Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Lizbeth]

I think its common to believe spiritual perfection as a standard is discouraging.

I was always way more discouraged in believing we just had to remain in a perpetual state of sin management. When I was guilty, I would turn to major Christian speakers.

They said, "Rest in the finished work of the cross." I did. I just sinned worse. So I was in a cycle, thinking I just wasn't resting the right way.

Thankfully Scripture doesn't say that. It says to look for the way out of temptation. It says to transform your mind. It says make no provision for the flesh. It says purify yourSELF. *Strive* to enter through the narrow gate. Strive, resist, make every effort. Oh my gosh. Effort? What about "resting in the finished work of the cross"?

Not in the Bible.

It's one of those paradoxes of scripture I believe. We do have our part and price to pay.....Hebrews 4 says "let us labour therefore to enter into that rest". And yet at the same time, it says "we who believe HAVE entered His rest" (but I believe these things are speaking at the same time of a deeper or perhaps more complete level of rest that "remains" for us to enter into). In my mind I think in terms of it being a matter of consecration, consecration of our lives to the Lord....our entire life laid on the altar as a whole burnt offering, offered back to God, to become a living sacrifice and wholly ruled by Him. (Perhaps others may think of it in different terms though, I'm not sure.) I used to think or assume I already was, doing all I knew to do as far as I could, but came to see (by His light) that I'm really still kind of choosing what parts of my life to offer Him at any given time, which means I'm really still ruling it.

In terms of bridal imagery of scripture as I see it: we are in a state of betrothal, so our lives still really belong to us in a limited way, though we are promised and set apart for the Bridegroom.....but the wedding is when we offer ourselves to the Lord to be wholly possessed by Him. And then it will truly or wholly/completely be "no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me."

 

[amigo de christo]

Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus

What does it mean?

Answer is in the previous verses.

Matt 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.

Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

Context shows that following Jesus means be ready to die for Jesus if the situation requires so. And don't deny Christ like Peter when his life was in danger.

Who of you have calculated the costs, who of you knows himself well enough to say, I will die for Jesus.

The LORD is my helper and i shall not fear what man can do to me . The LORD is our helper and let none fear
what man can do . Yes indeed count the cost .

 

[Lizbeth]

If we could we would NOT need the Saviour.

We need to consider, what is He saving us to? And as it is HIS "perfection" that we would be walking/living in, we still will always need Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's one of those paradoxes of scripture I believe. We do have our part and price to pay.....Hebrews 4 says "let us labour therefore to enter into that rest". And yet at the same time, it says "we who believe HAVE entered His rest" (but I believe these things are speaking at the same time of a deeper or perhaps more complete level of rest that "remains" for us to enter into). In my mind I think in terms of it being a matter of consecration, consecration of our lives to the Lord....our entire life laid on the altar as a whole burnt offering, offered back to God, to become a living sacrifice and wholly ruled by Him. (Perhaps others may think of it in different terms though, I'm not sure.) I used to think or assume I already was, doing all I knew to do as far as I could, but came to see (by His light) that I'm really still kind of choosing what parts of my life to offer Him at any given time, which means I'm really still ruling it.

In terms of bridal imagery of scripture as I see it: we are in a state of betrothal, so our lives still really belong to us in a limited way, though we are promised and set apart for the Bridegroom.....but the wedding is when we offer ourselves to the Lord to be wholly possessed by Him. And then it will truly or wholly/completely be "no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me."

For you are not your own you have been bought with a price .
To the Lord we owe all . This thing i do forgetting what is behind , let none look back . Look only to Christ
and have all hope in Him . For here we have no continuing city but we seek one to Come .
Though in Spirit we have indeed come unto the heavenly city . We are s eated in heavenly places
as we now walk our pilgramige , as s trangers but looking ever forward to the Promise of His coming .
Praises with all thanksgivings are due the LORD .
Let none who name the name of Christ set their affections and hopes upon the earthern or on man .
Seek the heavenly and have all hope and trust and affections above on the LORD .
For we are dead and our LIFE is hid in HIM . OH but when HE shall appear .................. then shall we appear with Him in GLORY .
The HOMELAND in new heavens and new earth and new glorified bodies , forever with The LORD .
Now to the trenches for the hour is very late and the delusion has grown .

