

[amigo de christo]

Trumps Post:
There will be nothing like it!!! Open the F..... Strait, you crazy b....., or you’ll be living in H...- JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah.”
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Words spoken by a so called "Born Again Christian President" of the United States.
And that sums it up.
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ITS BEGINNING to surface . Notice the king of england is very similiar to this too . though their politics
are of a different nature .
THEY ARE CHILDREN OF THE INCLUSIVE ECUMENICAL LIE .
I tried to warn us but folks would not listen .
These men BELIEVE all religions DO serve the same GOD .
its those who appear extremists they gonna target .
And they always gonna use the bad examples too .
but beleive me a bible holding Christ following non conforming christain
WILL SOON be seen as just as dangerous as even ISIS .
this is not what it appears to be at all .
THEIR REAL enemy is not ISIS , t hough yes they make war ag ainst them too .
THE true enemy of the one who works amongst them all
ARE AND IS
THE TRUE CHRISTAIN . THEIR GOAL IS THE SAME AS THE UN . yes EVEN TRUMP , dont let him fool you .
THE DESIRE IS A ONE WORLD GOVT , A ONE WORLD RELIGOIN
OF WHICH THEY CONTROL and its religoin WILL SERVE THEM ALL .
THEY are LYING to us all my friend . and satan is using them all to simply make ready
both sides , and all religoins and peoples for the beast and its system .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus is the God of Israel and Christians. Christians are not Israel!

Ya been duped badly . but its n ot too late jack . its not .
Return to JUST the scriptures to learn for yourself .
DO NOT continue under trump and the nar realm
and dO NOT seek to run to the liberal left either .
THEY ALL BEEN decieved badly . the solution , though both sides of politics has preached it in different ways ,
IS NOT GOING TO COME from the political side
but rather the RELIGIONS and their sid e . BuT OF COURSE it was the plan of the political elites all along .
CAUSE GUESS what this religion and who this religion is gonna serve .
THEM , their agenda . but what they dont know is , TIS REALLY OF SATAN to have made
the entire world ready to the day of its own destruction . to come also with one final push
against the last sheep standing too .
YOU are on the wrong side . THEY ARE ON the wrong side
WE have GOT to return to the scriptures for ourselves . LEARN of CHRIST . learn H IM WELL
and ye shall not be decieved by men any longer .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, Amigo.

a true peace maker of GOD had preached JESUS and the dire need to repent and believe on HIM
NOT this ecumeincal anti christ peace which has omitted the dire need to BELEIVE ON HIM
and has g iven rise to the lie of anti chriset himself who by PEACE shall destroy many .
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY to HAVE PEACE WITH GOD .
AND BELEIVE ME ITS NOT THE ECUMEINCAL PEACE PLAN EITHER . ITS JESUS .

 

[Jack]

Ya been duped badly . but its n ot too late jack . its not .
Return to JUST the scriptures to learn for yourself .
DO NOT continue under trump and the nar realm
and dO NOT seek to run to the liberal left either .
THEY ALL BEEN decieved badly . the solution , though both sides of politics has preached it in different ways ,
IS NOT GOING TO COME from the political side
but rather the RELIGIONS and their sid e . BuT OF COURSE it was the plan of the political elites all along .
CAUSE GUESS what this religion and who this religion is gonna serve .
THEM , their agenda . but what they dont know is , TIS REALLY OF SATAN to have made
the entire world ready to the day of its own destruction . to come also with one final push
against the last sheep standing too .
YOU are on the wrong side . THEY ARE ON the wrong side
WE have GOT to return to the scriptures for ourselves . LEARN of CHRIST . learn H IM WELL
and ye shall not be decieved by men any longer .

No Scripture?

 

[amigo de christo]

God has used Trump to BLESS Israel. Is that what upsets you? If so, you're REALLY gonna be upset soon.

Trump does not bless israel . Nor will that ecumeincal interfaith peace plan
that both THE LEFT AND RIGHT , in different ways , PUSH UNTO THIS PEOPLE and the world .
THAT AINT NO BLESSING AT ALL , ITS A CURSE .

 

[Jack]

Trump does not bless israel .

He already did. Jerusalem is now the Capital of Israel, where Jesus will return.

Nor will that ecumeincal interfaith peace plan
that both THE LEFT AND RIGHT , in different ways , PUSH UNTO THIS PEOPLE and the world .
THAT AINT NO BLESSING AT ALL , ITS A CURSE .

 

[amigo de christo]

No Scripture?

