Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[1stCenturyLady]

When you do not walk according to the fruit of the Spirit you are lawless.

So why do you not walk in the Spirit instead of answering posts with all your ad hominems. I know you are new to this site, but it is a good place to grow in the fruit of the Spirit. I've been here for years, and my first posts are nothing like what I write now.

There is a process, but it is only of the fruit of the Spirit. Immature fruit causes sins not unto death, not lawlessness. You may think you know it all, but you should be open to listen to the Spirit through those of us who are filled with His Spirit. I'm not the only one. You don't even recognize Jesus in me; you say it is another Jesus. Then why have I received positive answers to 100% of my prayers for the last 50 years, when I never received even one answer to prayer for the first 30 years of going to the wrong church. Are 100% of your prayers answered? And, "no" is not the answer God gives to those who know His will.

21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

Confidence toward God is walking sinless. If you love Jesus, your sins should be pricking your conscience so you don't commit them.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@Judge Hardcastle

Talk to you later, I'm leaving my office for a while.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

The bible says that Zachariah and Elizabeth were both righteous before God.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


So was their righteousness a HUMAN righteousness, or a DIVINE righteousness?

Considering who they were - both.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

So why do you not walk in the Spirit instead of answering posts with all your ad hominems

I walk by the Spirit.
No ad hominems here. I just go by what you say.
Stop being so defensive. You're seeing offense where none is given.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Immature fruit causes sins not unto death, not lawlessness.

When you don't walk according to the fruit of the Spirit you are lawless:

Galatians 5:22
22the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

There is a law against not walking according to the fruit of the Spirit. Your theology fails in the light of this verse. There is no difference between sin that is lawless and sin that is not lawless. ALL sin is lawlessness. Even the sin of not walking according to the fruit of the Spirit. But that's what John said anyway - sin is lawlessness:

1 John 3:4
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c

The premise for your argument about sinlessness, that there are two kinds of sin by which to be considered sinless, is wrong. You're either sinning, or you're not sinning. But thanks be to God that the sins that used to be unto death are no longer sins unto death because the far superior ministry and sacrifice of Jesus can and does forgive them in this New Covenant. Acts 13:38-39 plainly says so.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

You may think you know it all, but you should be open to listen to the Spirit through those of us who are filled with His Spirit.

NEVER listen to any spirit that tells you something that is contrary to what the Bible says. Spiritual revelation should come in conjunction with the 'hearing' (reading) of God's word, not from mystical experiences. Especially at this time in church history in which mystical experiences are embraced over and above the word of God in the Bible. What you're going to get by seeking God in a mystical experience apart from the Bible is what you want to hear. And God will indeed let you hear it.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

...you should be open to listen to the Spirit through those of us who are filled with His Spirit.

Oh, and by the way. Whether or not you are filled with the Spirit is known by how you behave, not by the mystical experiences you have. Don't tell me you are filled with the Spirit, show me you are filled with the Spirit by how you behave.

I will not listen to anything you say that is refuted by the written word, no matter how mystical the experience was that you heard it in. I simply won't. There are lots of people that will. That's how cults are started. But I will not.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

You don't even recognize Jesus in me; you say it is another Jesus.

I know you promote another Jesus because you reject the forgiveness of sin through faith in his blood. Your Jesus came to destroy the law of priesthood and sacrifice for your sin. My Jesus came to fulfill it.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I walk by the Spirit.
No ad hominems here. I just go by what you say.
Stop being so defensive. You're seeing offense where none is given.

"Believing in a different Jesus" is an ad hominem. Be humble and receive correction where needed. After all, you don't claim to be sinless, so you NEED to have your sins highlighted so you can apologize. Just the same, I forgive you.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Then why have I received positive answers to 100% of my prayers for the last 50 years, when I never received even one answer to prayer for the first 30 years of going to the wrong church.

Do you think that only born again believers have miraculous things happen in their lives? Wait till the false signs and miracles gets here. You'll see there's no truth in believing that only genuinely saved/born again people have miraculous spiritual lives. Miraculous powers are not by themselves proof that God is speaking through you or operating on your behalf. Miraculous powers also accompany false teachers.

I'm not discounting the possibility that you are indeed saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit, but you definitely do not promote the Jesus of the Bible. I realize that you could be doing that out of a simple lack of knowledge, not because you are not born again. So I'm not going to pass judgment on whether or not the real Jesus is in you. But I will pass judgment on the Jesus you endorse. You simply don't have an accurate understanding of Christ. But I will be honest and say that your failure to embrace the continual forgiveness of God through the completed but ongoing intercessory ministry and sacrifice of Jesus in the tabernacle in heaven is a bad sign about whether or not you are saved/born again. But like I say, I'm not passing judgement on that. I don't know you personally to be able to pass that judgment.

Are 100% of your prayers answered?