 

[amigo de christo]

yes!

sadly some preach if we do not. we will not go to heaven.

To many want to pat themselves on the back

And what is the greatest ego of all
The ego that puts HIC and preaches an inclusive and false love .
A love that indeed has omitted the very dire need to even have had to have believed on JESUS .
And while its true , some do love to be seen of men
It is also true that many simply have no real desire to depart from the sin they love
and had rather feel accepted IN such sin .
Many do not like the grave reminders
because many love something that ought never have been loved , their sin and their life in this world .
And this is why many have put their hopes also into men who can promise them peace n safety
and show them such an anti christ dialgoue on how to attain such peace n safety .
HE who loves his life in this world WILL LOSE it .
But he who loses His life for JESUS sake shall indeed find it .
And the time and hour for all to abandon hope in men , IS NOW
and let all hope be IN GOD and IN HIS CHRIST . Now on those feet peoples .

 

[amigo de christo]

We need to consider, what is He saving us to? And as it is HIS "perfection" that we would be walking/living in, we still will always need Him.

and what we have been FREED , aka saved FROM .
Many no l onger believe they have been purged from sin .
SEEING THEY SO FREELY love TO SIN .
They have been given over to a grace , a love , a mercy
that is not of GOD nor will it ever once honor THE SON .
Any grace , any love , any mercy
that rather than correcting sin and error , calls sin and error fine . IS NOT OF GOD .
Any grace , any love , any mercy that omits the DIRE ABSOLUTE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUs . IS NOT OF GOD .
Any grace , any love , any mercy that rather than correcting sin allows sin to remain , IS NOT OF GOD .
And any mercy , any grace , any love that turns The CHRIST of GOD , THUS GOD into a minstir of sin and unbelief
IS NOT OF GOD .
ITS the devil in wool simply feeding those who love the flesh the desires they so love . And that is their sin
and their life they love IN this world . But he is a liar . And what is His Desire
That all burn with him in the lake of fire .

 

[Marvelloustime]

and what we have been FREED , aka saved FROM .
Many no l onger believe they have been purged from sin .
SEEING THEY SO FREELY love TO SIN .
They have been given over to a grace , a love , a mercy
that is not of GOD nor will it ever once honor THE SON .
Any grace , any love , any mercy
that rather than correcting sin and error , calls sin and error fine . IS NOT OF GOD .
Any grace , any love , any mercy that omits the DIRE ABSOLUTE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUs . IS NOT OF GOD .
Any grace , any love , any mercy that rather than correcting sin allows sin to remain , IS NOT OF GOD .
And any mercy , any grace , any love that turns The CHRIST of GOD , THUS GOD into a minstir of sin and unbelief
IS NOT OF GOD .
ITS the devil in wool simply feeding those who love the flesh the desires they so love . And that is their sin
and their life they love IN this world . But he is a liar . And what is His Desire
That all burn with him in the lake of fire .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

The expectation of compulsary giving to support building funds and pastors salaries is what Ive come to associate with tithing. But if you give your 10 percent directly to those in need, that is more like tithing in the Old Testament. No wrong in that.

Tithing under the Law was a picture (type/shadow) of something else (it wasn't even about money then, it was the fristfruits/tithe of their crops). It means Holy to the Lord....firstfruits. Like out of the ten lepers who were cleansed only one returned to Jesus.....a "tithe". God said to Abraham that if He could find ten men in Sodom who were righteous He would stave off the judgment...that was the minimum required. That "tithe" being holy to the Lord was enough to "sanctify"/preserve the whole city. (Why the Jews have their "minyan" a minimum of ten men being the minimum number to form a congregation to meet with God.) And if the root (firstfruit/tithe) is holy, the whole lump is counted holy. Jesus being the ultimate tithe (firstborn male that opened the womb was holy to the Lord....firstfruits). So many lovely allegories of scripture.

