Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Lizbeth]

Yes you do. You are always pointing to yourself and your beliefs. AND you think that justifies you. That's why you are so quick to judge and condemn. You are comparing yourself with others by your own standard....not God's.


It's the EXCLUSIVIANS who are the Pharisees of our time. You won't see a Pharisee embracing a publican. No, he will look down on the publican and condemn him unless he does like a Pharisee and join in the exclusiveness of the law. You do exactly the same thing.....but for you it's about accepting an ideology ABOUT Jesus.


Anybody who is not an out and out Pharisee you call an inclusivian (a made up word). You are judging yourself as an ego maniac and a bigot. And you only judge from yourself. You never contend for the faith of Christ...just your own twisted religious ideology. Nothing you say offends the devil...just real disciples and God. Have you read Don Quixote? You do the same thing...tilting at imaginary windmills.


Jesus is not looking for belief but OBEDIENCE. The devil believes in Jesus too. And you are a religious NUT...an extremist.


Make a protest sign... make people jump through your hoops...to please your flesh.


You claim your beliefs make you righteous and grant you to judge others and condemn them. You are believing things from the outer man. I am a real disciple of Christ...and you HATE that. If you only knew of what spirit you are really.


Virtue signalling. You are a mocker and a false witness....admit it. You never met the Lord. All you have are religious extremist condemnatory slogans...and your DOGmatic dog person just pumps out bible verses mindlessly....no context at all. It's like visiting an old folks home with a bunch of senile people that think they are being crusaders....but it's laughable. Or...very sad.


Look in the mirror. See what religious flesh looks like.

You have to take that log out of your own eye first.

The very first thing everyone needs to do in obedience to Jesus and the gospel is to BELIEVE HIM/IT.

Religious nuttiness....that is what the gospel is to some people, yes. Foolishness. Nothing gets them madder than a hornet than hearing the gospel being preached, for some reason.

"you have never met the Lord"......that tells me the person saying this appears not to know what it is to come to faith, to be born again......to not only meet but receive Christ by His Spirit.

And what are we to make of those who are always making outrageous accusations against people's lives whose lives they know absolutely nothing about. Simply out of a great deal of resentment and based on the fact their theology is being disputed. I don't know how they can talk about others needing to look in the mirror and take a log out of their eye.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you almost got a like
till i read your last paragraph . YOU really are that ignorant . YOU actually believe i point to my own righteousness

from what I read. there was alot of self pointing.

apart f rom faith n CHRIST . NO . but them incluisivians SURE DO . yet you all seem to like their sermon s
NOW WHY IS T HAT . You have never once helped me contend for the t rue faith
against these inclusiviains . Of whom , one of them was found witnessing a fat lie to an atheist .
NOW when i went on to point that atheist to BELIEF IN JESUS , his response was THAT IS RELIGIOUS extremism .
BY Grace i continously have reminded and pointed all to the DIRE ABSOLUTE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
WITIH LITTLE to NO help from most . including YOU .
Always i warn against that broad road and the false love and that ONE must absolutely beleive on JESUS .
That he is no ministir of any sin either .
You were correct
UP until the point you wrote LOL , brother , cause IT AINT ME making myself righteous
ITS ME , by grace POINTING TO THE ONLY ONE who can MAKE one righteous .
AND seeing it seems your real problem is that i expose sin and error . THAT Is not my problem to bear
ITS YOURS . cause the early CHURCH was well as CHRIST corrected SIN and ERROR .

then don;t attack people who love sin. as if you are better than them

They are not your brother. Because if they still love sin, they are children of satan not children of God.

remember when you point at someone. three fingers are pointing back at you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We're all called to inspect/discern the fruits, and even some more than others.

No actually we are not.

We can not tell who is saved or who is not. Only God knows.

Jesus said by their fruits you will know them. We very much need to examine/inspect our own fruits as well.

Yes. we can know if someone is walking or not. we can not know who is saved or not.

I was not walking as a prodigal son for 5 years. you would not have known I was a believer other than the fact I still professed christ.

I did not walk away from God. I walked away from legalistic church and had no place to turn. Until God restored me.

