Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[amigo de christo]

I couldn't agree more.

Christianity seems to be going to hell in a hand basket.

much of christendom , and much of the false relgions are now merging as one under the lie .
and this lie was never the solution of God for peace either .
The solution is JESUS THE CHRIST and the message of how to be reconiled to GOD is by faith in JESUS the CHRIST .
not to have their faith in an all inclusive lie that made void the one true gospel in order to simply merge
them all as one . We make our last hour stand now Gods grace . And what is this last hour stand
TO REMIND all to repent and beleive JESUS is THE CHRIST , THE SON OF GOD and to be saved YE must beleive .
And while we are at it , YES we gonna have to remind any who does cliam to bleieve on JESUS
to depart from inquity and to even not let it once be named as becometh saints .
Leaven was allowed to remain under the guise of love and false tolerance . And friend
when it was , IN TIME it took over as it grew and as it grew .
Till now not only are certain sins called good and love and c laimed that GOD supports .
THEY NOW have brought the lie of all lies upon christendom . The lie that it was just not necessary
to have had to beleive on JESUs and that all religoins are simply coming TO GOD in differing ways .
They gonna merge as one , both the lost in christendom and the false religoins .
And all will believe they serve the one true GOD and his plan for world peace .
ONLY need i remind us again , IT AINT GOD . IT has denied the true peace of GOD
and sold a false peace of an anti christ .

 

[GodsGrace]

Stop with the emotionalism. You are not used to truth tellers....they are not allowed in the churches anymore. everything now is flowers and rainbows. If there are not enough flowers and rainbows to give, then people will go down the road to another church that does. That is the way of Babylon.

I get attacked daily here for my witness of Christ. It's a public forum. Get over your emotions already.

Yes sir.
I am over my emotions.
May I speak now?

I agree what you've said about the way of the churches.
Having members upset with you is not the way either.
They stop listening.

I am currently not attending a church.
If I want any flowers I have to get myself to a flourist and buy them myself.

This is a very complex topic and will not be entering into it with you.
I fear for Christianity.
But I believe the end is near so no problem.

 

[GodsGrace]

But you applaud the deception. You are part of the problem....can you see that? Judging with your emotional understanding....you become an enemy of the cross. Let go your imagination and follow Christ into HIS reproach. Right now you are so nice that the devil smiles on you....you are no threat at all...in fact he can use you when the riot police try to establish order....you can call them "cruel" ...Poor things.

Have you ever counted the real cost of following Christ? Or have you just responded to an altar call?

You're much too emotional E.
Impossible to have a good conversation with you.

 

[GodsGrace]

But you applaud the deception. You are part of the problem....can you see that? Judging with your emotional understanding....you become an enemy of the cross. Let go your imagination and follow Christ into HIS reproach. Right now you are so nice that the devil smiles on you....you are no threat at all...in fact he can use you when the riot police try to establish order....you can call them "cruel" ...Poor things.

Have you ever counted the real cost of following Christ? Or have you just responded to an altar call?

An altar call?
Is that what Christianity is?

 

[Episkopos]

Yes sir.
I am over my emotions.
May I speak now?

Sure have at it... :)

I agree what you've said about the way of the churches.
Having members upset with you is not the way either.
They stop listening.

They crucified Jesus.....they stopped listening to Him. When Peter tried stopping Jesus from risking His life He said...Get behind me satan.


Getting members upset??? They need to wail and cry out for their very lives.

I am currently not attending a church.
If I want any flowers I have to get myself to a flourist and buy them myself.

What kind of flowers do you like?

This is a very complex topic and will not be entering into it with you.
I fear for Christianity.
But I believe the end is near so no problem.

The problem is in the judgment on the church whereby most will have to spend an eternity in outer darkness. Then people will say why didn't God warn them?

 

[ProDeo]

Stop being so emotional. Your emotions don't bring about the kingdom of God. Nor any truth. You are not paying attention due to your own blindness.

The zeal for the Lord = emotion.

Speaking truth.

Amigo speaks in ignorance of any reality...almost incoherent at times....with no logic or reason...and always fully out of context. Basically he posts like a raving lunatic. And don't think he's being a fool for God...but rather just a bad witness of an unstable mind spewing forth accusations the way Don Quixote tilted at windmills. His ever present panic leads him to be an accuser of the brethren and condemns others...but you can't see that because for some bizarre reason you have an emotional attachment to this guy . That is fully wrong. And your emotions deceive you just like Eve, the woman. So you are behaving here like a woman...the feminized church. Others also do this.

You accused amigo falsely.

Truth.

Until you call Amigo out for his constant slander you are also a worker of iniquity...obviously. You are guilty by association ...a collaborator with the enemy which the flesh and emotionalism.