 

[Marvelloustime]

For you are not your own you have been bought with a price .
To the Lord we owe all . This thing i do forgetting what is behind , let none look back . Look only to Christ
and have all hope in Him . For here we have no continuing city but we seek one to Come .
Though in Spirit we have indeed come unto the heavenly city . We are s eated in heavenly places
as we now walk our pilgramige , as s trangers but looking ever forward to the Promise of His coming .
Praises with all thanksgivings are due the LORD .
Let none who name the name of Christ set their affections and hopes upon the earthern or on man .
Seek the heavenly and have all hope and trust and affections above on the LORD .
For we are dead and our LIFE is hid in HIM . OH but when HE shall appear .................. then shall we appear with Him in GLORY .
The HOMELAND in new heavens and new earth and new glorified bodies , forever with The LORD .
Now to the trenches for the hour is very late and the delusion has grown .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

and what we have been FREED , aka saved FROM .
Many no l onger believe they have been purged from sin .
SEEING THEY SO FREELY love TO SIN .
They have been given over to a grace , a love , a mercy
that is not of GOD nor will it ever once honor THE SON .
Any grace , any love , any mercy
that rather than correcting sin and error , calls sin and error fine . IS NOT OF GOD .
Any grace , any love , any mercy that omits the DIRE ABSOLUTE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUs . IS NOT OF GOD .
Any grace , any love , any mercy that rather than correcting sin allows sin to remain , IS NOT OF GOD .
And any mercy , any grace , any love that turns The CHRIST of GOD , THUS GOD into a minstir of sin and unbelief
IS NOT OF GOD .
ITS the devil in wool simply feeding those who love the flesh the desires they so love . And that is their sin
and their life they love IN this world . But he is a liar . And what is His Desire
That all burn with him in the lake of fire .

Yes, but He has brought us out to bring us in. He has brought us out of bondage to sin in order to lead us into something. What He is saving us "to".

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, but He has brought us out to bring us in. He has brought us out of bondage to sin in order to lead us into something. What He is saving us "to".

Yes indeed He brought us out BY bringing us into the kingdom of His SON .
Called out of the darkness and into HIS marvelous light , the LIGHT OF JESUS CHRIST who is
the GLORY OF GOD .
Regulators and contenders for the one true FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST ,
forward march . The inclusive god and his well favored harlot take no time
off to decieve and to merge all as one MAN to the lie , takes no time off .
WE take no time off to defend and contend for the one true faith , That actually
SAVES he or she WHO DO BELEIVE . WE , my dear sister , shall POINT TO CHRIST JESUS , HIS GOSPEL ,
HIS words , as did the apostels themselves to the churches and all peoples .
WE , unlike a harlot , unlike her inclusive father , preach THE TRUE LOVE OF GOD .
And what is THE LOVE OF GOD
That WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
And what are HIS commandments . HE has commanded to BELIEVE ON HIS SON .
TO BELIEVE ON JESUS and to love one another .
But as you see , and by grace i see and others see , THAT HARLOT rejects THAT LOVE
and preaches her own inclusive love which REJECTS GOD and makes the road v ery HIC and BROAD .
For no man can put horse in cart and pull that cart . ONLY FAITH will do with GOD .
And HE whose faith is in GOD , his faith had been IN CHRIST not in HIC or any other false love .
For we are now his workmanship created unto the very good works that GOD had before ordained that we walk in them .