Its not that I lived in sin, that would be impossible for any child of God. its that I was not walking and producing fruit.

Salvation is of God, it is not about how good we are or how bad we are. no one meets Gods requirment

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen, another paradox.........we HAVE come to the heavenly city, and yet are still seeking it. We have been translated into the kingdom and we have been made the righteousness of God, and yet still are told to seek His kingdom and His righteousness. We ARE dead and our old man HAS been crucified yet we are still often having to contend with him. All things HAVE been put under the feet of Jesus, yet we still do not (necessarily) SEE all things put under Him. The natural mind can only see a contradiction with these paradoxes, but it is a matter that these things HAVE been accomplished by Jesus on the cross for us and are being imputed to us, and our pilgrimage involves seeking to apprehend them.

this is called christian growth.

Sadly. to many put salvation as dependent on how far we get.

that is the issue at hand I believe

 

[Marvelloustime]

I think i know what the problem is .
Its my warnings against sin and error that bother you . the question you need to now ask yourself is
WHY is that . now when you do i want you to examine YOU .
because if you all think my warnings against sin and error were grave , sharp or even wrong and jugmental .
TAKE A LOOK at HOW the early church did things .
What is sad , its not that you can SEE the wickdness that has risen up . NO that would be good .
ITS the fact this church age just keeps on repeating the same things over and over again
THAT EVEN ALLOWED THE LEAVEN TO RISE UP . its like watching insanity .
Oh my HOW did it get this bad , some say , but then when a man comes along
to warn them to get back into the bible , to warn them against sins and errors
to warn them against seeker friendly and etc
THEY SAY JUDGE NOT . WHEN the heck are you all gonna figure out
THAT judge not was taken out of text , IN ORDER TO GET THE LEAVEN IN and to remain and
to silence the mouth of those WHO DO speak TRUTH , so EVIL CAN TAKE OVER . wake up folks . wake up .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

tell that last when will we stop patting ourselves on the back
TO that ecumeincal inclusive interfaith interreligious dilagoue
AS IT has made BROAD THE ROAD and says PAT yourselves all on the back , YE can do this
WITHOUT FAITH IN JESUS . oh it aint me patting myself on the back .
ITS much of christendom that has been patting the back of a harlot and saying YOU GO GIRL that is the love we like .
FOLKS better watch out . A harlot knows how to lie and to seduce just as does her inclusive father the dragon .

@amigo de christo

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Amen. I believe Ive stopped all sins unto death. My husband has too.

I went from being unable to stop sinning to not really thinking about desiring it. I just want to be in God's Spirit all the time. No breaks.

That is a sign that you are not a Christian in name only, but a born again of the Spirit Christian on your way to heaven when you pass from this life. Me to, sis!

 

[Marvelloustime]

you almost got a like
till i read your last paragraph . YOU really are that ignorant . YOU actually believe i point to my own righteousness
apart f rom faith n CHRIST . NO . but them incluisivians SURE DO . yet you all seem to like their sermon s
NOW WHY IS T HAT . You have never once helped me contend for the t rue faith
against these inclusiviains . Of whom , one of them was found witnessing a fat lie to an atheist .
NOW when i went on to point that atheist to BELIEF IN JESUS , his response was THAT IS RELIGIOUS extremism .
BY Grace i continously have reminded and pointed all to the DIRE ABSOLUTE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS .
WITIH LITTLE to NO help from most . including YOU .
Always i warn against that broad road and the false love and that ONE must absolutely beleive on JESUS .
That he is no ministir of any sin either .
You were correct
UP until the point you wrote LOL , brother , cause IT AINT ME making myself righteous
ITS ME , by grace POINTING TO THE ONLY ONE who can MAKE one righteous .
AND seeing it seems your real problem is that i expose sin and error . THAT Is not my problem to bear
ITS YOURS . cause the early CHURCH was well as CHRIST corrected SIN and ERROR .

@amigo de christo

 

[Episkopos]

Amen, another paradox.........we HAVE come to the heavenly city, and yet are still seeking it.