If you think ecuemincal interfaith interrelgious dialagoue supports scripture , what on earth can i do for you .
This is all a smoke screen . You just wait
TRUMP and this nar realm is ready to do exactly what i warned you all it was going to do .
Just like the king of england too has been hinting at .
Just like the vatican has long been saying
just like more and more of the leaders of false religoins are now saying .
THEY gonna merge us dude . and folks gonna think its the will of GOD for peace too .
And that we all serving the same GOD .
JUST wait . Trump pretty much slipped it out . With his cry of allah . WHAT YA THINK
his family is all about that interfaith junk , Even intefaith marriages . WE BEEN DUPED jack .
TRUMP is not here to save the world
ANYMORE than was the popes
or any other in them poltiical realms .
FRIEND they are here TO DECIEVE US ALL . CURSED IS THE MAN whose hope be in WHO , in what
OH YEAH IN MAN . they got ya .
BUT blessed is the man whose hope was and is IN GOD . learn that real fast
cause both sides can cliam their men are of GOD and in truth THEY ARE NOT OF GOD .

 

[Jack]

If you think ecuemincal interfaith interrelgious dialagoue supports scripture , what on earth can i do for you .
This is all a smoke screen . You just wait
TRUMP and this nar realm is ready to do exactly what i warned you all it was going to do .
Just like the king of england too has been hinting at .
Just like the vatican has long been saying
just like more and more of the leaders of false religoins are now saying .
THEY gonna merge us dude . and folks gonna think its the will of GOD for peace too .
And that we all serving the same GOD .
JUST wait . Trump pretty much slipped it out . With his cry of allah . WHAT YA THINK
his family is all about that interfaith junk , Even intefaith marriages . WE BEEN DUPED jack .
TRUMP is not here to save the world
ANYMORE than was the popes
or any other in them poltiical realms .
FRIEND they are here TO DECIEVE US ALL . CURSED IS THE MAN whose hope be in WHO , in what
OH YEAH IN MAN . they got ya .
BUT blessed is the man whose hope was and is IN GOD . learn that real fast
cause both sides can cliam their men are of GOD and in truth THEY ARE NOT OF GOD .

I don't trust Trump, but God can use almost any evil person to bless others, and He did. Musk BLESSED Israel's military! God raised Israel from the dead and will defend Israel until Jesus returns!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Why are you OBSESSED against Israel???

Not even one tiny bit. I am against murder, corruption, child trafficking, and satanic/false god worship. We should be bringing Christ to the Jews .....AND the fake Jews ....and Gentiles, etc, etc. Why are you obsessed with supporting genocides and child trafficking and calling that godly?

 

[Lizbeth]

No it isn't!

Rom 2:28-29

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

2Co 5:16

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is the God of Israel and Christians. Christians are not Israel!

Those who subscribe to Replacement Theology won’t like that.

 

[Wrangler]

No Scripture?

IDOLATORS don’t need no stink’in Scripture - they got their manmade doctrines!

 

[Wrangler]

I don't trust Trump

I trust Trump as much as any man, not as we trust in God or Jesus or Angelic messengers, but as we functionally trust in any man who has proven to be trustworthy in his area.

For instance, I trust the local shop keeper to open and stay open at the appointed times. Same with a friend who said he’d come over for the BBQ at the appointed time. Of course, there could be exceptions.

One was dear friends has problem with their dog who ended up needing surgery. As I recall, they arrived 45 minutes later than originally planned. Does this mean my trust in them is destroyed? No.

The Strawman argument to suppose we ought to have absolute trust in any human being in order to support Israel is absurd!

 

[Marvelloustime]

If you think ecuemincal interfaith interrelgious dialagoue supports scripture , what on earth can i do for you .
This is all a smoke screen . You just wait
TRUMP and this nar realm is ready to do exactly what i warned you all it was going to do .
Just like the king of england too has been hinting at .
Just like the vatican has long been saying
just like more and more of the leaders of false religoins are now saying .
THEY gonna merge us dude . and folks gonna think its the will of GOD for peace too .
And that we all serving the same GOD .
JUST wait . Trump pretty much slipped it out . With his cry of allah . WHAT YA THINK
his family is all about that interfaith junk , Even intefaith marriages . WE BEEN DUPED jack .
TRUMP is not here to save the world
ANYMORE than was the popes
or any other in them poltiical realms .
FRIEND they are here TO DECIEVE US ALL . CURSED IS THE MAN whose hope be in WHO , in what
OH YEAH IN MAN . they got ya .
BUT blessed is the man whose hope was and is IN GOD . learn that real fast
cause both sides can cliam their men are of GOD and in truth THEY ARE NOT OF GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Ya been duped badly . but its n ot too late jack . its not .
Return to JUST the scriptures to learn for yourself .
DO NOT continue under trump and the nar realm
and dO NOT seek to run to the liberal left either .
THEY ALL BEEN decieved badly . the solution , though both sides of politics has preached it in different ways ,
IS NOT GOING TO COME from the political side
but rather the RELIGIONS and their sid e . BuT OF COURSE it was the plan of the political elites all along .
CAUSE GUESS what this religion and who this religion is gonna serve .
THEM , their agenda . but what they dont know is , TIS REALLY OF SATAN to have made
the entire world ready to the day of its own destruction . to come also with one final push
against the last sheep standing too .
YOU are on the wrong side . THEY ARE ON the wrong side
WE have GOT to return to the scriptures for ourselves . LEARN of CHRIST . learn H IM WELL
and ye shall not be decieved by men any longer .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