 

[amigo de christo]

^i

Tithing under the Law was picture (type/shadow) of something else (it wasn't even about money then, it was the fristfruits/tithe of their crops). It means Holy to the Lord....firstfruits. Like out of the ten lepers who were cleansed only one returned to Jesus.....a "tithe". God said to Abraham that if He could find ten men in Sodom who were righteous He would stave off the judgment...that was the minimum required. That "tithe" being holy to the Lord was enough to "sanctify"/preserve the whole city. (Why the Jews have their "minyan" a minimum of ten men being the minimum number to form a congregation to meet with God.) And if the root (firstfruit/tithe) is holy, the whole lump is counted holy. Jesus being the ultimate tithe (firstborn male that opened the womb was holy to the Lord....firstfruits). So many lovely allegories of scripture.

Yes my dear sister what many do not realize
is What the tithe was all about . You see GOD dont need that money .
LOOK what he told them the levites to do with it
just as he always made a way for the poor to be taken care of sister .
Ye shall NOT glean your fields , its for the poor .
Every seventh year is a sabbath , ye shall not harvest your fields .
IT IS FOR THE POOR of the land .
THE MONEY was all about TAKING care of those who lacked , as well as the levite his own personal needs , not personal greeds .
NOW TAKE A GOOD LOOK at the fullfillment of this IN THE EARLY CHRUCH .
THEY HAD ALL THINGS COMMON , NONE OF THEM LACKED .
they took care of the poor , they did not heap and steap .
UNLIKE the nar realm , unlike the many who do heap n steap and have grown quite fat and rich
By their lies and their greed and their thus sayeth the Lord . AND YET THE LORD DID NOT SAY as they say .
Dont give a cent to a man who is greedy of gain . Feed not his pockets or his greed .
Give only to those who actually DO preach the gospel and who actually DO take care of their own .
NOT unto those who LIVE far far better with much riches as their churches starve from LACK OF DOCTRINE
and lack of funds to feed the actual poor . THEY FEED THEMSELVES . NOT THE CHURCH of GOD .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And what is the greatest ego of all
The ego that puts HIC and preaches an inclusive and false love .
A love that indeed has omitted the very dire need to even have had to have believed on JESUS .
And while its true , some do love to be seen of men
It is also true that many simply have no real desire to depart from the sin they love
and had rather feel accepted IN such sin .

Not sure who you are talking about here

God created people new in christ.

In the old life. Sin was a persons nature. It was the desires of their heart.

In the new life. sin is poison. Its does not taste the same, it is against our nature.

Then on top of that, we have the chastening of God. to which if we are not chastened we are illegitament and not true children.

so when are people going to give credit to God who not only created us new in Christ, who we are told those born of God can not live in sin because we are born of God (1 john 3)

Many do not like the grave reminders

Many do not give up their pride. and point to self. not God.

because many love something that ought never have been loved , their sin and their life in this world .
And this is why many have put their hopes also into men who can promise them peace n safety
and show them such an anti christ dialgoue on how to attain such peace n safety .
HE who loves his life in this world WILL LOSE it .
But he who loses His life for JESUS sake shall indeed find it .
And the time and hour for all to abandon hope in men , IS NOW
and let all hope be IN GOD and IN HIS CHRIST . Now on those feet peoples .

lol.. Brother., if you think you can make yourself righteous and God will look at you with joy. you will get a rude awakening one day.

God is the one who changes us


when will we stop patting ourselves on the back we are not like the sinner. and start praising God for saving us and focus on Gods work on us. and stop trying to be the fruit inspector for others

 

[amigo de christo]

Tithing under the Law was picture (type/shadow) of something else (it wasn't even about money then, it was the fristfruits/tithe of their crops). It means Holy to the Lord....firstfruits. Like out of the ten lepers who were cleansed only one returned to Jesus.....a "tithe". God said to Abraham that if He could find ten men in Sodom who were righteous He would stave off the judgment...that was the minimum required. That "tithe" being holy to the Lord was enough to "sanctify"/preserve the whole city. (Why the Jews have their "minyan" a minimum of ten men being the minimum number to form a congregation to meet with God.) And if the root (firstfruit/tithe) is holy, the whole lump is counted holy. Jesus being the ultimate tithe (firstborn male that opened the womb was holy to the Lord....firstfruits). So many lovely allegories of scripture.