Schizoid Gnosticism. The crazy has come to the fore. That is not a paradox but a confusion based on a lack of understanding...and basic logic. A religious ideology doesn't need to be real...just accepted by gullible people.

So those who are seeking what they have already found...have a decoy gospel...they have nothing. Poor naked wretched and blind...as Jesus says. Jesus doesn't say...you are rich and in need of nothing....He says YOU SAY you are rich and in need of nothing.

We have been translated into the kingdom and we have been made the righteousness of God, and yet still are told to seek His kingdom and His righteousness.

Utter confusion again...still. God only translates the chosen ones. Many are called FEW are chosen. There is no pretend spirituality...unless you are talking new age...that is where you get your inventions from. The Jewish mind is not like that...it is very practical. The vain philosophy comes from new-agers like yourself...twisting the meaning of the scriptures for self aggrandizement purposes...anything but being humble.

We ARE dead and our old man HAS been crucified yet we are still often having to contend with him.

Another foolish notion. Dead men don't act or react. You can't stop with your "paradoxes" which are just lies based on wishful thinking.

All things HAVE been put under the feet of Jesus, yet we still do not (necessarily) SEE all things put under Him.

That's a bad understanding. You can't SEE things under the feet of Jesus BECAUSE you have not been translated into the kingdom realm.

The paradox here is that your blindness is not meant to see things with.

The natural mind can only see a contradiction with these paradoxes,

That isn't what the carnal mind does. The carnal religious mind does exactly what you are doing...spiritualizing the truth into a fantasy. Turning aside to fables as Paul puts it.

You are an ANTI- everything that Jesus and Paul speaks of...the negative instead of a picture.

but it is a matter that these things HAVE been accomplished by Jesus on the cross for us and are being imputed to us,

False and very presumptive to think you can justify yourself based on your own beliefs. It is finished is about the work of God....not our work.

and our pilgrimage involves seeking to apprehend them.

Yes! and AHA...even in your 99% error there is the 1% of truth.

We are to apprehend that for which we have been apprehended in Christ. IOW, we have been selected to run the race of faith. SO we need to run to win...AND NOT...we have already apprehended everything and all we need to do now is to pretend that we still need to apprehend something (that we already have) Utter foolishness. The decoy gospel...there it is. Calling something into existence as if it were not is just a great delusion. It is believing a lie (about yourself)

 

[Marvelloustime]

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Yes my dear sister what many do not realize
is What the tithe was all about . You see GOD dont need that money .
LOOK what he told them the levites to do with it
just as he always made a way for the poor to be taken care of sister .
Ye shall NOT glean your fields , its for the poor .
Every seventh year is a sabbath , ye shall not harvest your fields .
IT IS FOR THE POOR of the land .
THE MONEY was all about TAKING care of those who lacked , as well as the levite his own personal needs , not personal greeds .
NOW TAKE A GOOD LOOK at the fullfillment of this IN THE EARLY CHRUCH .
THEY HAD ALL THINGS COMMON , NONE OF THEM LACKED .
they took care of the poor , they did not heap and steap .
UNLIKE the nar realm , unlike the many who do heap n steap and have grown quite fat and rich
By their lies and their greed and their thus sayeth the Lord . AND YET THE LORD DID NOT SAY as they say .
Dont give a cent to a man who is greedy of gain . Feed not his pockets or his greed .
Give only to those who actually DO preach the gospel and who actually DO take care of their own .
NOT unto those who LIVE far far better with much riches as their churches starve from LACK OF DOCTRINE
and lack of funds to feed the actual poor . THEY FEED THEMSELVES . NOT THE CHURCH of GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

tell that last when will we stop patting ourselves on the back
TO that ecumeincal inclusive interfaith interreligious dilagoue
AS IT has made BROAD THE ROAD and says PAT yourselves all on the back , YE can do this
WITHOUT FAITH IN JESUS . oh it aint me patting myself on the back .
ITS much of christendom that has been patting the back of a harlot and saying YOU GO GIRL that is the love we like .
FOLKS better watch out . A harlot knows how to lie and to seduce just as does her inclusive father the dragon .