What me wonder, did you ever recover from your (as you mentioned so many times) 2.5 year living sinlessly ?

Do you consider yourself saved or lost ?

If the latter is true it would it would explain a lot.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes sir.
I am over my emotions.
May I speak now?

I agree what you've said about the way of the churches.
Having members upset with you is not the way either.
They stop listening.

I am currently not attending a church.
If I want any flowers I have to get myself to a flourist and buy them myself.

This is a very complex topic and will not be entering into it with you.
I fear for Christianity.
But I believe the end is near so no problem.

If you examine epi you will find the core root of his problem .
HE like many will bring teachings JESUS did say
But will NOT IMPLY the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE IN HIM .
Thus it makes it all in vain .
In other words , it is like a man simply using the teachings of JESUS
to DENY BELEIF IN JESUS . That IS NOT OF GOD .
The number one message of the very gospel , IS THAT YE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS.
Not try and do JESUS teachings WITHOUT BELIEVING ON HIM .
That is epis problem . And i promise this is not of GOD .
HOW does Making void the dire need to believe what JESUS DID , iN ANY WAY HONOR THE SON .
AND the command by GOD was WE DO HONOR THE SON and that HE who honors NOT the SON
does NOT honor the father who sent him . THUS to NOT bELIEVE on what JESUS DID and WHO HE IS
MY friend that does not honor him , IT actually calls GOD a liar . that is a fact my friend .

 

[Episkopos]

The zeal for the Lord = emotion.

Speaking truth.

You hate the zeal I have for God and the truth. Your zeal is about feelings.

You accused amigo falsely.

Truth.

False He accuses me falsely...and I warn him with brotherly correction. Read the actual posts...without your heart on your sleeve.

What me wonder, did you ever recover from your (as you mentioned so many times) 2.5 year living sinlessly ?

Do you consider yourself saved or lost ?

If the latter is true it would it would explain a lot.

You are so far out of your depth here.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sure have at it... :)


They crucified Jesus.....they stopped listening to Him. When Peter tried stopping Jesus from risking His life He said...Get behind me satan.


Getting members upset??? They need to wail and cry out for their very lives.


What kind of flowers do you like?

The problem is in the judgment on the church whereby most will have to spend an eternity in outer darkness. Then people will say why didn't God warn them?

You know the bible well...inside out I'd say.
What do you think about this?

Both Paul and Jesus said that persons will be judged by their works/deeds. (some can't stand that word WORKS).

Paul said that some will be judged by their conscience because they never heard of Jesus. (even though He saved everyone that will be saved even those that don't know His name)

We will be judged by what we know. God does seem to be a logical and merciful God.

So,,,answer this:
Do you think Jesus saves us
or do you think our doctrine saves us?

 

[amigo de christo]

The zeal for the Lord = emotion.

Speaking truth.



You accused amigo falsely.

Truth.



What me wonder, did you ever recover from your (as you mentioned so many times) 2.5 year living sinlessly ?

Do you consider yourself saved or lost ?

If the latter is true it would it would explain a lot.

If you examine epi you will find the core root of his problem .
HE like many will bring teachings JESUS did say
But will NOT IMPLY the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE IN HIM .
Thus it makes it all in vain .
In other words , it is like a man simply using the teachings of JESUS
to DENY BELEIF IN JESUS . That IS NOT OF GOD .
The number one message of the very gospel , IS THAT YE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS.
Not try and do JESUS teachings WITHOUT BELIEVING ON HIM .
That is epis problem . And i promise this is not of GOD .
HOW does Making void the dire need to believe what JESUS DID , iN ANY WAY HONOR THE SON .
AND the command by GOD was WE DO HONOR THE SON and that HE who honors NOT the SON
does NOT honor the father who sent him . THUS to NOT bELIEVE on what JESUS DID and WHO HE IS
MY friend that does not honor him , IT actually calls GOD a liar . that is a fact my friend .

 

[GodsGrace]

If you examine epi you will find the core root of his problem .
HE like many will bring teachings JESUS did say
But will NOT IMPLY the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE IN HIM .
Thus it makes it all in vain .
In other words , it is like a man simply using the teachings of JESUS
to DENY BELEIF IN JESUS . That IS NOT OF GOD .
The number one message of the very gospel , IS THAT YE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS.
Not try and do JESUS teachings WITHOUT BELIEVING ON HIM .
That is epis problem . And i promise this is not of GOD .
HOW does Making void the dire need to believe what JESUS DID , iN ANY WAY HONOR THE SON .
AND the command by GOD was WE DO HONOR THE SON and that HE who honors NOT the SON
does NOT honor the father who sent him . THUS to NOT bELIEVE on what JESUS DID and WHO HE IS
MY friend that does not honor him , IT actually calls GOD a liar . that is a fact my friend .

