I wouldn't be so quick to judge Peter. That requires some unwarranted self exaltation. If the result of the lot was from the Lord then there can't be any arguement.
Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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If Peter had made a mistake there, Paul would have had no problem correcting it later when he came along. But he didn't. Instead we see clearly that he accepted and acknowledged the new Apostle as marks shared that scripture. Have a hunch there are reasons in the Lord why the new Apostle had to be chosen before the Holy Spirit was poured out....maybe to seal him in the apostleship together with the others with the firstfruits of the Spirit....they were to rule over the twelve tribes of the Israel of God together as judges....or reasons like that.
And just to say in general, anyone can be in error, make a mistake here and there........if it gets corrected in good time then all is well. The problem is when mistakes/errors etc are not corrected and remain. That is when the rot begins to set in from it....that leaven begins to rise and overtake the lump. It is over time that even a small veering off and error in direction widens into being completely off course.
Well, to my understanding all the 12 apostles had a "bishoprick" (what I glean from Acts 1:20)...that was their spiritual gift. It was to be in the simplicity of Christ, not quite such a formal designation as in the way of the world set in concrete and institutionalized instead of being in spirit.
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As I have previously stated, a man can be more than one thing at the same time. But God can't perfect what isn't there. Peter was the most brash disciple but also the most sensitive to the Spirit. He loved and followed the Lord more than the others did. His zeal for Jesus was greater than the others. As such he saw things before the others.
Like when the Lord showed Peter that the Gentiles were not to be seen as unclean in and of themselves...that in every nation those who feared Him and did righteousness were already accepted of Him. Peter was shown that before the others.
Actually it was a formal designation.
Eventually the Apostles settled down...
James became the Bishop of Jerusalem and Peter became the Bishop of Rome.
There were 5 main areas for the new Christian religion:
JERUSALEM
ROME
ALEXANDRIA
ANTIOCH
CONSTANTINOPLE
Each area had a Bishop that was in charge of that area.
They were known as popes....the bridge between man and God. (Pontefice)
Eventually, in the 600's the office was given to the Bishop of Rome
because it's the office that Peter held. To this day the Bishop of Rome is the Pope.
The term papa means dad and was used affectinately for all 5 of the Bishops/popes.
But the official title was Bishop.
Bishop means an overseer and is found in Acts 20:28
The Greek word for overseer is episkopos
All I know sister, is that institutionalization of the faith was not God's intention....it is the tendency of man/flesh.
2Co 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Matt 23:6-12
And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters (teachers/instructors) : for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Not going to post any scripture.
But why do you think Paul was teaching Timothy?
So it could all get lost in time?
Why were letters written to believers?
Do you think google could exist if there wasn't a bldg somewhere with the words GOOGLE on it?
Institutionalisation had to happen.
But I agree that man messes up everything he gets his hands into.
There are two churches...one is made of stone and concrete and wood.
Without this church Christianity would have died out many years ago.
Then there is another church, the Body of Christ.
This body needed a church so that it could meet, teach, share communion, for edification and fellowship.
The first Christians met in homes.
This became impossible very soon when Christianity grew very rapidly.
amigo de christo
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Bingo . An d i can prove he was not the type of bishop the catholics try and claim
he was . As though he was one of their popes .
What have you seen them popes , who under guise they sit in apostolic traditoin
do and say .
WHY i see lots of long robes , lots of praise from men , lots of kneeling to them and calling them most holy father .
And what did peter say to a man who tried to kneel before him , named cornelious .
And what did peter and john say to the peoples who ran up to them as though they were the great thing .
CEASE and DISSIST . we are but men .
I didnt see peter tellig john , HOLD up let me get my gowns and ring on so they can kneel before me and KISS IT
and cALL ME MOST H OLY REVERAND , MOST HOLY FATHER .
Nor did i see it in peter when he entered into the house of cornelious .
DID YOU . Peter didnt tell cornelious , HEY man wait till i am seated in a chair and then kiss my ring
and CALL ME MOST HOLY FATHER .
No mam , I SEEN peter rather say THIS , gET UP , i am but a man . BINGO .
WHAT DID JESUS tell peter ande them .
TO BEWARE OF MEN who go about in long robes and love FLATTERING TITLES .............
I darn sure know the RCC didnt get that memo .
Marvelloustime
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Marvelloustime
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Did you read my post Amigo?
Peter was a very good Bishop.
The others went to him for advice when there was a problem in their area.
This is history.
It is easily available on the internet these days and can be found by anyone on this forum.
History is history and cannot be changed.
We should all learn some of it before we post facts that are not incongruent with reality.
This has NOTHING to do with the CC.
At least I've saved epi from being the target for the haters. Its now turned to me.
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amigo de christo
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I was merely warning against them popes of the RCC .
Yes i know that even paul and others went up to Jerusalem to seek council from the apostels
for things . As far as history we easily could have learned what is written in the bible for all examples .
There is part of a movement and its attached to what They all hist ory of the early church fathers .