go ahead and read all of what i wrote . YOU will see i do agree. its not the children of the flesh who are of ISRAEL at all .
ITS SIMPLY THOSE , the BORN AGAIN WHOSE FAITH BE IN JESUS CHRIST who are of ISRAEL
who are THE TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Aunty Jane]

Agreed. I see that idolatry with @Aunty Jane where she claims only military action explicitly commanded by God - as in the OT -is permissible despite NT verse saying where there is freedom, there is the spirit of the Lord, etc.

Like all freedoms given to man, God is the one who sets the limits. There was freedom in the garden of Eden too, but it was conditional.....you apparently want freedom to be unconditional to the point where your will can dictate to God.....sorry, but your assumed position will come to disappointment....wait and see.

She just scoffs when I point out Scripture does not say to use the internet but she does. Scripture doesn’t say to brush her teeth, but she does. This shows she picks and chooses how rigidly to only do what God explicitly commands.

I can’t believe you said that.....this kind of reasoning is extremely immature, (grasping at straws) but not unexpected from someone with an agenda to support....did you read @soberxp’s post as you said you would?
Again if you did, you have ignored all the evidence that demolished your arguments for bloodshed.....OR you simply dismissed them as irrelevant.....not surprising either way. Blind justification works for people who want to dictate the terms of their “Christianity” to God. (Quotation marks for emphasis)

What is especially vexing for a group that calls themselves Jehovah Witnesses, deny modern day saints who witness and testify to God’s Providence and direction in modern times. That’s extreme idolatry, to hold parchment over the living God!

On the contrary, we acknowledge the true “saints” that the Bible speaks about.....not the ones with blood on their hands, but those whose blood is on the hands of others who want to justify their bloodshed. What do you think a martyr is?

That “parchment” is FROM “the living God”.....it’s his instruction manual....and if his instructions are not followed, he has no place for the disobedient ones who think they know better that he does. (Matt 7:21-23)

To compare to my own testimony; the Spirit of God commanded me to give a warning to my doctor ahead of his missionary trip to Haiti. I could restrain myself in rationalizing nothing like this is stated in Scripture. Instead, I obeyed the Living God even though doing this is not in Scripture.

Oh, so now we see the root of the problem....personal experience with the Holy Spirit.....?
No consideration for all the millions who claim similar experiences but can never understand how the devil uses these ‘supernatural’ ways to convince those people that God is using them as an instrument for good, even though so many others claim the same kinds of experiences......there is no proof that these experiences are from the true God, but the deceiver is “the god of this world”...remember? He can “blind minds”, not just eyes. (2 Cor 4:3-4)
He also disguises himself as something he is not....

“...for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15  It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.” (2 Cor 11:14-15)

Do you see that their ”works” will betray them.....they will go against what God’s word says in order to carry out their own misguided will......as you will soon see...that is a big mistake.

“Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap; 8  because the one sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but the one sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit. 9  So let us not give up in doing what is fine, for in due time we will reap if we do not tire out. 10  So, then, as long as we have the opportunity, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith.” (Gal 6:7-10)

Doing good, for Christians, does not relate to the use of carnal weapons.

“Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18  If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19  Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20  But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21  Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.” (Rom 12:17-21)

In pointing to victims of deception, are you in fact one yourself?
God’s spirit does not override his word, nor does it contradict it.

The Bible tells us all we need to know....but if you can’t be told....so be it.
Argue with the Scriptures Wrangler....not me.

 

[Wrangler]

did you read @soberxp’s post as you said you would?

I said if I had time! I got better things to do … At ER for wife. Sobe’s posts weren’t even directed to me.

You lost the argument. Having someone else repeat it, doesn’t change the fact.