I don't know Epi enough Amigo.
I have tried to understand him but to no avail....and I'm pretty good at understanding persons.
So, it makes me lose interest.
I'd rather speak to those on these threads that believe we do not really need to obey God or that God chose who will be saved and who will be lost, or that works are not what God wants even though that's all Jesus spoke of for 3 years.
Ah...
There's too much to get into here.

Let me make this abundantly clear however:

1. It is imperative that we understand that JESUS IS THE CHIRST.

2. It is imperative that we follow His teachings.


It's really that easy for me.

 

[Episkopos]

You know the bible well...inside out I'd say.
What do you think about this?

Both Paul and Jesus said that persons will be judged by their works/deeds. (some can't stand that word WORKS).

Paul said that some will be judged by their conscience because they never heard of Jesus. (even though He saved everyone that will be saved even those that don't know His name)

We will be judged by what we know. God does seem to be a logical and merciful God.

On this we agree...betachlit fully.

So,,,answer this:
Do you think Jesus saves us

Who is the "us" and what do you mean by save? You already answered this in your statement above which was shoufra...fine.

or do you think our doctrine saves us?

By doctrine do you mean what we do based on what we think is right? Yes. Or by our beliefs that we think makes us special and forgiven? no.

 

[Episkopos]

I don't know Epi enough Amigo.
I have tried to understand him but to no avail....and I'm pretty good at understanding persons.
So, it makes me lose interest.
I'd rather speak to those on these threads that believe we do not really need to obey God or that God chose who will be saved and who will be lost, or that works are not what God wants even though that's all Jesus spoke of for 3 years.
Ah...
There's too much to get into here.

Let me make this abundantly clear however:

1. It is imperative that we understand that JESUS IS THE CHIRST.

2. It is imperative that we follow His teachings.


It's really that easy for me.

There...Amigo is against these things because you didn't say Simon says first...or believe on Jesus first. So you are wrong in his eyes on a technicality. Not enough lip service to be exclusive enough to condemn the righteous enough.

So you didn't appease his condemnation of me based on your emotion...because he wins, like the devil wins, based on your emotions.

Good on you to remain honest and not follow those evil feelings.

I think Amigo lost another vote against the cross.

 

[amigo de christo]

You know the bible well...inside out I'd say.
What do you think about this?

Both Paul and Jesus said that persons will be judged by their works/deeds. (some can't stand that word WORKS).

Paul said that some will be judged by their conscience because they never heard of Jesus. (even though He saved everyone that will be saved even those that don't know His name)

We will be judged by what we know. God does seem to be a logical and merciful God.

So,,,answer this:
Do you think Jesus saves us
or do you think our doctrine saves us?

Yes but how WELL does HE really know the bible .
IT would not matter if i had the whole bible memorized , if i twisted the doctrines to fit a lie .
You do realize even the devil can quoate scripture . Better than any man i suppose .
But it dont mean he gonna bring the TRUTH but rather will twist things to imply a lie .
So i am a huge advocate for learning the bible . lets get that clear .
But when a man uses it in a way that not only will not preach the dire need to beleive on JESUS to the lost
but also considers the one who does preach the reminder to BELEIVE ON JESUS , religous extremism
WELL then i ask you again how WELL does HE know , THE GOD WHO INSPIRED the bible .
cause many can quoate , as even a parrot can quoate what it hears .
But it dont mean the parrot or they UNDERSTAND what they say . We do have a problem my friend .
A SERIOUS ONE . When the dire necessity to preach to the lost the dire need to first repent and believe on JESUS
is omi tted and even called religous extremism , WELL guess who just got called
a religious extremists . A HINT , NOT JUST THE PERSON who brought his gospel , BUT JESUS HIMSELF
would have been called one by such a people . THEY ALL preached THE DIRE NEED to BELIEVE on HIM
and epi calls that religous extremisim . Says we need to learn of him about the gospel .
NO sir and no mams . IF that is epis gospel , I DARN SURE DO NOT NEED TO BELEIVE IT nor does any .
WE shall make our stand my friend . UPON THE SOLID STONE of our foundation
upon Christ and the apostels doctrine , gospel . not on what men sell us as a g ospel that actuallly denies THE VERY
gospel that JESUS and the apostels would preach . WE MAKE OUR LAST HOUR STAND NOW .
KEEPING ALL HOPE , ALL confidence IN JESUS CHRIST and not in men who speak contrary .

 

[ProDeo]

You are so far out of your depth here.

I am trying to understand you, sort of last try before I give up on you.

Do you consider yourself on your way to outer darkness ?

It's an honest question.

 

[Episkopos]

I am trying to understand you, sort of last try before I give up on you.

