Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[Wrangler]

So what? God stands with the children and oppressed.

God stands with the oppressed Israeli's - oppressed by Islamic Jihadi's on all sides.

 

[Wrangler]

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[Behold]

Challenge in Gaza with Hamas's underground tunnels is unique - expert​

Tunnel network includes 1,300 tunnels, spanning approximately 500 kilometers in total, with some of the tunnels located up to 70 meters underground.​

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A fighter from the Izz el-Deen al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’ armed wing, is seen inside an underground tunnel, in Gaza, August 18, 2014.

Military experts argue that the tunnel network constructed by Hamas is expected to pose one of the greatest challenges for the IDF if there were to be a ground invasion into the Gaza Strip. Apart from the underground facility network of North Korea, Hamas operates what is estimated to be the world's largest tunnel network.

John Spencer, head of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute of the United States Military Academy at West Point, stated that the "challenge in Gaza with underground tunnels is unique."

In an article published a few days ago, Spencer, a former officer in the US Army, added that the vast and expanding tunnel network is a problem that has "no perfect solution and awaits the Israeli ground forces."

Estimates suggest that the tunnel network includes 1,300 tunnels, spanning approximately 500 kilometers in total, with some of the tunnels located up to 70 meters underground.

According to reports, most of these tunnels are merely two meters high and two meters wide. Experts believe that the captives Hamas took during the terrorist attack on Israel on October 7 might be held within these tunnels, potentially used as storage places for weapons, food, water, and fuel.

Researchers who have previously investigated Hamas's tunnel network think that some of the organization's leaders are positioned within these tunnels.

A Palestinian boy walks in a tunnel as he takes part in a military exercise graduation ceremony at a summer camp organised by Hamas's armed wing, east of Gaza City July 22, 2016 (credit: REUTERS/MOHAMMED SALEM)

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The tunnels in the Gaza Strip were initially designed to smuggle goods into and out of the coastal enclave and Egypt, but over time, due to increased Israeli aerial surveillance through drones and other electronic espionage equipment, Hamas began to expand the tunnel network. However, the IDF only realized the danger and complexity of these tunnels following the military operation in Gaza in 2014.

As a result, the Israeli government began constructing an underground barrier along the Gaza Strip border to prevent infiltration through tunnels. Experts say it's difficult to locate the tunnels as they might be built beneath various structures, but there are different ways to identify them, such as using ground-penetrating radar and techniques to measure magnetic, thermal, and acoustic fingerprints. However, most of these tunnels are revealed through human intelligence, according to a 2017 conference by the RAND Research Center on the subject.

Experts say these tunnels can be bombed while Israel possesses what are known as "bunker-buster bombs" designed to penetrate underground. However, considering that the length of the Gaza Strip is about 40 km, its width between 6 and 14 km, and its population is around 2.2 million inhabitants (making the Strip one of the most densely populated areas in the world), it is difficult to facilitate this option even if Israel determines the locations of the tunnels.

According to researchers at the RAND Corporation, Israel has used what's called "precision-guided munitions" in the past to close these tunnels.
IDF soldiers were previously only allowed to enter tunnels after being secured by special teams.

 

[bluedragon]

Bull .....Israel was attacked intentionally. You choose to ignore that and make up excuses. Palestinians were given a deadline to vacate. Military targets are being chosen and destroyed. Israel follows the International rules of war ...Hamas does not ...yet you weep for the demons from hell ....I know for a fact that your excuses for these criminals makes you as guilty of sin as those committing the sin........

Debating an anti Semitic poster that intentionally ignores history sides with terrorist is a joke ... Gaza was handed to the Palestinians. As their government, they in turn elected terrorists. The terrorists elected to steal from the offers of Israel to increase water and power systems to the Palestinian People.

Palestinians will eventually realize they are in need of voting for a new government.

 

[Wrangler]

Debating an anti Semitic poster that intentionally ignores history sides with terrorist is a joke

More of an Islamic Jihadist of propaganda.

 

[dad]

I figured non-civilians would mean nothing to you, just piles of meat, right?

No, war is hell. But when armies are involved it beats bombing babies. That is the issue here, civilians. That seems to be the difference between a terrorist outfit and a military of a nation, no?

This is why things can't get resolved and fighting continues in gaza, west bank, etc. Its their covenant to do so.

The toddlers have covenants?

Unless this charter is changed to allow Israel the right to exist.

Babies have charters?

"1968 charter (the Palestine National Charter, or Covenant) the PLO basic principles and goals, the most important of which were the right to an independent state, the total liberation of Palestine, and the destruction of the State of Israel".

Did you know Egypt controlled the gaza strip from 47 to 67?

No I didn't know. Now they can hardly get aid in

 

[dad]

Poisoning The Well.

Do you acknowledge that Israel has the right to exist?

Legally, I think they are a nation, no? God didn't bring them back yet if that's what you mean.