No, I ask amiss sometimes.
Remember, I'm not the one claiming to be sinless or perfect in knowledge here.

And, "no" is not the answer God gives to those who know His will.

Not knowing his will is not the only reason God does not answer prayer. I'd have to refresh my memory to recall them, but there are at least nine conditions for answered prayer. It's been a while since I visited the subject. I shared them in a forum once and a Pentecostal pastor didn't think it was true. I could say a lot about the Charismatic movement (I started out in it), but let's save that for another thread.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

"Believing in a different Jesus" is an ad hominem.

No it's not. I'm simply going by what you say. Comparing who and what you say Jesus is to what the Bible says is not an ad hominem attack on you.

Stop being immature and taking things personally when they are not personal. I'm not attacking YOU. I'm attacking your doctrine. Just as you are mine. I'm not taking it personally, and neither should you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

When you don't walk according to the fruit of the Spirit you are lawless:

Galatians 5:22
22the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

There is a law against not walking according to the fruit of the Spirit. Your theology fails in the light of this verse. There is no difference between sin that is lawless and sin that is not lawless. ALL sin is lawlessness. Even the sin of not walking according to the fruit of the Spirit. But that's what John said anyway - sin is lawlessness:

1 John 3:4
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c

The premise for your argument about sinlessness, that there are two kinds of sin by which to be considered sinless, is wrong. You're either sinning, or you're not sinning. But thanks be to God that the sins that used to be unto death are no longer sins unto death because the far superior ministry and sacrifice of Jesus can and does forgive them in this New Covenant. Acts 13:38-39 plainly says so.

I already told you that 1 John 3 is ONLY about lawlessness. Those are sins unto death, NOT sins not unto death. Lawlessness is against the commandments of God, verse 24, and would be committed willfully.

Sins not unto death that comes from failure to meet 2 Peter 1:5-7 is a long process as Jesus matures the fruit of the Spirit in us as we continuously abide in Him. Those that do not continue to abide in Him and fail to grow in the process of maturing each fruit of the Spirit and godliness are CUT OFF, John 15:1-4. 1 John 3 is not a process, but instant. And only about the first of the two types of sin, lawlessness. Open your mind to the difference and grow in knowledge.

 

[Lizbeth]

Which of the verses I gave do you think presents that?

I was asking for clarification because your post left me with a shocking impression that you believe "right living" matters more than the sacrifice of Christ.

It is only because of His sacrifice that we are now able to offer spiritual sacrifices to Him, in the form of righteousness and obedience etc. He had to die and ascend to heaven in order for HIS Spirit to be given to us, which makes us into a new creature/new man.

 

[Lizbeth]

This is the bait and switch that every dishonest pretender pulls when they have painted themselves into a corner.

Christ is not involved in the name and claim game. It's ALL human speculation.

No idea what you are talking about, with respect to my post.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

But I will be honest and say that your failure to embrace the continual forgiveness of God through the completed but ongoing intercessory ministry and sacrifice of Jesus in the tabernacle in heaven is a bad sign about whether or not you are saved/born again. But like I say, I'm not passing judgement on that. I don't know you personally to be able to pass that judgment.

You have made posts that imply continual forgiveness of willful sins unto death - lawlessness. You seem to be ignorant of the fact that not all sin is lawlessness. Take, for instance, your ad hominems. Those are not lawlessness, but immature fruit of the Spirit - sins not unto death.

No, I ask amiss sometimes.
Remember, I'm not the one claiming to be sinless or perfect in knowledge here.

You may not be listening. Or are unable to hear God's voice in the first place. It is a gift of the Spirit and not given to everyone. I have it in abundance.

Not knowing his will is not the only reason God does not answer prayer. I'd have to refresh my memory to recall them, but there are at least nine conditions for answered prayer. It's been a while since I visited the subject. I shared them in a forum once and a Pentecostal pastor didn't think it was true. I could say a lot about the Charismatic movement (I started out in it), but let's save that for another thread.

There are certainly Laodicean Charismatic sects in Pentecostalism, who are not content in their station in this life and believe in prosperity in monetary wealth, not holiness. They don't seem to know you can't take it with you. I focus on holiness that you CAN take with you.

No it's not. I'm simply going by what you say. Comparing who and what you say Jesus is to what the Bible says is not an ad hominem attack on you.

It is an attack, plain and simple. Repent.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It is only because of His sacrifice that we are now able to offer spiritual sacrifices to Him, in the form of righteousness and obedience etc. He had to die and ascend to heaven in order for HIS Spirit to be given to us, which makes us into a new creature/new man.

I agree.

 

[ProDeo]

He skipped right over your Isaiah 53 passages, too.

Epi preaches -- and I quote him literally -- full victory over sin.

Giving the impression he does not need forgiveness.

Hopefully he will clarify.