Do you consider yourself on your way to outer darkness ?

It's an honest question.

I doubt your honesty..You flip flop like a flounder on the beach....so wishy washy.


But


I have sought the Lord and He has responded. No, I have prayed that He not send me into outer darkness. Go to my thread on the Book of Remembrance... God is merciful.

I am not worthy to be a saint. But God has always visited me with great comfort even in my failure to reach the standard that is in holiness. What I have received from the Lord will save many from the rejection that awaits those who refuse to turn from their vain and twisted religion that denies Christ and the power of the cross.

I can't speak beyond that as there is an intimacy to God that is meant only for the one in relationship. But God is faithful and I have been comforted.

 

[amigo de christo]

There...Amigo is against these things because you didn't say Simon says first...or believe on Jesus first. So you are wrong in his eyes on a technicality. Not enough lip service to be exclusive enough to condemn the righteous enough.

So you didn't appease his condemnation of me based on your emotion...because he wins, like the devil wins, based on your emotions.

Good on you to remain honest and not follow those evil feelings.

I think Amigo lost another vote against the cross.

sorry epi . I aint the one preaching against the cross .
ITS you preaching against the very gospel of THE ONE WHO WAS Crucified on the cross .
And you aint foolin me epi .
You just up to your usual of twisting things in order to get a following .
No man who makes void the dire necessity to have to believe on JESUS
and then even comes after one who does so to an athieist and calls it religous extremism
is a man i am gonna ever heed .
YOU DO realize you could put this all to a stop right now .
BY SIMPLY SAYING THESE NEXT WORDS .
Hey church its DIRE NECESSARY WE DO BELIEVE ON JESUS and that we FOLLOW HIM and not just be lip service .
GO ON EPI .
hey i tell ya what . You can also go ahead and say
I , as in EPI , believe that muslims and all false religoins must repent and confess JESUS chRIST is LORD
is the SON of GOD that he did die for our sins and the he did rise again .
GO AHEAD epi . let us hear that . and while your at it , go ahead and remind that poor athiest
of HIS dire need to repent and bleieve on JESUS . Go on epi . LETS SEE IT .
And dont duck it with the cliam YOU bELIEVE . YOU say THEY MUST ALSO bELIEVE . go on epi .

 

[Episkopos]

sorry epi . I aint the one preaching against the cross .
ITS you preaching against the very gospel of THE ONE WHO WAS Crucified on the cross .
And you aint foolin me epi .
You just up to your usual of twisting things in order to get a following .
No man who makes void the dire necessity to have to believe on JESUS
and then even comes after one who does so to an athieist and calls it religous extremism
is a man i am gonna ever heed .
YOU DO realize you could put this all to a stop right now .
BY SIMPLY SAYING THESE NEXT WORDS .
Hey church its DIRE NECESSARY WE DO BELIEVE ON JESUS and that we FOLLOW HIM and not just be lip service .
GO ON EPI .
hey i tell ya what . You can also go ahead and say
I , as in EPI , believe that muslims and all false religoins must repent and confess JESUS chRIST is LORD
is the SON of GOD that he did die for our sins and the he did rise again .
GO AHEAD epi . let us hear that . and while your at it , go ahead and remind that poor athiest
of HIS dire need to repent and bleieve on JESUS . Go on epi . LETS SEE IT .
And dont duck it with the cliam YOU bELIEVE . YOU say THEY MUST ALSO bELIEVE . go on epi .

Just more dog and pony show from you. Now I'm waiting for the dog to show up and post more out of context verses. It's a real farce. But since people live in a circus atmosphere of fake reality...everything seems normal.

 

[shepherdsword]

Getting members upset??? They need to wail and cry out for their very lives.

I do for mine daily. Deception is so rampant...who am to believe I am not as well? We all see through a glass, darkly. I just pray it's not so bad that outer darkness awaits us. I believe and obey Jesus and try to maintain a humble attitude. Difficult to do since pride seems to pervade me everywhere. I sentence myself to death. The death of the cross, and hope for resurrection power.

 

[Episkopos]

I do for mine daily. Deception is so rampant...who am to believe I am not as well? We all see through a glass, darkly. I just pray it's not so bad that outer darkness awaits us. I believe and obey Jesus and try to maintain a humble attitude. Difficult to do since pride seems to pervade me everywhere. I sentence myself to death. The death of the cross, and hope for resurrection power.

Amen brother. Have you listened to "The Book of Remembrance". It could be a comfort for you. God is merciful...and doesn't forget the service we provide for His own.

On another post you said you didn't agree with me on salvation issues. I was wondering which issue? The 4 eternal destinies? The dual nature of God's judgment (mercy and truth)?

Just wondering if that might help you to find a deeper peace,