We even see it in the desert . HE who had gathered much had nothing left over
and he who had gathered little did not lack . NOW WE SEE THIS fullfilled
IN CHRIST and by the SPIRIT we see it in the early church .
DO NOT give a cent to these rich , YET POOR BLIND AND NAKED men and women of belial ,who only use the name of
GOD and of CHRIST to get GAIN .
The sheep shall take care of their own . never give to the greedy , to the covetous . rather warn and rebuke them all .
As in , YE HIRELINGS , GO get a job and quit fleecing this people with your lies for gain .
The hireling cares not for the sheep sister . Only that his own house and his own empire GROWS .
HE does not provide for the children , HE STEALS FROM THEM and says THUS sayeth the LORD while doing so .
And he will pay a deep and heavy price , THAT HIS STOLEN MONEY cannot make payment for his soul ON JESUS DAY .
THEY steal . they lie , and now they even merge this people with THE HARLOT .
THEY have NO idea what paul meant .
FOR WE SEEK NOT YOURS but YOU . for the children ought not LAY up for the parents , but the parents for the children .
THEY DO NOT WALK AS JESUS DID , WHO always looked out for the welfare of his own and others , BEFORE HIMSELF .
THEY DO NOT walk as did JESUS . NO mam , THEY walk in far fancier robes while peoples in their own churches lack .
AND to the ones who do lack they simply say , GIVE TO ME and YE SHALL BE BLESSED and not lack .
HEEED not a word one out of their mouths . Follow none of them . LET us follow CHRIST
and let us go unto the wilderness fleeing THEIR tabernacles with are NOT OF GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Not sure who you are talking about here

God created people new in christ.

In the old life. Sin was a persons nature. It was the desires of their heart.

In the new life. sin is poison. Its does not taste the same, it is against our nature.

Then on top of that, we have the chastening of God. to which if we are not chastened we are illegitament and not true children.

so when are people going to give credit to God who not only created us new in Christ, who we are told those born of God can not live in sin because we are born of God (1 john 3)



Many do not give up their pride. and point to self. not God.

lol.. Brother., if you think you can make yourself righteous and God will look at you with joy. you will get a rude awakening one day.

God is the one who changes us


when will we stop patting ourselves on the back we are not like the sinner. and start praising God for saving us and focus on Gods work on us. and stop trying to be the fruit inspector for others

you almost got a like
till i read your last paragraph . YOU really are that ignorant . YOU actually believe i point to my own righteousness
apart f rom faith n CHRIST . NO . but them incluisivians SURE DO . yet you all seem to like their sermon s
NOW WHY IS T HAT . You have never once helped me contend for the t rue faith
against these inclusiviains . Of whom , one of them was found witnessing a fat lie to an atheist .
NOW when i went on to point that atheist to BELIEF IN JESUS , his response was THAT IS RELIGIOUS extremism .
BY Grace i continously have reminded and pointed all to the DIRE ABSOLUTE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
WITIH LITTLE to NO help from most . including YOU .
Always i warn against that broad road and the false love and that ONE must absolutely beleive on JESUS .
That he is no ministir of any sin either .
You were correct
UP until the point you wrote LOL , brother , cause IT AINT ME making myself righteous
ITS ME , by grace POINTING TO THE ONLY ONE who can MAKE one righteous .
AND seeing it seems your real problem is that i expose sin and error . THAT Is not my problem to bear
ITS YOURS . cause the early CHURCH was well as CHRIST corrected SIN and ERROR .

 

[amigo de christo]

Not sure who you are talking about here

God created people new in christ.

In the old life. Sin was a persons nature. It was the desires of their heart.

In the new life. sin is poison. Its does not taste the same, it is against our nature.