@amigo de christo

 

[Episkopos]

For all the new-agers out there @Lizbeth provides a new age gospel that present what she calls "paradoxes." Whereby the very opposite of the gospel is seen as being "spiritual" whereas the plain truth is seen as "carnal'.


As follows....

Find and you will seek

Knock because the door is already opened.

receive and you shall ask

Sounds strangely familiar because it is saying the exact opposite of the true gospel.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You may realize that Christ doesn't cover up the sin nature. He unplugs it by crucifying it. Paul says it is no longer I...but Christ. Not many will experience the cross to that depth.

Yes, I was referring to the false doctrines I've heard on the radio. I believe the opposite.

I wouldn't say "unplug." That implies unplugged, but still there, not TAKEN AWAY. Jesus creates a whole new clean nature in us, and, again, with free will like Adam, but also with the Holy Spirit inside, which Adam didn't have.

 

[amigo de christo]

this is called christian growth.

Sadly. to many put salvation as dependent on how far we get.

that is the issue at hand I believe

well lets see what JESUS said and later paul would confirm .
But he who endures to the END the same shall be saved .
FOR we are made partakers OF CHRIST
if we hold the BEGINNING of our confidence , IN HIM , UNTO the end .
SO . to anyone who is running to an ecumeincal harlot
and her all inclusive love and her intefaith . THEY RUNNING TO A LIE .
And those who buy that lie ,
WELL lets jus say THEY WERE NEVER OF US .
Which begs me to now ask you , WHY ARE YOUR RUNNING TO IT .
Now i know all about dissumlations . They can happen .
WHEN THEY DO GOD sends HIS OWN to remind and warn and rebuke them . OH NO ya dont .
SO my advice is
WE BETTER FLEE ANYTHING ecumeincal and NOW as in RIGHT NOW .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

well lets see what JESUS said and later paul would confirm .
But he who endures to the END the same shall be saved .
FOR we are made partakers OF CHRIST
if we hold the BEGINNING of our confidence , IN HIM , UNTO the end .
SO . to anyone who is running to an ecumeincal harlot
and her all inclusive love and her intefaith . THEY RUNNING TO A LIE .
And those who buy that lie ,
WELL lets jus say THEY WERE NEVER OF US .
Which begs me to now ask you , WHY ARE YOUR RUNNING TO IT .
Now i know all about dissumlations . They can happen .
WHEN THEY DO GOD sends HIS OWN to remind and warn and rebuke them . OH NO ya dont .
SO my advice is
WE BETTER FLEE ANYTHING ecumeincal and NOW as in RIGHT NOW .

hey you want to endure till the end, and think that will save you. Have at it.

While your at it. What is this even look like. how many sins can you commit while your supposedly enduring to the end?

As for me. Jesus was talking about those alive in tribulation. And he was talking physical life. Not eternal life

I have eternal life. it was a gift of God. it can not be earned by how good I am, how many good works I do. or how many religious ceremonies I keep.

 

[Lizbeth]

Schizoid Gnosticism. The crazy has come to the fore. That is not a paradox but a confusion based on a lack of understanding...and basic logic. A religious ideology doesn't need to be real...just accepted by gullible people.

So those who are seeking what they have already found...have a decoy gospel...they have nothing. Poor naked wretched and blind...as Jesus says. Jesus doesn't say...you are rich and in need of nothing....He says YOU SAY you are rich and in need of nothing.

I guess the man who first found the pearl of great price, and then went off to pay a price for it was schizoid then.

I do not say nor think that I am rich and in need of nothing. Even Paul was not of that mindset and instructed others to be of the same mind as he. But your disingenuousness has long been noted.....you should know from even our earliest exchanges and reminders since then, where I think I am.

What does it mean where it says all things have been put under the feet of Christ but we do not yet see all things put under? So many times I have brought up that paradox and you have never had any response to it. Another paradox is where the Lord told and reassured the Israelites that He had already given them the Land of Promise.........well before they went in and conquered the Land. I have mentioned that one before as well. So yeah, it was already theirs even though not yet. Selah. Likewise to us all the promises are yea in Him and in Him amen.

