Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[1stCenturyLady]

1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

This verse was never meant to be used over and over as a "get out of hell card." It is how to become a Christian ONCE. It is the same as Repent....and you shall be given the gift of the Holy Spirit, Acts. 2:38.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There is so much more than forgiveness, He cleanses us from all unrighteousness. That's why He came, so we could have a relationship with Him and His HOLY FATHER. AND, AMEN, IN HIM IS NO SIN!!

Amen, sister.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Why did God provide a city of refuge for Cain? I think it is possible even for a believer to commit murder, unpremeditated....and it can be forgiven. Same for adultery, I think it's possible for a believer to succumb in a weak moment of temptation and be sorry for it afterwards. The only sin that can't be forgiven according to Jesus, is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is the reason we are not to waste our time praying for someone concerning that. All other sins can be forgiven and that is why we are to pray for someone who sins other sins if we know of or see a brother or sister commit any of them.

When Cain sinned, there was no law against what he had done to judge Him by. So he lived, and God put a mark on him so no one would kill him. That mark became a "law" to the people.

There is a difference between murder and killing. It is okay to kill as in war, or in self-defense or to save someone else. Those are not sins. When I committed adultery I became a slave to it, even though I was 30 years old and had gone to church my whole life. It was a sobering surprise to realize AFTER I became born again of the Spirit, that I had never been saved until God took away my DESIRE to commit lawlessness from my sin nature, leaving me with a clean nature. John 15:3. I don't know why you think you could even want to commit lawless sin once all desire to do so has been taken from your nature. You would have to have your sin nature still. That would mean that person is not born again.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Remember Uzza?? He died because he touched something (the ark) holy. He had good intentions, he wanted to steady the ark because the oxen stumbled, but he died (1 Chron. 13:9-13). David was displeased and afraid of God that day (the importance of having the fear of the Lord??). @ProDeo @Judge Hardcastle

There is no fear of punishment when you are like Jesus in this world. There's no reason to be afraid of punishment for sin you are not committing. You folks who think you do not sin should be totally on board with this and defending John's words. Why are you afraid of the punishment for sin that you say you don't commit, and can't commit????? You are literally saying, "be afraid of the consequences of sin that you can't commit."

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

It's not forgiveness, it's actually freedom/deliverance/liberty and NOT from the "penalty of sin" but FROM SIN (that which holds us captive).

Redemption through Christ means both.

Why do you add the word "penalty"? Are you a sports fan? Are you making a game of this?

The penalty for your past sin did not just go away. You who have the knowledge of the law, and Jesus, your sin must be atoned for through blood sacrifice. God said so, not me.

 

[Episkopos]

Do you ever do something against your conscience? I always obey my conscience and stay in peace. That is walking in the Spirit.

I call this walking WITH the Spirit, in cooperation, led by, by inspiration of the Spirit.. .walking IN the Spirit is in holiness where the presence of God is full.

 

[Laurina]

There is no fear of punishment when you are like Jesus in this world.

"WHEN" being the catch word.

Until then.....

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

I don't know why you think you could even want to commit lawless sin once all desire to do so has been taken from your nature. You would have to have your sin nature still. That would mean that person is not born again.

Jesus was tempted just as we are. Does that mean he was not born again?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

"WHEN" being the catch word.

Until then.....

Okay, then your argument about being fearful doesn't have any basis. You have been saying we need to be fearful. Now you're saying we need to be fearful if/when we sin. And, funny enough, when we commit the sin that some say genuinely born again people can't do! Wow! What a mess.