Then on top of that, we have the chastening of God. to which if we are not chastened we are illegitament and not true children.

so when are people going to give credit to God who not only created us new in Christ, who we are told those born of God can not live in sin because we are born of God (1 john 3)



Many do not give up their pride. and point to self. not God.

lol.. Brother., if you think you can make yourself righteous and God will look at you with joy. you will get a rude awakening one day.

God is the one who changes us


when will we stop patting ourselves on the back we are not like the sinner. and start praising God for saving us and focus on Gods work on us. and stop trying to be the fruit inspector for others

tell that last when will we stop patting ourselves on the back
TO that ecumeincal inclusive interfaith interreligious dilagoue
AS IT has made BROAD THE ROAD and says PAT yourselves all on the back , YE can do this
WITHOUT FAITH IN JESUS . oh it aint me patting myself on the back .
ITS much of christendom that has been patting the back of a harlot and saying YOU GO GIRL that is the love we like .
FOLKS better watch out . A harlot knows how to lie and to seduce just as does her inclusive father the dragon .

 

[amigo de christo]

Not sure who you are talking about here

God created people new in christ.

In the old life. Sin was a persons nature. It was the desires of their heart.

In the new life. sin is poison. Its does not taste the same, it is against our nature.

Then on top of that, we have the chastening of God. to which if we are not chastened we are illegitament and not true children.

so when are people going to give credit to God who not only created us new in Christ, who we are told those born of God can not live in sin because we are born of God (1 john 3)



Many do not give up their pride. and point to self. not God.

lol.. Brother., if you think you can make yourself righteous and God will look at you with joy. you will get a rude awakening one day.

God is the one who changes us


when will we stop patting ourselves on the back we are not like the sinner. and start praising God for saving us and focus on Gods work on us. and stop trying to be the fruit inspector for others

I think i know what the problem is .
Its my warnings against sin and error that bother you . the question you need to now ask yourself is
WHY is that . now when you do i want you to examine YOU .
because if you all think my warnings against sin and error were grave , sharp or even wrong and jugmental .
TAKE A LOOK at HOW the early church did things .
What is sad , its not that you can SEE the wickdness that has risen up . NO that would be good .
ITS the fact this church age just keeps on repeating the same things over and over again
THAT EVEN ALLOWED THE LEAVEN TO RISE UP . its like watching insanity .
Oh my HOW did it get this bad , some say , but then when a man comes along
to warn them to get back into the bible , to warn them against sins and errors
to warn them against seeker friendly and etc
THEY SAY JUDGE NOT . WHEN the heck are you all gonna figure out
THAT judge not was taken out of text , IN ORDER TO GET THE LEAVEN IN and to remain and
to silence the mouth of those WHO DO speak TRUTH , so EVIL CAN TAKE OVER . wake up folks . wake up .

 

[Lizbeth]

For you are not your own you have been bought with a price .
To the Lord we owe all . This thing i do forgetting what is behind , let none look back . Look only to Christ
and have all hope in Him . For here we have no continuing city but we seek one to Come .
Though in Spirit we have indeed come unto the heavenly city . We are s eated in heavenly places
as we now walk our pilgramige , as s trangers but looking ever forward to the Promise of His coming .
Praises with all thanksgivings are due the LORD .
Let none who name the name of Christ set their affections and hopes upon the earthern or on man .
Seek the heavenly and have all hope and trust and affections above on the LORD .
For we are dead and our LIFE is hid in HIM . OH but when HE shall appear .................. then shall we appear with Him in GLORY .
The HOMELAND in new heavens and new earth and new glorified bodies , forever with The LORD .
Now to the trenches for the hour is very late and the delusion has grown .

Amen, another paradox.........we HAVE come to the heavenly city, and yet are still seeking it. We have been translated into the kingdom and we have been made the righteousness of God, and yet still are told to seek His kingdom and His righteousness. We ARE dead and our old man HAS been crucified yet we are still often having to contend with him. All things HAVE been put under the feet of Jesus, yet we still do not (necessarily) SEE all things put under Him. The natural mind can only see a contradiction with these paradoxes, but it is a matter that these things HAVE been accomplished by Jesus on the cross for us and are being imputed to us, and our pilgrimage involves seeking to apprehend them.