The Jewish mind is not like that...it is very practical.

Yes, I had a hunch you were being influenced by the Jewish mindset. I've seen it before. But the Jewish mind needs RENEWING every bit as much as the Gentile mind. And unfortunately they are still looking for a kingdom that is of this world, just like they were in Jesus' day and couldn't accept a Messiah whose kingdom was not of this world.

 

[Episkopos]

I guess the man who first found the pearl of great price, and then went off to pay a price for it was schizoid then.

You are of course way off in your assessment. That parable represents someone who has received the sample of grace who figures he's going to go ALL IN and surrenders all to God in order to possess the kingdom realm.

I do not say nor think that I am rich and in need of nothing. Even Paul was not of that mindset and instructed others to be of the same mind as he. But your disingenuousness has long been noted.....you should know from even our earliest exchanges and reminders since then, where I think I am.

You claim to already be seated in heavenly places. And you fail to say what that looks like...because it is a fiction.

What does it mean where it says all things have been put under the feet of Christ but we do not yet see all things put under? So many times I have brought up that paradox and you have never had any response to it. Another paradox is where the Lord told and reassured the Israelites that He had already given them the Land of Promise.........well before they went in and conquered the Land. I have mentioned that one before as well. So yeah, it was already theirs even though not yet. Selah. Likewise to us all the promises are yea in Him and in Him amen.

You are trying to understand timing in eternal terms...by reasoning with a temporal time clock.

Yes, I had a hunch you were being influenced by the Jewish mindset. I've seen it before. But the Jewish mind needs RENEWING every bit as much as the Gentile mind.

The Jewish mindset is the mind of Christ that has been renewed and informed to God's ways. Trying to understand the bible from a new age perspective is a fool's errand. The Jews are the most PRACTICAL thinkers. When Paul says he is seated in heavenly places it mean he is literally seeing the eternal realm....with spiritual faculties. Have you read that he also performed miracles. Paul's translation was real. But there is nothing miraculous about your claims...because it's al pretend. In the Spirit, miracles happen all the time. And don't start with the Toronto fiasco...

And unfortunately they are still looking for a kingdom that is of this world, just like they were in Jesus' day and couldn't accept a Messiah whose kingdom was not of this world.

Again, always comparing yourself favourably to unbelievers. Do you realize that the New testament was written by Jews? They understood righteousness...you do not. Salvation is of the Jews.

 

[Lizbeth]

No actually we are not.

We can not tell who is saved or who is not. Only God knows.



Yes. we can know if someone is walking or not. we can not know who is saved or not.

I was not walking as a prodigal son for 5 years. you would not have known I was a believer other than the fact I still professed christ.

I did not walk away from God. I walked away from legalistic church and had no place to turn. Until God restored me.

Its not that I lived in sin, that would be impossible for any child of God. its that I was not walking and producing fruit.

Salvation is of God, it is not about how good we are or how bad we are. no one meets Gods requirment

Surely we are to know/discern the difference between good and bad fruit.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are of course way off in your assessment. That parable represents someone who has received the sample of grace who figures he's going to go ALL IN and surrenders all to God in order to possess the kingdom realm.


You claim to already be seated in heavenly places. And you fail to say what that looks like...because it is a fiction.


You are trying to understand timing in eternal terms...by reasoning with a temporal time clock.

The Jewish mindset is the mind of Christ that has been renewed and informed to God's ways. Trying to understand the bible from a new age perspective is a fool's errand. The Jews are the most PRACTICAL thinkers. When Paul says he is seated in heavenly places it mean he is literally seeing the eternal realm....with spiritual faculties. Have you read that he also performed miracles. Paul's translation was real. But there is nothing miraculous about your claims...because it's al pretend. In the Spirit, miracles happen all the time. And don't start with the Toronto fiasco...

Again, always comparing yourself favourably to unbelievers. Do you realize that the New testament was written by Jews? They understood righteousness...you do not. Salvation is of the Jews.

Suffice to say, your assumptions are way off as usual.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Surely we are to know/discern the difference between good and bad fruit.

Of course

I am talking about determining if someone is saved or not.