 

[dad]

For some reason, you want to pretend the innocent Palestinians are staying in a war zone for some reason OTHER than the terrorists are not allowing them

I am not sure we know the secret reasons people have for doing things? Maybe some thought that fleeing convoys being attacked was a clue not to go? Maybe some were so poor it was not really possible with all their little kids and sick family etc? Maybe some figure the whole thing is being bombed anyhow why move? etc As I mentioned earlier if Iran or someone said that all people in the half of Israel north of Jerusalem must leave immediately or be considered terrorists would they leave? You don't get to call a million people accomplices to terror if they don't obey your latest little terror message!

to leave. Not once have you acknowledged that terrorists tactic is to use human shields.

So, you fall for the terrorist propaganda.

Why would I doubt evil terrorists would do evil things?

 

[dad]

Such is war. Do you tell Hamas they ought to abandon their violent ways since the consequences are bad for their civilian population?

No but Hamas is not considered to have done war when they attacked civilians in Israel are they? It was terrorism. So, when you attack civilians in Gaza, that is..?

 

[dad]

God stands with the oppressed Israeli's - oppressed by Islamic Jihadi's on all sides.

Amen. Not with the proud terror response though from the heathen government there.

 

[dad]

For you @dad

Sign the Petition for Prayer!

Your commitment to stand with and pray for Israel is needed! The Middle East is again experiencing great turmoil: death, destruction, and hatred abound. The problems are many while solutions seem unattainable. We believe it's important to commit to stand with and pray for Israel. Our friends atI

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It would be wrong to pray for what Israel is doing. Now if the petition was more like this, I would sign it in a heartbeat --

'We pray for the children and civilians on both sides. We pray for the salvation of Israel that you turn their hearts to Jesus so that you can restore them to the land you promised. We thank you that you will save them one day, and pray for your mercy in the terrible time ahead for Israel since they will not do so now. We also pray for the salvation Of the peoples of Palestine that you lead them to Jesus and have mercy on the innocents that will die in the terror going on without a chance to know you. We thank you that you are coming soon for your Own to take us up in the air to be forever with you and away from the final wrath coming on earth to deal with the wickedness and rebellion of men' Amen

 

[bluedragon]

I am not sure we know the secret reasons people have for doing things? Maybe some thought that fleeing convoys being attacked was a clue not to go? Maybe some were so poor it was not really possible with all their little kids and sick family etc? Maybe some figure the whole thing is being bombed anyhow why move? etc As I mentioned earlier if Iran or someone said that all people in the half of Israel north of Jerusalem must leave immediately or be considered terrorists would they leave? You don't get to call a million people accomplices to terror if they don't obey your latest little terror message!

Why would I doubt evil terrorists would do evil things?

Hamas told them not to leave .......Too bad you are gullible or uninformed enough to believe the lies by Hamas ....

 

[bluedragon]

It would be wrong to pray for what Israel is doing. Now if the petition was more like this, I would sign it in a heartbeat --

'We pray for the children and civilians on both sides. We pray for the salvation of Israel that you turn their hearts to Jesus so that you can restore them to the land you promised. We thank you that you will save them one day, and pray for your mercy in the terrible time ahead for Israel since they will not do so now. We also pray for the salvation Of the peoples of Palestine that you lead them to Jesus and have mercy on the innocents that will die in the terror going on without a chance to know you. We thank you that you are coming soon for your Own to take us up in the air to be forever with you and away from the final wrath coming on earth to deal with the wickedness and rebellion of men' Amen

It's wrong to believe the lies by the Hamas and the Press ....

 

[bluedragon]

No but Hamas is not considered to have done war when they attacked civilians in Israel are they? It was terrorism. So, when you attack civilians in Gaza, that is..?

Hamas is a Government. A government elected by Palestine ..The conducted an act of war by invasion ......Game on and, by the way, stop the excuses for hatred for Jews .....

 

[Wrangler]

Do you acknowledge that Israel has the right to exist?

Legally, I think they are a nation, no? God didn't bring them back yet if that's what you mean.

Dead give away you are dealing with an Anti-Semite; the inability to simply answer this question in the affirmative.

 

[Wrangler]

It would be wrong to pray for what Israel is doing.

Self defense is not wrong.

 

[dad]

Hamas told them not to leave .......Too bad you are gullible or uninformed enough to believe the lies by Hamas ....

Right and Israel told them to leave. Maybe relatives suggested one or the other option as well. They are not worthy of death for not doing one or the other. Since the convoys fleeing were attacked what does that tell them?

 

[dad]

It's wrong to believe the lies by the Hamas and the Press ....

That is your response to the prayer??

 

[dad]

Hamas is a Government. A government elected by Palestine ..The conducted an act of war by invasion ......Game on and, by the way, stop the excuses for hatred for Jews .....

Toddlers hate Jews? Stop the excuses for slaughtering them

 

[dad]

Dead give away you are dealing with an Anti-Semite; the inability to simply answer this question in the affirmative.

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Might I ask you if Palestinians have a right to their lands back? Yes, or no? Sorry if it is news to you that the only so called rights Israel has are the same rights other nations have in the world's legal opinion. It is not anti semite to comprehend that God is not behind terrorism and did not restore unbelieving Israel to the land yet.