 

[Lizbeth]

Not sure who you are talking about here

God created people new in christ.

In the old life. Sin was a persons nature. It was the desires of their heart.

In the new life. sin is poison. Its does not taste the same, it is against our nature.

Then on top of that, we have the chastening of God. to which if we are not chastened we are illegitament and not true children.

so when are people going to give credit to God who not only created us new in Christ, who we are told those born of God can not live in sin because we are born of God (1 john 3)



Many do not give up their pride. and point to self. not God.

lol.. Brother., if you think you can make yourself righteous and God will look at you with joy. you will get a rude awakening one day.

God is the one who changes us


when will we stop patting ourselves on the back we are not like the sinner. and start praising God for saving us and focus on Gods work on us. and stop trying to be the fruit inspector for others

We're all called to inspect/discern the fruits, and even some more than others. Jesus said by their fruits you will know them. We very much need to examine/inspect our own fruits as well.

 

[Episkopos]

you almost got a like
till i read your last paragraph . YOU really are that ignorant . YOU actually believe i point to my own righteousness
apart f rom faith n CHRIST .

Yes you do. You are always pointing to yourself and your beliefs. AND you think that justifies you. That's why you are so quick to judge and condemn. You are comparing yourself with others by your own standard....not God's.

NO . but them incluisivians SURE DO . yet you all seem to like their sermon s

It's the EXCLUSIVIANS who are the Pharisees of our time. You won't see a Pharisee embracing a publican. No, he will look down on the publican and condemn him unless he does like a Pharisee and join in the exclusiveness of the law. You do exactly the same thing.....but for you it's about accepting an ideology ABOUT Jesus.

NOW WHY IS T HAT . You have never once helped me contend for the t rue faith
against these inclusiviains . Of whom , one of them was found witnessing a fat lie to an atheist .

Anybody who is not an out and out Pharisee you call an inclusivian (a made up word). You are judging yourself as an ego maniac and a bigot. And you only judge from yourself. You never contend for the faith of Christ...just your own twisted religious ideology. Nothing you say offends the devil...just real disciples and God. Have you read Don Quixote? You do the same thing...tilting at imaginary windmills.

NOW when i went on to point that atheist to BELIEF IN JESUS , his response was THAT IS RELIGIOUS extremism .

Jesus is not looking for belief but OBEDIENCE. The devil believes in Jesus too. And you are a religious NUT...an extremist.

BY Grace i continously have reminded and pointed all to the DIRE ABSOLUTE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
WITIH LITTLE to NO help from most . including YOU .

Make a protest sign... make people jump through your hoops...to please your flesh.

Always i warn against that broad road and the false love and that ONE must absolutely beleive on JESUS .
That he is no ministir of any sin either .
You were correct
UP until the point you wrote LOL , brother , cause IT AINT ME making myself righteous

You claim your beliefs make you righteous and grant you to judge others and condemn them. You are believing things from the outer man. I am a real disciple of Christ...and you HATE that. If you only knew of what spirit you are really.

ITS ME , by grace POINTING TO THE ONLY ONE who can MAKE one righteous .

Virtue signalling. You are a mocker and a false witness....admit it. You never met the Lord. All you have are religious extremist condemnatory slogans...and your DOGmatic dog person just pumps out bible verses mindlessly....no context at all. It's like visiting an old folks home with a bunch of senile people that think they are being crusaders....but it's laughable. Or...very sad.

AND seeing it seems your real problem is that i expose sin and error .

Look in the mirror. See what religious flesh looks like.

THAT Is not my problem to bear
ITS YOURS . cause the early CHURCH was well as CHRIST corrected SIN and ERROR .

You have to take that log out of your own eye first.