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Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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God is the creator and Maker.
All Scripture is True.
Not All Scripture applies to all men.
I have never implied that.
I said the sins of born again believers growing up into the image of Christ are covered by the continual intercessory ministry of Christ's sacrifice that they believe and trust in for the forgiveness of sin.
People who sin willfully are unbelievers. There is no intercessory ministry of forgiveness available for them. They don't believe in it that God should somehow be obligated to make it available to them. Even Reformed doctrine teaches this!
Reformed doctrine does not teach that you can sin willingly all you want and it is forgiven. You have been leveling a false argument against Reformed doctrine. Google it and check it out for yourself. No, don't consult 'voices'. Just Google the facts. That's all you have to do.
Remember your license to sin post?
"Why would you not want the ongoing guaranteed forgiveness and immunity from prosecution for sin that God has made available to you through the never-ending intercessory ministry of High Priest Jesus?
Show me where I said that's about being able to purposely and willingly sin in defiance.
Since you brought it up, what is your problem with Jesus being there to forgive the sin that you commit?
My Jesus is more powerful than turning a blind eye on sin. That helps no one. My Jesus takes sin out of my nature and writes his laws on my heart so they are part of me and all my decisions are in line with God's will. He created man perfect. And He has provided the way to bring back that perfection. Not by our works from a sin nature. But righteousness from a nature that may partake of the divine nature of God. He provides the way for us to be as sinless as He was all His life.
You assume you are a sinner. Well, you are in league with the devil on that point. Proverbs 23:7 "For as a man thinks in his heart, so is he." Paul told us how Jesus kills the sin nature, and resurrects it righteous and free from lawless sin. (We know that it is lawless sin and not immature fruit because the conclusion of Romans 6 is "the wages of sin is death.") Paul also said "For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord, lest sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts." You refuse to do that and that is why you continue to sin, and make up false doctrines to continue in sin WITH IMMUNITY. There is not one verse that says that Jesus frees us from the guilt as we sin.
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Are you saying that if you are growing up into the image and stature of Christ that is turning a blind eye to sin?
Are you're saying that you resist the teaching in the Bible about Christ's ongoing intercessory ministry for the believer because you don't need it, because you're perfect?
Hebrews 7:25
25Therefore He is able to save completelyd those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them.
Romans 8:34
34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
1 John 3:4 - Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
The Bible never calls any sins “immature fruit of the Spirit”.
Bragging about how you have a gift of the Spirit in abundance, does not sound like the humbleness that is characteristic of a believer walking in the Spirit.
You sin. I don't. You are the one who claims Jesus takes away the punishment and guilt from the sins you commit. No where in the Bible does it even come close to saying such a fallacy.
What I have in abundance is the gift of the Spirit of being able to hear God's voice. That is why for 50 years, 100 % of my prayers are granted. He tells me His will to pray; I pray and it is answered immediately. It is supernatural, because He is Spirit. He also tells me the true meaning of His Word.
Read 2 Peter 1:5-7. Some of those are fruits of the Spirit. Others are becoming more and more righteous until actually holy and "never stumble." That is verses 10-11.
Claiming that you don’t sin is a contradiction of scripture.
Only Jesus lived without sinning.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
But you continue to sin, too, when you don't walk according to the fruit of the Spirit.
Why do you get to sin with immunity, but I don't?
Is it because I don't have lofty mystical experiences like you do?
Jesus said answered prayer depends upon believing, not upon “hearing God’s voice.”
You claim your prayers are always answered because of some mystical experience, which you pridefully boast about.
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
There are many people in the Church that are ignorant of John's meaning of 1 John 1: 6, 8 and 10. You may like being unrighteous, but verse 9 is how to become a Christian and ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS is cleansed. That is why John said, "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin.
Is is really a lie to agree with Jesus that He cleanses us from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS? Are you still a lawless sinner then? Is it a lie to agree with verse 9? John tells you the true meaning of 1 John 1:8 and 10 in 1 John 2:4 "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
Can you see it now, A? It is NOT saying you have no sin that is the lie. It is sinning and saying you haven't.
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