Its a trick to get them to return to catholicism . There is a unity move
and it can say certain truths , even claiming its to bring us back to the original .
Only it aint bringing us back to the original .
They can say very similiar things to what i even say .
But you will notice a key difference in them .
I point ONLY to the doctrine left to us in that bible and exhort all to read it for themselves .
They will point to other things and not encourage folks to read for their own
but at most to sit under a scholar and etc . Sister that is b ad news .
Because that is HOW they deceive them .
Did you know that the more one reads the bible daily
the more that mind is formed rock solid on JESUS .
Even now when i read it , it still refreshes me .
The more you read it the more you are gonna see the difference in Both Christ and later the apostels
approach to sin and etc
Verses todays more sensual approach . That is a fact my dear sister .
amigo de christo
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well that is depressing . Been far far better had you been rebuked , or as you try and say persecuted ,
for defending the one true gopsel and not the gospel of epi .
Its very true that the true sheep will b e persecuted in this life and in this world .
But b eing rebuked and corrected for errors , DONT count my friend .
You are far too concerned with everyone just getting along .
And while , sure it would be great if we did , WE cannot do so at the expense
of the Truth of the gospel .
All sin , all error , and a false gospel , MUST be corrected and asap .
Because once leaven enters in and is allowed
to remain , under the guise lets just get along , OH ITS Taking that house down to the ground .
amigo de christo
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purge out the leaven . remove it .
This is why when folks sat under seeker f riendly judge not love
THEIR Houses WENT DOWN . as more and more leaven entered in , under the judge not lets just get along ,
It swelled them up . And now even a false gospel is not only allowed to remain
but is being b ought and b eleived by more and by more every day and every hour .
Cause every time one rebukes one , its the OH I LOVE you and them attitude and that we just need to get along .
This generation , IS NOT gonna make it .
Time for the grave men to make their stand and to contend for the one true faith .
To correct any and all error seen and to do so quickly in hopes some will repent .
amigo de christo
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there is only ONE church . and its NOT made of stone , concrete and wood .
Though this church can gather in such buildings . And oh no no dear sister .
Even if their had never been buildings made of stone wood and concrete
This church would have continued . And soon it will .
WHen even it cannot gather in houses , buildings , homes , or even on the streets .
BECAUSE GREAT TRIUBATION strikes it and by m eans of a powehouse known as AI digital system
There will b e no buying and selling for the sheep . Only cast out as haters of humanity , as even being called
haters of God and of love and of peace . As religoius extremists for simply not b ending the knee
to a harlot and her love and her all inclusive god who was and is satan and his beast unto whom this kingdom was given .
amigo de christo
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Well if you ever see me call one who preaches the dire need to beleive on JESUS to an atheist , A RELIOUS extremist
DO feel free to NOT gather with me but rather get all you can to rebuke me .
IF you ever see me going around and absolutely refusing to remind them of the dire need to bleive on JESUS ,
and then when one reminds me of the dire need to beleive on him i call that RELIGOUS dogma
DO get on those feet and get as many as you can to rebuke me .
NOW if i dont hear that rebuke , SHAKE the dust off your feet and absolutey DO NOT KEEP company with me ,
CAUSE ITS MEANS I be following a false gospel and would simply be doing the work of an anti christ .
You are way too busy trying to have us all get along
TO realize , WE ALREADY HAVE such a man like that man amongst us
And he has already been doing just that . B UT YOU want us all to get along with such a man.
MAY i die ten thousand of the most henious deaths , LONG before I DO THAT sister . LONG before i do that .
The man will be exposed on my watch every day TILL HE REPENTS of a false incluisvie gospel .
One day , You might very well thank me for doing this . OR maybe not . But someone has to do something .
They allowed so much leaven into the churches by means of a sensual love of judge not correct not ,
IT done filled them houses up and has made them all ready to embrace
a false gospel . WELL NOT ON MY WATCH SISTER . Not on my watch . I WILL die before i allow it
and refuse to warn against it . JESUS GETS THE GLORY on my watch sister
and not anti christ or an ecumeincal harlots love .
The reproaches that were meant for me have fallen on you. Where did I read that sort of thing???
amigo de christo
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yeah . okay . that was not meant for those who preach another gospel epi .The reproaches that were meant for me have fallen on you. Where did I read that sort of thing???
Nor for those who support those who do so .
Nothing but nothing changes the truth of those scriptures I posted. It is a matter of having either the mind of Christ (spiritual) on this matter or the mind of man. It's the difference between flesh and spirit. One leads in a wrong direction and the other leads to life.....we need to have our minds renewed to see (from scripture - because it is there to see) how the Lord intended the church to be.
Now I know things began a gradual slide downhill after the original Apostles died (as Paul said would happen, and even Jesus knew He was sending us out as sheep among wolves), but that does not mean we shouldn't seek to understand and endeavour (through the Spirit) to align ourselves with the plumbline of truth.
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